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AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

:siren: KAIWR-BYCP9-IQQMZ-THNJI-3Q3CG :siren:

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Manic Mongoose
Aug 5, 2010

AndyElusive posted:

:siren: KAIWR-BYCP9-IQQMZ-THNJI-3Q3CG :siren:

taken!

Thanks!

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
I guess there's still people without keys?

U689Q-5TWCY-MBC2E-EN8JH-WKZQT
WRWQX-KCYS8-J2I5I-3C8J2-VNPKK

HORSEPORN
Oct 7, 2008
Learning crow's makoto-esque resets into stun combined with his safe pressure game out of halo is really fun and really obnoxious in the lower to mid ranks. Didn't like most of the other characters but holy poo poo crow.

For the person asking about crow vs chel I can say it's the matchup I have the most trouble with. Charging halos to play the fireball game can work as long as you consistently eat her plasma shots with your first hit. From there it's normal zoning pressure and either getting in on the ground or jumping the bad fireball. You also have the advantage of several different jump arc changing abilities to aid you and you can use your cloaking field midair on a jumpin if you feel the dragon punch coming. Once you're in close and score a clean hit wallbounce>f.h xx j.h leads into multiple reset opportunities including but not limited to: dash up neutral jump m xx special move 2, jump d.h>s.h>wallbounce>f.h xx jump cancel. Etc.

HORSEPORN fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Aug 1, 2015

Savage For The Winjun
Jun 27, 2008


bebaloorpabopalo posted:



WRWQX-KCYS8-J2I5I-3C8J2-VNPKK

grabbed this one thanks

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

bebaloorpabopalo posted:

I guess there's still people without keys?

U689Q-5TWCY-MBC2E-EN8JH-WKZQT
WRWQX-KCYS8-J2I5I-3C8J2-VNPKK

Thanks for the code, man

The Gorp
Jan 7, 2013

My style is impetuous,
My defenses are impregnable
My arms are tired
The trick to Talos is just to never go in.
Chip the fat man to death.
I figured out grapplers in fightan vidja.

Draynar
Apr 22, 2008
Chel is kind of garbage once you trap her in corner as dauntless. crouching medium into sp1 and counter her jump out attempts with crouching H. She doesn't have any good tools to get out of a corner if you arnt being baited into eating the upper. Just use normals and watch them start to get desperate.

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
Her sweep is longer range than Dauntless normals and her f+M outranges everything and will go over dauntless cr.M. She can very easily fireball jump cancel or sweep xx fireball jump cancel or any other kind of thing to get out.

The Gorp
Jan 7, 2013

My style is impetuous,
My defenses are impregnable
My arms are tired
I feel like Crow and Edge are currently the best characters, but for stupid reasons.

Get rid of crows projectiles hitting on the way up and he can keep his crazy offence but not have a really solid defensive tool.
Get rid of Edge slide. gently caress Edge slide. It's safe on all but wiff for gods sake.

Fellblade
Apr 28, 2009

Pomp posted:

The grappler's SPD barely does any more damage than a basic throw :effort:

This isn't really a problem since you can kinetic advance and combo off it into more damage or b+M for another mix up.

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?
if you remove crows disks the character is garbage tier. it's his only anti air and it has so many holes like just dashing under it and grabbing him out of recovery. he already has zero ability to get out of pressure (you can jump his super on reaction and while his invisibility does give him some i-frames it only works on really slow moves that you have no reason to use on wakeup)

Draynar posted:

Chel is kind of garbage once you trap her in corner as dauntless. crouching medium into sp1 and counter her jump out attempts with crouching H. She doesn't have any good tools to get out of a corner if you arnt being baited into eating the upper. Just use normals and watch them start to get desperate.

all I have to do is just mash uppercut and hold up to jump cancel

either I get a combo and now you're in the corner, or I get a crossup -> lengthy blockstring and you're in the corner

Syrant
Jun 28, 2006
This post is brought to you by: Goat Bouillabaise.

First 9
Ugh, mark me down for the 'Doesn't enjoy fighting Chel' crowd.

