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Ronwayne posted:Okay, what the gently caress is this Roko Basilisk thing and why are nerds afraid of it? From what I can tell its basically: It's a really stupid, impossible idea build upon a pile of other really stupid, impossible a prioris. These idiot futurists believe that a technological singularity is fast approaching. This will bring about an omnibenevolent AI with literally infinite computational power. This Omnibenevolent AI will solve all problems ever. However, realizing that it cannot solve problems before it was created, it will want to have been designed as early as possible. In order to encourage this, these idiots believe, this computer will 'logically' create infinite perfect simulations of anyone who is aware that the above will happen, using it's infinite computational power. The reason it does this is to torture these simulated people for all eternity if they wouldn't have donated to it's development to the best of their ability (read: donated to Yukowhatever's AI research scam.) Since you cannot tell if you are one of the simulations, and 'logically' it is far more likely than not that you are one, if you are aware of the coming of such an AI, you are afflicted with 'Roko's Basilisk' and are in danger of eternal suffering unless you donate. People who are not aware of it, obviously, will not be tortured, because they don't realize they need to donate to avoid torture. All the logical faults and leaps taken and physical impossibilities are ignored, and any attempt to list them on my part would be absurd because it is incorrect on every level. Now that you have read this, you are doomed to an eternity in Robot Hell. Tiberius Thyben has a new favorite as of 07:21 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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So weird reactionary wannabe space nobles battle against the concept of space-future-satan. Add some potato men wearing refrigerators and hitting each other with chainsaws and you basically have warhammer 40k.
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Aug 3, 2015 07:24
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Ronwayne posted:So weird reactionary wannabe space nobles battle against the concept of space-future-satan. Add some potato men wearing refrigerators and hitting each other with chainsaws and you basically have warhammer 40k. Against? These people want space-future-satan to arrive as soon as possible, before the world is ruined by the low-IQ masses.
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Aug 3, 2015 08:37
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Ronwayne posted:So weird reactionary wannabe space nobles battle against the concept of space-future-satan. Add some potato men wearing refrigerators and hitting each other with chainsaws and you basically have warhammer 40k. They'd probably also be up for a giant space furnace to feed plebs into to power their omniscient godhead.
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Aug 3, 2015 08:45
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Tiberius Thyben posted:It's a really stupid, impossible idea build upon a pile of other really stupid, impossible a prioris. So Bayes always leaves us with some uncertainty. It tells us how certain we should be, but if it tells you you should be 100% certain, you either did something wrong, or are not talking about the real world. So it is quite reasonable for us, as Bayesian agents, to have some uncertainty about what the future will bring. Similarly, a Bayesian AI will have some uncertainty left. Also, a Bayesian AI will probably understand that it is rational for us to never have a zero-spread posterior (ie., be 100% certain). Not so Yudhowsky's AI, which seemingly assumes that we should be 100% certain, even though it presumably knows how loving dumb humans are and how it is quite sensible to be skeptical of, first and foremost, ones own convictions.
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Aug 3, 2015 10:12
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So I'm guessing pretty much that LW is to Bayes Theorem what Objectivism is to Aristotle's axioms. A whole pseudophilosophy based on complete and total misreading.
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Aug 3, 2015 11:46
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neonnoodle posted:So I'm guessing pretty much that LW is to Bayes Theorem what Objectivism is to Aristotle's axioms.
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Aug 3, 2015 12:24
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A reminder that Yud also believes that AI will simply 'happen' some day. Like, some day, some programmer will slap the run button and it'll be the future AI god, unstoppable and glorious. He refers to this as "hard takeoff" officially, but if there's one thing I love about Yud, it's his amazing tendency to reveal the childishness of his beliefs in unofficial channels. "AI-go-FOOM" is a tenet of Yudkowsky's view of AI.
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Aug 3, 2015 14:08
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Somfin posted:A reminder that Yud also believes that AI will simply 'happen' some day. Like, some day, some programmer will slap the run button and it'll be the future AI god, unstoppable and glorious. He refers to this as "hard takeoff" officially, but if there's one thing I love about Yud, it's his amazing tendency to reveal the childishness of his beliefs in unofficial channels. "AI-go-FOOM" is a tenet of Yudkowsky's view of AI. Doesn't seem that different from Kurzweil...
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Aug 3, 2015 14:18
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Somfin posted:A reminder that Yud also believes that AI will simply 'happen' some day. Like, some day, some programmer will slap the run button and it'll be the future AI god, unstoppable and glorious. He refers to this as "hard takeoff" officially, but if there's one thing I love about Yud, it's his amazing tendency to reveal the childishness of his beliefs in unofficial channels. "AI-go-FOOM" is a tenet of Yudkowsky's view of AI. It's a lot like William Gibson inventing the internet on a typewriter, only 30 years after the internet was invented and without the genius, and not intended as scifi.
