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GreyPowerVan posted:So why does everyone think Alan Grayson is crazy? I admit I don't have firsthand experience with him but all I've seen on my facebook is "get big money out of politics" and "expand medicare to cover dental, vision, and hearing." He is volatile in a way that seems to go beyond passionate in the defense of what he believes, and more into the realm of just being a dude who can't stop getting insanely pissed off and screaming at people. Also IIRC high-profile, contentious divorce. That kind of thing.
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GreyPowerVan posted:So why does everyone think Alan Grayson is crazy? I admit I don't have firsthand experience with him but all I've seen on my facebook is "get big money out of politics" and "expand medicare to cover dental, vision, and hearing." Mainstream democratic party apparatchiks dislike him because he doesn't wilt into a sniveling apologetic blob when confronted by conservative nuttery, and also because he's actually left wing enough to be more than marginally left-of-center. This exposes them for the complicit cowards they are and makes them uncomfortable. Republicans hate him because he's not afraid to call them on their bullshit or point out, loudly, that their ideology is essentially "gently caress you and die unless you're rich."
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Jul 31, 2015 00:49
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Okay, I guess I like him then. Being really angry about people being awful to other people is a-ok in my book. Thanks for the insight. EDIT: Vvv whoa buddy that's crazy. SSJ_naruto_2003 has issued a correction as of 01:16 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 00:54
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He also is a multimillionaire with a son who was withholding child support payments and issuing statements to the press about how he was going to be polite and just call his wife a "crazy gold-digger" when he could go much further. He also claimed poverty when asked why he wasn't paying child support and his wife and kids were living in a trailer. He also had a restraining order taken out against him and called the cops when his wife used the credit card to buy groceries and gas without telling him. Pretty sure those are the major reasons people don't want him in front of cameras. Fun fact: His wife's legal name is Lolita. Leon Trotsky 2012 has issued a correction as of 01:09 on Jul 31, 2015 |
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Jul 31, 2015 01:01
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He also released the infamous "submit to me" ad in 2010 where he quoted his opponent out of context and made it appear that he supported a position opposite to what it was in reality. The position being that he uses Christianity to get his wife to submit to him, or something along those lines. He's the Democratic version of the crazy Tea Party candidate who is in over his head but just wants to keep digging.
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Jul 31, 2015 01:06
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He also is a multimillionaire with a son who was withholding child support payments and issuing statements to the press about how he was going to be polite and just call his wife a "crazy gold-digger" when he could go much further. He also claimed poverty when asked why he wasn't paying child support and his wife and kids were living in a trailer. He also had a restraining order taken out against him and called the cops when his wife used the credit card to buy groceries and gas without telling him. Pretty sure those are the major reasons people don't want him in front of cameras. Oh, it's that guy? I heard something about that a few years ago but didn't ever know it was him. That makes me sad, I support medicaid being expanded but he's a little insane 
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Jul 31, 2015 01:16
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GreyPowerVan posted:Oh, it's that guy? I heard something about that a few years ago but didn't ever know it was him. That makes me sad, I support medicaid being expanded but he's a little insane It is a sad fact that even reasonable policy positions can be held by crazy assholes.
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I believe a judge just ruled a week or so ago that he was never legally married to his wife Personal problems aside, he's good on most issues other than I/P.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I believe a judge just ruled a week or so ago that he was never legally married to his wife Wait what? How did that happen? They have a kid so presumably they hosed at some point so you can't get off on the "never consummated" loophole.
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axeil posted:Wait what? How did that happen? They have a kid so presumably they hosed at some point so you can't get off on the "never consummated" loophole. Apparently she was legally married to someone else at the time she married Grayson.
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Jul 31, 2015 07:36
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Yeah there was an annulment ordered because of that.
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Jul 31, 2015 12:54
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The Edward IV defense still going strong
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Jul 31, 2015 13:20
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Grayson is a guy who somehow thinks it's ok to call your opponent "taliban dan"
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Aug 1, 2015 13:39
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Concerned Citizen posted:Grayson is a guy who somehow thinks it's ok to call your opponent "taliban dan" I'm assuming his opponent wasn't literally a member of the Taliban, right 
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Aug 3, 2015 23:25
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Grayson sexually harassed a friend of mine. gently caress him.
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Aug 4, 2015 01:34
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GreyPowerVan posted:I'm assuming his opponent wasn't literally a member of the Taliban, right Well, no, but he was a pretty vocal Tea Partier. Still, Grayson could have made his case much more effectively by just pointing out the crazy.
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Aug 4, 2015 01:36
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VanSandman posted:Grayson sexually harassed a friend of mine. gently caress him. No but don't you see, he says political stuff that I agree with.