Against Talos, for example, how would Dauntless handle that? Most any time I get in for a hit he just has a grab or a mighty boot ready to whip my rear end.

Code up for grabs: LLE65-OY7HR-ZIESU-6GYMM-JU10W

Syrant fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Aug 2, 2015

rednecked_crake
Mar 17, 2012

srsly who wants to play this lamer?

darealkooky posted:

I understand this game is an alpha but the only way I can rationalize chel and edge being so blatantly OP is that seth made them that way on purpose.

Their tools are way too obviously amazing for me to accept the devs just didn't realize it

Edge also shits over Chel because his slide ignores zoning and his A special absorbs projectiles (while charging his other moves up?). His super is also an easy punish for fireballs at what feels like 3/4 screen.

But it's still alpha so the obvious balance issues will be changed.

rednecked_crake fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Aug 1, 2015

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Syrant posted:

Code up for grabs: LLE65-OY7HR-ZIESU-6GYMM-JU10W

Grabbed this so I can get my face bashed in by robots after I get some sleep.

EDIT: I had some silly fun times with Evil Zone way back which was a game with One Button inputs and Alucard voiced a power ranger. Clearly this game will be as easy as simple as that PS1 game right? :downs:

Section Z fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Aug 1, 2015

Fellblade
Apr 28, 2009

Syrant posted:

Ugh, mark me down for the 'Doesn't enjoy fighting Chel' crowd.

Against Talos, for example, how would Dauntless handle that? Most any time I get in for a hit he just has a grab or a mighty boot ready to whip my rear end.

Code up for grabs: LLE65-OY7HR-ZIESU-6GYMM-JU10W

Well as Talos I still absolutely cannot deal with any Dauntless who, after a knockdown, cross me up and do some jabs then cross up d+H and repeat.

Just don't push any buttons except jab until you've confirmed works against me. I feel like I just have to wait for them to back off, which obviously they're not gonna do.

Edit: this is probably bad advice because I am a scrub

Uncle Kitchener
Nov 18, 2009

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The Gorp posted:

I picked up talos to try it out and forward heavy is basically his go to move.
You can only reasonably punish it if he uses it point blank more or less, and if you are expecting it (as it catches jumps) you have to standing block.

Talos is weird as a grappler because he doesn't have a movement biased move that he can cancel or put a throw on the end.
No burning Zangief hand, hammerfall or otherwise; his throw mix-up is "block my bonkers kick" or "block my wake-up meaty"
Something about it just feels wrong.

That's because he's more of a baby grab character than that guy from Breakers. Has he got any invincible moves like the rest of the cast.

inthesto
May 12, 2010

Pro is an amazing name!
As Vlad, I would much rather fight Chel than Crow. Just sayin'.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


I got my key from a friend today and think this game is fun as hell. It's cool being in a fighting game before everyone's figured out attack timing so supers are whiffing everywhere.

Feenix
Mar 14, 2003
Sorry, guy.
2 codes!

A7YJG-9HAQC-D4AYM-S0YC5-WNPVJ

EZ8KV-4C3GV-JSQ9T-AYXZA-J5SQI

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Cabbagepots posted:

The game only displays this for me. It's completely unresponsive. I don't know what the problem is.



This happens to me too.

Waterfall of Salt
May 14, 2013

Ow, my eye

Feenix posted:

A7YJG-9HAQC-D4AYM-S0YC5-WNPVJ

Nabbed that one, thanks

Kabuki Shipoopi
Jun 22, 2007

If I fall, you don't get the head, right? If you lose the head, you're fucked!

Feenix posted:

2 codes!

EZ8KV-4C3GV-JSQ9T-AYXZA-J5SQI

Grabbed this, thanks friend :respek:

Minorkos
Feb 20, 2010

Feenix posted:

2 codes!

A7YJG-9HAQC-D4AYM-S0YC5-WNPVJ

EZ8KV-4C3GV-JSQ9T-AYXZA-J5SQI


drat i'm too slow to pick up codes

if only someone could pm me one

edit: thank you

Minorkos fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 1, 2015

Mattavist
May 24, 2003

taken

Mattavist fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Aug 1, 2015

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
After playing some more and talking to some good players in streams I've revised my personal tier list.