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Aug 3, 2015 14:44
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coyo7e posted:I'd like to push Charles Krauthammer into a wide, deep pool of thin concrete. Yes, because you should tilt the wheelchair so he falls into the concrete without the chair following him. Somebody else could use that chair. neonnoodle posted:Doesn't seem that different from Kurzweil... That's because the entire singularity movement is just Kurzweil fanfiction. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 14:51 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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Aug 3, 2015 14:47
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I love how the entire thing is pretty much just extrapolating current trends into infinity and then freaking out when the results are terrifying. Computers have gotten increasingly powerful over the last few decades. if we extrapolate that trend into the future, eventually they will become so powerful they can simulate the position of every molecule in the universe with perfect precision, allowing them to predict the future perfectly! Why is no one taking this serious!? Of course, there is a small problem. If we extrapolate the current trend of global warming, the Earth's atmosphere might start hydrogen fusion before then and turn the planet into a second sun.
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Aug 3, 2015 15:24
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ArchangeI posted:I love how the entire thing is pretty much just extrapolating current trends into infinity and then freaking out when the results are terrifying. Computers have gotten increasingly powerful over the last few decades. if we extrapolate that trend into the future, eventually they will become so powerful they can simulate the position of every molecule in the universe with perfect precision, allowing them to predict the future perfectly! Why is no one taking this serious!? These people have never had someone tell them "don't fall in love with your model". And have never heard of reductio ad absurdum.
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Aug 3, 2015 15:33
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There's a quote by a Chinese author, I like, Lu Xun, who said “I thought: hope cannot be said to exist, nor can it be said not to exist. It is just like roads across the earth. For actually the earth had no roads to begin with, but when many men pass one way, a road is made.” The Neo-Reactionary is someone who goes "Well, do you notice how roads all link up on a given continent, and that people keep building them, and sometimes they clear forests or hills? Clearly roads are a sentient memetic virus trying to spread themselves via humans. Furthermore, many forests are nice, and you can learn a lot more by just wandering around, roads make it too easy really. You don't want every square inch of the world to be covered by roads, do you? Well that's the logical roady end game. I say we censor the roady press, and abolish roads."
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Aug 3, 2015 15:52
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PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker: Less Wrong Thread 2.0
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DStecks posted:PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker: Less Wrong Thread 2.0 Yeah kinda. I mean there's the Book Barn HPMOR thread for Yudchat too, this thread doesn't really need Roko's Basilisk derails. I mean, the old dead LW mock thread had a "wait, let's go over how Roko's Basilisk works in excruciating detail again" every five pages.
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Aug 3, 2015 18:17
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All that needs to be said about roko's basilisk or yud's ai theories is that it's nothing more than religion for smug nerds.
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Aug 3, 2015 19:09
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Tiberius Thyben posted:It's a really stupid, impossible idea build upon a pile of other really stupid, impossible a prioris. That's whatcha whatcha get on level 5 (Jehovah's Witnesses apparently)
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Aug 3, 2015 19:34
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Yeah, the Basilisk is hilarious but is not in fact the Dark Enlightenment (EVEN IF MIKE ANISSIMOV, THE SLAVIC UNTERMENSCH WITH WHITE-NATIONALIST ENVY, SERIOUSLY DOES IN FACT ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN THE BASILISK.). Let's see what else is out there in the land of the Tumblr Endarkenment! Nyan Sandwich: At this blog, we are interested in discovering and presenting the underreported truth in these areas. This reads like a college student whose mind has been set ablaze by attempting to understand Moldbug. Sons of the Sun: some sort of white nationalist ramble that presumably has a point in there somewhere, gently caress knows what. The Hestia Society, whichever the gently caress of these idiots that is (either Nyan or Wesley, looks like): an exciting photoblog. Well, my dear neoreactionary, reblogging Cathedral imagery is hardly going to bring about the monarchy, is it now/ (from their site: Currently Seeking: people who can actually do poo poo, unlike us. We're more your ideas men.) Dunno who this dick is. Likes pretty white girls, hates blacks and Arthur Chu. And just for the horribly unrational people from low-IQ gene pools who are pining for the LW thread, Scott wonders if there really are enough people to get HPMOR that Hugo by spamming the slate.
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Aug 3, 2015 20:31
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divabot posted:And just for the horribly unrational people from low-IQ gene pools who are pining for the LW thread, Scott wonders if there really are enough people to get HPMOR that Hugo by spamming the slate. Even if the World Science Fiction Society gets spammed with HPMOR votes it might be disqualified on the grounds that it has neither been copyrighted nor published anywhere within the eligible date range. If they want to rules-lawyer, then its last few chapters might still be eligible.
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Curvature of Earth posted:Even if the World Science Fiction Society gets spammed with HPMOR votes it might be disqualified on the grounds that it has neither been copyrighted nor published anywhere within the eligible date range. If they want to rules-lawyer, then its last few chapters might still be eligible. Serial novels published over multiple years are a tricky one, but I'm sure there's precedent for them. (Not just the four or five parts in Analog, but longer-running serial novels.)