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Aug 4, 2015 01:45
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Cliff Racer posted:No but don't you see, he says political stuff that I agree with. He does. I was furious to find out he was a shithead to people I like.
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VanSandman posted:Grayson sexually harassed a friend of mine. gently caress him. That's a pretty serious accusation. It's also something that would seriously mean a loss of support from me, and many others.
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Aug 4, 2015 05:39
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The US Steelworkers have endorsed Katie McGinty in the PA Senate primary.
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Aug 5, 2015 20:14
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I think I'm going to have to vote for Alan Grayson for the Florida Senate seat. It's a shame that he's apparently crazy, but he's a progressive I agree with rather than a pushover Democrat or a Republican. If a better option surfaces, I'll take it, but decent candidates are few and far between in the strange wild land of Florida. e: I said "Florida Senate" when I meant Marco Rubio's U.S. Senate seat. I'm sure that was obvious, but I made myself look like an idiot. MrWillsauce has issued a correction as of 10:39 on Aug 7, 2015 |
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Aug 7, 2015 10:12
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MrWillsauce posted:I think I'm going to have to vote for Alan Grayson for the Florida Senate seat. It's a shame that he's apparently crazy, but he's a progressive I agree with rather than a pushover Democrat or a Republican. If a better option surfaces, I'll take it, but decent candidates are few and far between in the strange wild land of Florida. This drives me crazy. Murphy isn't a great candidate, but I'm not worried about Democrats who are secretly Republican. I'm worried about Republicans who are openly Republican. They're the ones who threaten to carpet bomb the budget and letting them keep control of the US Senate with a newly-elected (possibly Republican) President would be an utter disaster that we will feel for a decade or more. It's not just about who has 50 (or 51) votes - it's about who controls the Majority Leader chair and can prevent legislation from coming to the floor. Grayson is a tax dodging millionaire who keeps his hedge fund money in the Caymans. He can't win the US Senate. I'd love to have a good progressive option in Florida, but there isn't one. People like Murphy are the legislators you get pissed about once every six months because they make an annoying vote on an important/high profile issue, but that's a world better than a reliably right wing vote. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 16:05 on Aug 7, 2015 |
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Aug 7, 2015 16:01
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MrWillsauce posted:I think I'm going to have to vote for Alan Grayson for the Florida Senate seat. It's a shame that he's apparently crazy, but he's a progressive I agree with rather than a pushover Democrat or a Republican. If a better option surfaces, I'll take it, but decent candidates are few and far between in the strange wild land of Florida. I, too, support bad unelectable people on the grounds that their unhinged ranting makes them seem strong. That's why I'm the democratic equivalent of a Trump voter, if only he'd come back to our side.
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Concerned Citizen posted:This drives me crazy. Murphy isn't a great candidate, but I'm not worried about Democrats who are secretly Republican. You should be, because they and their Republican allies are why we are in this mess. Well and the people who vote for them. quote:People like Murphy are the legislators you get pissed about once every six months because they make an annoying vote on an important/high profile issue, but that's a world better than a reliably right wing vote. Are you arguing that bad votes on important issues are okay as long as votes on issues of lesser importance are within acceptable parameters?
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Aug 7, 2015 16:34
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I would have preferred Democrat Charlie Crist as Governor/Senator than Rubio and Scott. I know, I'm a heretic.
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I should also say that this is the first election I'm participating in and that I'm not very informed about state politics. But I hope to rectify that, hence my stupid posts in this thread! That was just my impression from glancing at his voting record and stuff, and I don't feel strongly that he's the best candidate 'cause he's gonna tell it like it is and make America great again. Given that this is Florida, it seems like all of the candidates are going to be pretty lovely. It just seems like Grayson really believes in the progressive agenda, especially universal healthcare. But yeah, reading about his attack ads made me cringe. Ultimately I'll vote whichever Democrat has the best chance of winning, to help end the nightmare that is a Republican controlled Congress.
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MrWillsauce posted:I should also say that this is the first election I'm participating in and that I'm not very informed about state politics. But I hope to rectify that, hence my stupid posts in this thread! Grayson is a lovely candidate who will probably lose. Murphy is a Republican masquerading as a Democrat and who votes with Republicans the majority of the time on issues important and not. So it's a poo poo sandwich with extra diarrhea that Floridians have to eat this time. Kind of like every time, because the state is filled with conservatives and has an incredibly incompetent state and regional party "working" for it. I'm sorry you have to go through that. I'm glad I left the state.
