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mrking posted:Did they release some new information about perks that I missed or we just arguing the pros and cons of how we think its going to work? Yeah in case anyone is still wondering that skill/perk stuff posted a couple of pages back is all speculation by the fine folks at the bethesda official forums based mostly on the trailer and e3 footage.
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Here's my incredibly detailed thesis statement about the proper way to implement the VATs, skill, perk, and combat systems, which I'm basing off of 40 minutes of video and ~4 pages of text, I hope you enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it:
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I hope VATS target selection makes more sense than in 3/NV. If they are still moving, cycling endlessly through limbs trying to select the head will be incredibly frustrating. I can't really understand why they didn't just make a one column list off to one side for target selections. I wonder if full-stop VATS will be a perk option? Like, you start with say a 25% slowdown and ranks move it to 50, 75 and 100%. I think that would make and interesting optional investment for perks. EDIT: For pacifist characters they could add a perk that allows you to calm down enemies like raiders and start a dialogue where you offer money now with a promise of more later if they don't kill you. Something like Voice of the Emperor in Skyrim. Then, turn them in to some bounty hunters and have them killed on the sly. NofrikinfuN fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Aug 2, 2015 |
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Aug 2, 2015 15:38
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NofrikinfuN posted:
That's a cool idea. You could maybe tie it to PER too.
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Flaky posted:
Sunless Sea mod lookin good'
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Also I'm not super worried about the perk tree because it'll be really easy to rebalance it all you gotta do is change some numbers around. It'll take a like a week if you wanna do lots of testing of different numbers.
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Shugojin posted:Also I'm not super worried about the perk tree because it'll be really easy to rebalance it all you gotta do is change some numbers around. It'll take a like a week if you wanna do lots of testing of different numbers. I would normally feel the same way, but I'm 100% going to be playing this one on a console. Still, I think Bethesda will probably make an at least somewhat entertaining game. Skyrim's flaws didn't really show until the end of a ~40 hour playthrough, which I would call a very successful game overall.
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Enemies look like they take cover and get mauled by dogs, but I hope that means they got rid of their ability to move so darn erratically at high speeds while shooting. Probably the worst thing about shooting things in the 3d fallouts. If they wanted people to shoot things other than heads, they should have made limbs easier to cripple without a railway rifle. Three full VATS bursts from a assault rifle won't be enough to cripple or kill a sprinting super mutant, but it might kill him if aimed at the head. God drat it Bethesda, show me some real gameplay!
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sector_corrector posted:I would normally feel the same way, but I'm 100% going to be playing this one on a console. Still, I think Bethesda will probably make an at least somewhat entertaining game. Skyrim's flaws didn't really show until the end of a ~40 hour playthrough, which I would call a very successful game overall. Morrowind was the last good console port they made so I don't know why you'd do that to yourself.
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big mean giraffe posted:Morrowind was the last good console port they made so I don't know why you'd do that to yourself. Because a next gen console is cheaper than a gaming PC? Also Morrowind was the only console port, the rest of their games where designed with consoles in mind from the beginning.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:04
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PCs are getting cheaper all the time and the PS4 and Xbone have been out almost 2 years already, there's probably not much price difference between a console and a comparable PC at this point. Or a less powerful PC that you can then get an upgraded graphics card for.
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Aug 2, 2015 17:11
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It's not like you have to replace all the components when you upgrade either.
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Rutibex posted:Because a next gen console is cheaper than a gaming PC? Also Morrowind was the only console port, the rest of their games where designed with consoles in mind from the beginning. Partially this, and partially that my current laptop has enough power to do everything I need for work, and Bloodborne being a PS4 exclusive. Also due to my current living situation I was able to split the cost of a PS4 to make it ridiculously cheap.
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2house2fly posted:PCs are getting cheaper all the time and the PS4 and Xbone have been out almost 2 years already, there's probably not much price difference between a console and a comparable PC at this point. Or a less powerful PC that you can then get an upgraded graphics card for. Or you can just buy PS4 and not have to waste your time upgrading a giant calculator.
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JackBadass posted:Or you can just buy PS4 and not have to waste your time upgrading a giant calculator. Calculators are cool.
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Andrast posted:Calculators are cool. And expensive as all hell.
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Aug 2, 2015 20:14
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But will probably outlast a console that will be replaced in 2-4 years by the next model.
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Which discussion is worse, PC vs. console or FO3 vs. NV?
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Crabtree posted:But will probably outlast a console that will be replaced in 2-4 years by the next model. I doubt it, the PS3&Xbox 360 generation lasted a lot longer than that. Computers aren't getting as impressive upgrades as they did in the past, moores law seem to be slowing down. I bet the current generation lasts 8-10 years or more.