S: Edge
A: Chel, Dauntless
B: Crow
C: Vlad, Talos

They're pretty close though. Some people think Dauntless is better than Chel, but I think Dauntless has a harder time against the other characters (especially Talos) and that the matchup itself is probably even. The only reason they're in the same tier is because Edge is in a tier of his own and separating them would spread it out too much.

Edge is silly, he just has absolutely every tool you'd want in this game save for a fireball, but he deals with them better than anybody else. He probably has the advantage in every matchup, with a large advantage over Crow and Talos.

Chel is super solid, probably only loses to Edge. Good zoning, amazing anti-air, ridiculous damage.

Dauntless has some really good buttons, decent rushdown, amazing corner carry and control, nasty resets and really good confirms into super from random hits. Her DP is way better than people think it is, and gives her ridiculous a corner carry combo or a side switch if you dash cancel it. Lots of ground mobility and tools to deal with fireball or go through pokes. Goes even with Chel and Talos, loses to Edge.

Crow is fisher price vortex char. He has an annoying fireball that's only good because of the limited options in the game, obnoxious buttons and a bunch of gimmicks. His setups are pretty much all reactable once you learn them. Very weak defense, very situational anti-airs, and no real reversal except super. His saving grace is his damage and stun potential and annoying multi-hitting buttons. Advantage over Vlad and Talos. Large disadvantage against Edge.

Vlad is whacky monkey cheese with flight gimmick that isn't actually hard to react to. All his stuff is unsafe and he runs out of flight meter ridiculously fast and it refills ridiculously slow, neutering his pressure. He has a couple of good buttons and can do decent damage, it's just not very often he'll land the hit. His DP is decent but probably the worst Real DP in the game, often trading and not giving him much if he dash cancels. Can use some flight gimmicks to bait DPs. Some people think he's really good but I never see anybody play him so I could be absolutely wrong! Probably disadvantage against everyone but not as badly as Talos. No idea about the Vlad-Talos matchup itself.

Talos is a grappler with no invincible or anti-fireball moves in a game with chars like Edge, Crow, and Chel. He does decent damage and has good reset potential, but with big risks associated with everything. Heavily reliant on Kinetic meter to do anything. Without super, crumbles to pressure. Armor kick is really easy to beat or bait out and super unsafe, though he gets a good reward if it lands. Goes even with Dauntless at best, just because of character archetypes. Loses to everyone else except maybe Vlad?

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"
I do not play this dumb game but apparently people really want codes so here are mine:

X35TE-IODRO-JP4K6-LIHTV-DF4FO
S4519-NW431-9S31M-UX6GC-MFB19

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

AnonSpore posted:


X35TE-IODRO-JP4K6-LIHTV-DF4FO


I grabbed this one. Thanks.

Mr. Mutton Chops
Apr 2, 2010

Mattavist posted:

NPN92-8HILU-AZYHQ-RAQO8-S5QN9

Grabbed this one, thanks.

Uncle Kitchener
Nov 18, 2009

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bebaloorpabopalo posted:

After playing some more and talking to some good players in streams I've revised my personal tier list.

S: Edge
A: Chel, Dauntless
B: Crow
C: Vlad, Talos

They're pretty close though. Some people think Dauntless is better than Chel, but I think Dauntless has a harder time against the other characters (especially Talos) and that the matchup itself is probably even. The only reason they're in the same tier is because Edge is in a tier of his own and separating them would spread it out too much.

Edge is silly, he just has absolutely every tool you'd want in this game save for a fireball, but he deals with them better than anybody else. He probably has the advantage in every matchup, with a large advantage over Crow and Talos.

Chel is super solid, probably only loses to Edge. Good zoning, amazing anti-air, ridiculous damage.

Dauntless has some really good buttons, decent rushdown, amazing corner carry and control, nasty resets and really good confirms into super from random hits. Her DP is way better than people think it is, and gives her ridiculous a corner carry combo or a side switch if you dash cancel it. Lots of ground mobility and tools to deal with fireball or go through pokes. Goes even with Chel and Talos, loses to Edge.