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Feather posted:Grayson is a lovely candidate who will probably lose. Murphy is a Republican masquerading as a Democrat and who votes with Republicans the majority of the time on issues important and not. So it's a poo poo sandwich with extra diarrhea that Floridians have to eat this time. Kind of like every time, because the state is filled with conservatives and has an incredibly incompetent state and regional party "working" for it. I'm sorry you have to go through that. I'm glad I left the state. My mother occasionally tells tales of a time before time when Florida was a blue state and our choices for politicians didn't suck. This was before Disneyworld was built and we started getting flooded with retirees. 
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Feather posted:You should be, because they and their Republican allies are why we are in this mess. Well and the people who vote for them. How often does it actually come down to the votes of moderate Democrats? The ACA was definitely watered down by moderate Democrats worried about electoral wipeout, but for the most part I don't spend my day thinking "boy, Joe Manchin is just ruining the Democratic Party!" Are we supposed to seriously believe that Joe Manchin being a Senator is worse than a far-right tea party Republican? Yes, it'd be nice if we had some true blue progressive in Florida, but we don't have that choice. It's Murphy, a mediocre moderate Democrat who will definitely piss us off sometimes, versus a Republican. Grayson can't win. He just can't. And even if he could, people would find a lot of things to hate about him anyway because he masks his more moderate views with aggressive rhetoric. For example, he's to the right of even Chuck Schumer on Israel. quote:Are you arguing that bad votes on important issues are okay as long as votes on issues of lesser importance are within acceptable parameters? I'm arguing that I'd rather have a few bad votes than a lot of bad votes. It's pretty simple. And controlling the Majority Leader spot means those bad votes are far less likely to happen in the first place, because the floor will have vastly less right-wing legislation to vote on. This poo poo isn't a joke. People's livelihoods are at stake based on who wins these seats. Failing to win back the Senate will have real consequences. Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 18:30 on Aug 7, 2015 |
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Grayson is only a progressive because he calls himself one. Reminder: He has little support from progressives within congress and while the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Democracy for America has rushed to endorse Donna Edwards for Senate in Maryland, they have been very quiet regarding Alan Grayson. It might have something to do with the fact that Alan Grayson, despite claiming he is a progressive, is actually running to the right of Patrick Murphy. For example; take his stance on income tax. quote:"One way that you could try to address [income inequality] is through the tax system, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you tax people who make more money more," he said.
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Feather posted:Are you arguing that bad votes on important issues are okay as long as votes on issues of lesser importance are within acceptable parameters? Bad votes on some issues is better than bad votes on all issues.
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MrWillsauce posted:I made myself look like an idiot. Yeah, you sure did. Also, Gwen Graham is running for the seat too but if you hate Murphy you'll hate her just as much. You might think that moderates betray you whenever you come up but that's bullshit. Every Democrat in the senate voted for some form of Obamacare and losing just one would have killed it, but they all stuck together. Klaus88 posted:My mother occasionally tells tales of a time before time when Florida was a blue state and our choices for politicians didn't suck. This was before Disneyworld was built and we started getting flooded with retirees. Ahh yes, back in the days of Jim Crow when Dixiecrats did their best. Not a Republican in sight, no poo poo politicians there.
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Aug 7, 2015 23:05
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Look out Jerry Moran, 'cause Milton is hungry like the Wolf. 
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Aug 10, 2015 16:32
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At first I was confused because I thought it was referring to Jim Moran but I guess Kansas has a Senator Moran who isn't sufficiently pure.
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Aug 10, 2015 18:44
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Bqhatevwr.
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Joementum posted:Bqhatevwr.  at least Feingold didn't hop over to another state to do it
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The "support Chuck Schumer 100% of the time" part is the cherry on top, given the number of anti-Iran-deal ads Johnson runs.
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Joementum posted:Bqhatevwr. I get that people use that line, but it seems especially funny and weird to use it against Feingold who unilaterally applies his campaign finance law to himself. He did it the last four times (or at least the first two). I assume he is doing it again?
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Toomey just voted to defund Planned Parenthood, there's no way that won't hurt him next year, especially if Katie McGinty wins the primary. I'm pretty sure everyone in PA saw that coming, but I thought there was a slight chance he might break ranks to try and shore up some moderate cred. Kirk from Illinois who I believe is up for re-election next year was one of 2 republicans who voted against, and the other was Mitch McConnell...which I guess is some kind of procedural thing?
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Yeah, procedural. I don't think that the Planned Parenthood vote will hurt Toomey much either, if at all. Abortion hasn't been much of an issue around here, as far as I can see. With Specter we had been electing a pro-choice Republican for ages and between the two Caseys you can say the same for electing pro-life Democrats.
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