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divabot posted:Yeah, the Basilisk is hilarious but is not in fact the Dark Enlightenment (EVEN IF MIKE ANISSIMOV, THE SLAVIC UNTERMENSCH WITH WHITE-NATIONALIST ENVY, SERIOUSLY DOES IN FACT ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN THE BASILISK.). Let's see what else is out there in the land of the Tumblr Endarkenment! They're just never gonna give up on memetics, huh. Sure why not, it's too fun to accuse your opponent of being infected by evil mind viruses.
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Also I am slowly coming to realize that the entire Dark Enlightenment is that assignment in Social Studies where you and your group had to come up with ideas for a society and how it should be run, and you just kinda winged most of it and came up with National Video Games Day as your major holiday or whatever. Except it's adult nazis instead of 11 year olds, thus removing the charm.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Also I am slowly coming to realize that the entire Dark Enlightenment is that assignment in Social Studies where you and your group had to come up with ideas for a society and how it should be run, and you just kinda winged most of it and came up with National Video Games Day as your major holiday or whatever. Did I say pretty white girls? I meant of course pretty white girls with big eyes who are totally not like anime chicks (and who almost certainly don't deserve to be reblogged by a white nationalist neoreactionary).
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divabot posted:Did I say pretty white girls? I meant of course pretty white girls with big eyes who are totally not like anime chicks (and who almost certainly don't deserve to be reblogged by a white nationalist neoreactionary). I wonder how this Christian teenager feels about becoming an object of lust for a bunch of middle-aged nazis.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Also I am slowly coming to realize that the entire Dark Enlightenment is that assignment in Social Studies where you and your group had to come up with ideas for a society and how it should be run, and you just kinda winged most of it and came up with National Video Games Day as your major holiday or whatever. Once, in summer camp, we were split into "archeology" teams. Each team had to create fake artifacts for an imaginary civilization, then bury them. We were supposed to include information on what the government, religion, and language was like. We then dug up a different team's artifacts and tried to interpret them. Because we were 12-year-olds, ideas included:
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Isn't the Hestia Society that weird women-only school that trains them to be perfect Victorian housewives and also to hate minorities and degenerates? There was an A/T Thread by a former member at some point. If it's not the same, the name is very similar.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Isn't the Hestia Society that weird women-only school that trains them to be perfect Victorian housewives and also to hate minorities and degenerates? Like as a sex thing or as a legit part of some oppressive subculture? That sounds terrifying.
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Isn't the Hestia Society that weird women-only school that trains them to be perfect Victorian housewives and also to hate minorities and degenerates? I think you're thinking of Aristasia, which had a weird fantasy world as part of it and involved a lot of Victorian S&M. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Martindale I've got some links saved somewhere because it was such a fascinating and bizarre thing.
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Hellequin posted:I think you're thinking of Aristasia, which had a weird fantasy world as part of it and involved a lot of Victorian S&M. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Martindale That wiki page is very sparse, care to post the links?
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:That wiki page is very sparse, care to post the links? It was in the old 'Ask me about being friends with a girl who thinks she is married to an anime' thread and the poster was Hibiscus. Somewhere around this part of the thread.
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Hellequin posted:I think you're thinking of Aristasia, which had a weird fantasy world as part of it and involved a lot of Victorian S&M. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Martindale http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3hxVnKUrHU Seems right at home with nazi fantasies, really. I'm sure their sexy parties involve a lot of conversation about exterminating the brutes and the white man's burden.
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Yeah sure, I was just looking for everything I had saved. There was a derail in the "Ask me about growing up with a girl who thinks she's married to anime guys" thread, around 100 or so pages in, about this stuff. Posts are here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3444416&userid=207587 http://aristasia.info/ http://www.mother-god.com/aristasia.html https://aristasia.wordpress.com/ http://aristasia-central.com/ http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ARG/Aristasia http://aristasia.net/index.html http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk.religion.newage/2005-11/msg00000.html Hellequin has a new favorite as of 01:40 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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Jack Gladney posted:I wonder how this Christian teenager feels about becoming an object of lust for a bunch of middle-aged nazis. If you click on the link he cites, you'll see she deleted the post. Edit: sorry, that was some intermediate reblogger. divabot has a new favorite as of 23:22 on Aug 3, 2015 |
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To be honest though, Aristasia is pretty benign next to the Dark Enlightenment stuff, even if it does have some of the telling signs of Ur-Fascism (http://www.publiceye.org/fascist/eco/ur-fascism.html). It comes off more the product of sexually repressed women creating escapist fantasies to express their closeted lesbianism.
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Aristasians seem perfectly happy to have their little world and live in it with their fantasies rather than believe they're going to take over the world, though. They're weird but seem harmless.
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Pope Guilty posted:Aristasians seem perfectly happy to have their little world and live in it with their fantasies rather than believe they're going to take over the world, though. They're weird but seem harmless. They've yet to manifest their Peter Thiel or Justine Tunney?
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divabot posted:They've yet to manifest their Peter Thiel or Justine Tunney? And never will, imo, since Aristasians would rather withdraw than conquer.
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