Crow is fisher price vortex char. He has an annoying fireball that's only good because of the limited options in the game, obnoxious buttons and a bunch of gimmicks. His setups are pretty much all reactable once you learn them. Very weak defense, very situational anti-airs, and no real reversal except super. His saving grace is his damage and stun potential and annoying multi-hitting buttons. Advantage over Vlad and Talos. Large disadvantage against Edge.

Vlad is whacky monkey cheese with flight gimmick that isn't actually hard to react to. All his stuff is unsafe and he runs out of flight meter ridiculously fast and it refills ridiculously slow, neutering his pressure. He has a couple of good buttons and can do decent damage, it's just not very often he'll land the hit. His DP is decent but probably the worst Real DP in the game, often trading and not giving him much if he dash cancels. Can use some flight gimmicks to bait DPs. Some people think he's really good but I never see anybody play him so I could be absolutely wrong! Probably disadvantage against everyone but not as badly as Talos. No idea about the Vlad-Talos matchup itself.

Talos is a grappler with no invincible or anti-fireball moves in a game with chars like Edge, Crow, and Chel. He does decent damage and has good reset potential, but with big risks associated with everything. Heavily reliant on Kinetic meter to do anything. Without super, crumbles to pressure. Armor kick is really easy to beat or bait out and super unsafe, though he gets a good reward if it lands. Goes even with Dauntless at best, just because of character archetypes. Loses to everyone else except maybe Vlad?

So this is like original SF2. I'm not betting on this game having a long life span, but things might change drastically.

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
There's nothing close to the kind of bad match-ups that were present in the various iterations of SF2. Plus there's the fact none of these characters are actually "done" yet, since the idea is to have variations on special moves that you can change out.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
poo poo don't work.

Uncle Kitchener
Nov 18, 2009

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bebaloorpabopalo posted:

There's nothing close to the kind of bad match-ups that were present in the various iterations of SF2. Plus there's the fact none of these characters are actually "done" yet, since the idea is to have variations on special moves that you can change out.

Yeah, not to that extend since all the characters in this game are cut from the same cloth and you can win with every one of them, but I was more referring to the binary nature of the matchups you feel when you're playing something like SF2. The system is also really simple to the point that all characters could take about the same amount of effort while sticking to their own archetype.

It's amazing that it's 2015 and there have been few titles that adopted the run, hop and roll system of KOF. Maybe that made those games hard to balance, but even anime fighters introduced air dashing to make things more interesting.

I'll wait until this game hit beta though. Seems way too bare bones.

Jmcrofts
Jan 7, 2008

just chillin' in the club
Lipstick Apathy

uncleKitchener posted:

The system is also really simple to the point that all characters could take about the same amount of effort while sticking to their own archetype.

This is definitely not the case. You can start doing well with Chel and Talos immediately, while Vlad and Crow have a lot of execution and setups you need to work on.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Been watching a lot of streams since the game's release, and from what I've seen most of the pro players/commentators seem to gravitate towards Talos. I think the only two who I've seen play Edge primarily are Jwong and Maximillian. Snake Eyez seems to think Vlad is top tier, haha.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


teagone posted:

Been watching a lot of streams since the game's release, and from what I've seen most of the pro players/commentators seem to gravitate towards Talos. I think the only two who I've seen play Edge primarily are Jwong and Maximillian. Snake Eyez seems to think Vlad is top tier, haha.

Playing as Chel my hardest defeat so far was against Talos, every other character I've felt I had a chance against but Talos just shut me down.

Mattavist
May 24, 2003

gone

Mattavist fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Aug 1, 2015

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Slow fighting games without a block button are bad. This is one of those games.

Pteretis
Nov 4, 2011

Mattavist posted:

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Thank you.

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Zand
Jul 9, 2003

~ i'll take you for a ride ~ ride on a meteorite ~

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

Slow fighting games without a block button are bad. This is one of those games.

This sentiment is stupid.. i didn't know it was possible to be objectively wrong with a preference but you're pioneering a new frontier with rubbish opinions like this

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