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narm00 posted:Huh. Ian Watson's said Masquerade 4th is going to be post-Gehenna (or equivalent). Welp. I wasn't planning on getting this as I've moved onto nwod, but how can I pass that setting up?
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Can you even have the Cam / Sab in a post-Gehenna world? The central question around the existence of the antediluvians and the True Black Hand et al metaplot got answered already.
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What's the word on V20 Dark Ages? I'll never get to use it, but is it fun reading?
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Gerund posted:Can you even have the Cam / Sab in a post-Gehenna world? The central question around the existence of the antediluvians and the True Black Hand et al metaplot got answered already. I'd expect a lot of upheaval but institutions outlive the ideology that spawned them all the time
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Gerund posted:You're asking a lot from a 1099 company. It's like asking an Uber driver to fix your car. The features I've described are already in the nWoD 1e line. They were just strangely absent from books like V20; it was rather noticeable when trying to figure out the effects of some Discipline or another, and having to dig through a dense column of text to figure out how it actually worked.
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Dave Brookshaw on Deviant posted:If you were disappointed by Beast being high powered and not visibly monstrous to bystanders, Deviant is the exact opposite. 
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Gerund posted:Can you even have the Cam / Sab in a post-Gehenna world? The central question around the existence of the antediluvians and the True Black Hand et al metaplot got answered already. If they're using one of the Gehennas from the book, I would think the way to go would be that vampires have been exposed, the Antediluvians rose, Jan Pieterzoon's Nephtali (did Jan ever do anything interesting before telling Hardestadt to gently caress himself?) brought them down with the cooperation of humanity, and now the remnants of the Camarilla and Sabbat (their primary purposes now completely obsolete) have to deal with a young, dynamic, but suddenly purposeless Nephtali comprised primarily of younger vampires who don't trust either sect's remaining elders. The problem is that with Gehenna past and vampires exposed, none of the three factions has a driving purpose... I dunno, I'm just spitballing.
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if this is more on "play one of those mutants chased by mobs the X-Men always show up to rescue" I'm down with that
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But will they have learned the most important lesson from Beast?
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Trollhawke posted:But will they have learned the most important lesson from Beast? The most important lesson you can learn about Beast is "don't play Beast."
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What if it goes on with Hunter's ending with everyone becoming Imbued and humanity rising up to fight and take back the night?
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While that sounds fun I don' t think that would really survive as anything like Vampire; it would be something else that, while really cool, would probably be very different. I foresee two possibilities. One, they use a very watered down version of Gehenna that allows Masquerade's core conceits to continue more or less undeterred without the nagging sword of Damacles hanging over it the whole time. Or two, they set it after some kind of second Burning Times in the wake of Gehenna that means they really, really need to be serious about the Masquerade this time no seriously would you guys cut it out.
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Assuming that they are going to want 3rd/4th editions of the other old World of Darkness games, there are basically two ways they can go with it. If they don't care about permitting crossover games, they can just go with whatever the most interesting apocalypse scenario from the last books is for the line. If they want want to preserve some sort of crossover potential, though, they'll probably just create a new apocalypse taking elements from the different lines and that will be the new setting. Of course, what we really want to know is Will Saulot be a huge jerk or a messiah in this brave new canon?
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Trollhawke posted:But will they have learned the most important lesson from Beast? Do everything the opposite from Beast like actually delivering on promises and not making it a hamfisted metaphor.
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Perhaps the Gehenna will just be that the Antes rose for a couple of years, ate a shitton of elders, and went back to bed. All the noddists, etc, get hugely disappointed - it ain't the end of days afterall. No glorious crusade of blood, no culmination of the ancient jyhad. Just a loving terrifying time to be a vampire and the complete disintegration of the social order. EDIT: This thread is going to get weird. Some very reasonable voices in there. But then you hit the guy wanting them to cut out the Giovanni entirely and make the Setites into a Baali bloodline rather than a clan. Or even post 2, which is immediately leaping on the 'assamites are terrorists' train that hasn't been A Thing in the setting since early 2E, or the voices that don't seem to have grasped that there was actually quite a bit of nuance and complexity to the Setites by the close of Revised. I predict a lot of that sort of thing as we close in on 4th Edition, with people wanting a completely different setting, not actually having read half the books about what they complain about, or basically arguing for VtR but with a splash of VtM paint on it. Loomer fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Aug 2, 2015 |
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I don't see how you could do the owod vampire post gehenna especially with a metaplot. The looming apocalypse is such a high stakes plot that nothing can top it. I guess you can shamble ahead with new enemies out of left field like every other scifi / fantasy franchise that for money went on beyond its natural coherent ending: death note, dbz, the star wars eu, terminator, Buffy, supernatural, etc
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I do like low-powered stuff so i'm into this. Wonder if you can make the Hidden from that source mod? Edit: Also, where did you see him post that? UrbicaMortis fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Aug 2, 2015 |
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Tezzor posted:I don't see how you could do the owod vampire post gehenna especially with a metaplot. Maybe it'd be a post-apoc thing? What I'd like to know is if they'd include the other apocalypses as well; I don't know, it could be cool.
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UrbicaMortis posted:I do like low-powered stuff so i'm into this. Wonder if you can make the Hidden from that source mod? I remember, way back when the nWoD first came out, the lower power level was seen as a selling point, since the oWoD got really ridiculous at times. Another reason the power creep is a disappointment.