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Crabtree posted:But will probably outlast a console that will be replaced in 2-4 years by the next model. It's 6-7 years, actually.
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Rutibex posted:I doubt it, the PS3&Xbox 360 generation lasted a lot longer than that. Computers aren't getting as impressive upgrades as they did in the past, moores law seem to be slowing down. I bet the current generation lasts 8-10 years or more. Yeah. How long did the PS2 last? Wasn't it like 11-14 years or something like that?
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Hell the PS2 had a crazy long support life. Console generations are pretty long these days.
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I miss my PS2, had it for a few years, it never failed once. Built my first computer in 2000, was obsolete within two years. Few things more frustrating that saying "Oh, that's a cool looking game 'sees system requirements', but it would eat my computer alive DAMMIT".
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Sounds like the way to build the standard "Guns, Lockpicking, Speech" character in this is to start off with at least 6 in Agility, Charisma, and Perception, than get 3 points in Lockpick, Commando or Gunslinger, and Local Leader (because bobbleheads will probably give you one rank in the related skill, so why bother maxing them), and then get whatever else you want from there. Should take 9 levels to get all that junk. Hopefully, the perks give you additional benefits asides from a boring %increase to accuracy or speech checks, like how TES IV: Oblivion gave you perks every 25 points into a skill.
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Calculator games are cheaper on average though. That said, an OK to decent gaming PC, a monitor and a copy of windows (unless upgrading Win7 or later desktop) will run you around $1000 in US (YMMV pricing in other countries). Plus it is somewhat more hassle to deal with. Payoff is pretty awesome too especially for Fallout and modding.
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oblomov posted:Payoff is pretty awesome too especially for Fallout and modding. You mean that thing console players are also getting?
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JackBadass posted:You mean that thing console players are also getting? You mean a watered down, filtered product the consoles are getting?
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JackBadass posted:Yeah. How long did the PS2 last? Wasn't it like 11-14 years or something like that? There was about 5 years between it coming out in the US and the PS3 coming out.
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TontoCorazon posted:You mean a watered down, filtered product the consoles are getting? [citation needed]
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computer parts posted:There was about 5 years between it coming out in the US and the PS3 coming out. I'm talking about total lifespan of the PS2, which lasted until like a couple years ago.
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JackBadass posted:You mean that thing console players are also getting? lol if you think thats actually happening as described by the pr machine
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There is no way that the consoles will get the same modding environment as the PC because consoles are very much locked down. I mean whether or not the PC modding environment is a good thing is... debatable.
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Mazreal posted:lol if you think thats actually happening as described by the pr machine  Didn't think I'd have to use this again...
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Well, I'm sure graphics mods aren't going to be a thing on consoles. I suppose if someone spends a lot of time optimizing the poo poo out of the textures, maybe, but I doubt you're gonna be getting the crazy 4K textures you see in Skyrim texture replacements. In addition, I'm wondering how or if script extenders would work on consoles, as they're required for a lot of mods with more complex things.
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SunAndSpring posted:Well, I'm sure graphics mods aren't going to be a thing on consoles. I suppose if someone spends a lot of time optimizing the poo poo out of the textures, maybe, but I doubt you're gonna be getting the crazy 4K textures you see in Skyrim texture replacements. Oh boy... 4K...
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JackBadass posted:[citation needed] There is common sense though. They will have to have mods curated first. That's perhaps is not bad considering some poo poo on Nexus. The thing though a lot of more complex mods use various extenders to the game which I cant see working on consoles.
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JackBadass posted:Oh boy... 4K... Eh, I have a 21x9 monitor at 3440 X 1440 and I love it.
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PCs last a lot longer nowadays compared to a few years ago, for games. I built mine like 5 years ago and I haven't had to upgrade anything yet and I can play any game on high settings still. Companies just arent pushing graphics hard anymore so there's no real reason to replace your hardware very often
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If you think Microsoft or Sony are going to allow completely open modding on any game on their systems you are smoking some pretty powerful crack.Zzulu posted:PCs last a lot longer nowadays compared to a few years ago, for games. I built mine like 5 years ago and I haven't had to upgrade anything yet and I can play any game on high settings still. Companies just arent pushing graphics hard anymore so there's no real reason to replace your hardware very often I guarantee that if you're playing Witcher or Arkham Knight on high on a 5 year old PC you're getting poo poo framerates. You need a 970 for Witcher on highest even with the hair poo poo disabled.
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big mean giraffe posted:I guarantee that if you're playing Witcher or Arkham Knight on high on a 5 year old PC you're getting poo poo framerates. You need a 970 for Witcher on highest even with the hair poo poo disabled. If you're playing Arkham Knight at all you're probably getting poo poo frame rates.
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