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So GenCon is over now, and I'm in my room somewhere near Indy airport ready for the long trip home tomorrow. Deviant, then. Deviant is about people turned into supernatural beings by human actors - their transformation is "messy" compared to other beings, and they don't end up with an entirely stable "template". Most are the result of human conspiracies, cults, mad science, and other groups. Even those whose change was self-inflicted are sought as assets. PC Deviants are the ones who've escaped the clutches of their conspiracy - for now - and have a thirst for revenge. Deviant is Sense8, Orphan Black, Fringe, The Fly, Hulk, Guyver, Tetsuo The Iron Man, Akira, Hollow Man, Jekyll, Videodrome, Existenz, Scanners, Dark Angel, several versions of Beauty and the Beast, John Doe, Kyle XY... One thing I quickly realized after Rose and Rich handed me the blurb you've seen in the catalog and asked me to make a game out of it is how much inspirational media there is for it, which we've not tapped so far. Also yes, many (but, crucially, not all) powers will be physically obvious, and yes, because the bulk of their foes are normal (albeit organized) people, they will trend to being the street level. The potential for Akira or Dr Manhatten-style blowouts will be there, but most Deviants will be the lowest-powered full game protagonists bar Hunters.
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So is there no presentations with audio and video like there were last year? I remember writing up summaries of the panels last year and was looking forward to doing the same this year.
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Pope Guilty posted:So is there no presentations with audio and video like there were last year? I remember writing up summaries of the panels last year and was looking forward to doing the same this year. They usually get put up the after GenCon ends, so they'll probably be up some time this week.
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So are the Deviant enemies normal dudes except for just
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Well, forget playing a demisplat mixed group, this sounds like it'll be my street level game instead!
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Blockhouse posted:So are the Deviant enemies normal dudes except for just Alchemists. But, the rich evil ones.
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tatankatonk posted:Alchemists. But, the rich evil ones. The basic concepts of the rich evil Alchemists as the antagonists makes a whole lot more sense for Deviant than for Promethean. I mean, look at the bad guys in half those pieces of media that got reffed. Especially the more recent ones.
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Dave Brookshaw posted:So GenCon is over now, and I'm in my room somewhere near Indy airport ready for the long trip home tomorrow. I really wish this was the crossover splat instead of Beast. Experimental subjects pumped with ectoplasm, genetically modified with Werewolf genes, surgically grafted parts from Angels and Demons, replacing their heart with a Pyros pump, and so on. More than one might even be applied and depending on the supernatural types they're around, their abilities resonate with the originals and can supplement them with abilities outside of the splat's purview (say being a muscle for a Coterie of Vampires since the Deviant had their organs replaced with a Werewolf's and can go into a semblance of Gauru) while learning how to better use their own abilities (say watching one of the Vampires use a Discipline like Celerity and being better at using it themselves). There are some similarities in origin to Prometheans which probably should be addressed and ironed out besides Prommie being made out of non-living subjects and Deviants made out o living ones.
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The original pitch to me sounded like a cross between Promethean and Hunter, and I'm looking forward to seeing how this hammers out in detail. I'm withholding any judgments until then because, well, this poo poo is exceptionally hard to judge initially. I thought I'd hate Demon from the pitch; I love Demon. I thought Beast sounded mysterious and hard to understand; I hate Beast. So basically: good luck with that, I am gonna try very hard not to think about it much until it's in a readable form.
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I'm tentatively excited, except for being reminded that Beast isn't even out so it can't yet shuffle off to an ignominious one-and-done line-demise forever.
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Two and done, it's confirmed for a Night Horrors, too.
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Xelkelvos posted:I really wish this was the crossover splat instead of Beast. Experimental subjects pumped with ectoplasm, genetically modified with Werewolf genes, surgically grafted parts from Angels and Demons, replacing their heart with a Pyros pump, and so on. More than one might even be applied and depending on the supernatural types they're around, their abilities resonate with the originals and can supplement them with abilities outside of the splat's purview (say being a muscle for a Coterie of Vampires since the Deviant had their organs replaced with a Werewolf's and can go into a semblance of Gauru) while learning how to better use their own abilities (say watching one of the Vampires use a Discipline like Celerity and being better at using it themselves). This'd make perfect sense, and actually give back to the other lines by showing examples of weird projects for members of the 'big' lines to embark on.
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Kind of like the options they had in IIRC Saturnine Night of Supernatural Demiurges.
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my only complaint is now I remember Kyle XY existed
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Blockhouse posted:my only complaint is now I remember Kyle XY existed What do you have against Kyle XY? Lot of cool people got a few years of paychecks off that show!
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Aug 3, 2015 10:41
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boogaleeboo were you on kyle xy
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Blockhouse posted:boogaleeboo No. Maybe. ABC Family is a powerful and amoral beast that devours all in it's path, you can't judge me!
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Aug 3, 2015 11:42
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DaveB are you making sure that it's literally possible to play The Secret World of Alex Mack? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G846sZBbVIw
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Small update on the Slasher Chronicle.Matt McElroy posted:Monica Valentinelli is the developer for Hunter 2E.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Small update on the Slasher Chronicle. That ain't a bad pedigree.
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Dave Brookshaw posted:So GenCon is over now, and I'm in my room somewhere near Indy airport ready for the long trip home tomorrow. One thing you said to me, really cool meeting you by the way, was the following: nWoD's Beast is to oWoD's Bygone Bestiary as nWoD's Deviant will be to oWoD's Freak Legion. Basically you had my money right there and then spent in whatever future Kickstarter or Pre-order Deviant will have. Luminous Obscurity posted:Small update on the Slasher Chronicle. Unknown Armies? gently caress yeah.
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