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Tezzor posted:I don't see how you could do the owod vampire post gehenna especially with a metaplot. The looming apocalypse is such a high stakes plot that nothing can top it. I guess you can shamble ahead with new enemies out of left field like every other scifi / fantasy franchise that for money went on beyond its natural coherent ending: death note, dbz, the star wars eu, terminator, Buffy, supernatural, etc I expect that "post-Gehenna" is going to mean "Gehenna is no longer the sword of Damocles hanging over the immediate future of the setting," not "the dumbest possible version of the apocalypse happened off-screen and forever changed the world, again."
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Daeren posted:That ain't a bad pedigree. Monica is very good. I for one welcome her to the Development cabal!
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gtrmp posted:I expect that "post-Gehenna" is going to mean "Gehenna is no longer the sword of Damocles hanging over the immediate future of the setting," not "the dumbest possible version of the apocalypse happened off-screen and forever changed the world, again." Yeah, but out of the four Gehennas presented in Time of Judgement: Gehenna, one ends with all the vampires gone or turned back to humans, one ends with the Antediluvians rising up and spending several months destroying the world, and one ends with the Masquerade completely gone. Post-Gehenna has this implication that something very major and apocalyptic happened, so maintaining the setting in a way that resembles Revised will be difficult. It's like writing this major game about politics in the Interbellum period, ending with four potential WWII's as a major meta-plot event, and then saying 4th edition will be about the 1950's and 1960's.
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Aug 4, 2015 01:39
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It's obvious (to me) that the correct answer is to therefore use none of those options from the Gehenna book. After all that book was written to help people wrap up long term Chronicles and in-line fiction. It wasn't designed to be playable beyond the end.
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Aug 4, 2015 01:58
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Maybe they'll go back to 1E Gehenna, which is jsut Antedeluvians waking, eating everyone and going back to sleep, and it's hinted this has happened multiple times. The world moves on while most vampires are dead, and you play as a bunch of low-generation neonates building a new vampire society. The board is wiped clean and a new chess game begins.
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Aug 4, 2015 04:28
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The By Night Larp is post Gehenna as well. There's a few throwaway lines about how a cotiere went to Enoch and prevented it, ending the Nights of Turmoil and such. The Sabbat, bereft of the apocalypse and second coming they were expecting kinda ends up losing a lot of ground, but is still around.
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Aug 4, 2015 04:34
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I think a post-Gehenna world where the Sabbat was instrumental in preventing or mitigating the end-times might be more compelling. Like sure, the Sabbat is still fundamentally a suicide cult whose very existence is unhealthy for Kindred as a whole. But hey, they killed the Antediluvians, so shut the gently caress up.
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Hipster Occultist posted:The By Night Larp is post Gehenna as well. There's a few throwaway lines about how a cotiere went to Enoch and prevented it, ending the Nights of Turmoil and such. The Sabbat, bereft of the apocalypse and second coming they were expecting kinda ends up losing a lot of ground, but is still around. Wow that's a really boring option.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Maybe they'll go back to 1E Gehenna, which is jsut Antedeluvians waking, eating everyone and going back to sleep, and it's hinted this has happened multiple times. The world moves on while most vampires are dead, and you play as a bunch of low-generation neonates building a new vampire society. I kinda like that idea.
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I'm planning to run a game of V:tR, and I was wondering whether people prefer first or second edition? I figure first edition would have all the material and bloodlines balanced to it, but I usually prefer the rules of 2e. Does the thread have any suggestions for which I should go with?
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Jade Mage posted:I'm planning to run a game of V:tR, and I was wondering whether people prefer first or second edition? I figure first edition would have all the material and bloodlines balanced to it, but I usually prefer the rules of 2e. Does the thread have any suggestions for which I should go with?
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I would say that 2e's non-usage of derangements makes it better but bear in mind that I really, really hate derangements.
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Touchstones are great and therefore 2e is better.
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2e is better in most ways and if you and your players are not super-familiar with the game I wouldn't gently caress around with bloodlines and stuff anyway.
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I prefer 1E overall, but 2E has some really great rules improvement. It's just that they kind of went overboard with power creep. 
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2E's a little harder to learn because it tends to give you more powers and traits up-front, but there's not much it gives freshly-made vampires that they didn't have already.
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Jade Mage posted:I'm planning to run a game of V:tR, and I was wondering whether people prefer first or second edition? I figure first edition would have all the material and bloodlines balanced to it, but I usually prefer the rules of 2e. Does the thread have any suggestions forich I should go with? Big fan of 2e.
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The few gripes I have with 2e in general are stuff people won't generally run into unless they're system mastery geeks or doing a whole lot of combat. If you're starting fresh, use 2e as your ruleset and feel free to use 1e books where they fit. Vampire 2e in particular, I enjoy it on the whole. The only axes I have left to grind in particular are the changes to the Coils (which this thread has been over at least four times), and a few specific Discipline changes that I'm not personally a fan of. Probably the abruptest change between 1e and 2e's rules for vampires are that 1e's sunlight damage rules will make any vampire detonate like a firecracker in a few seconds of sunlight, while 2e makes it less far less deadly on average.
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Daeren posted:The few gripes I have with 2e in general are stuff people won't generally run into unless they're system mastery geeks or doing a whole lot of combat. If you're starting fresh, use 2e as your ruleset and feel free to use 1e books where they fit. Yeah, I more or less agree with this.
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Use 1e's Nightmare discipline regardless of what edition you actually play, unless you're really enamored of 2e's Gnome Illusionist take on Nosferatu.
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Daeren posted:Probably the abruptest change between 1e and 2e's rules for vampires are that 1e's sunlight damage rules will make any vampire detonate like a firecracker in a few seconds of sunlight, while 2e makes it less far less deadly on average. If I remember how it worked correctly, you take a number of dice in damage equal to your Blood Potence every Humanity turns or something. If you wear heavy clothing, you can reduce your effective Blood Potence by 1. So a BP 1 Vampire wearing heavy clothing can walk around in broad daylight without issue.
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LatwPIAT posted:If I remember how it worked correctly, you take a number of dice in damage equal to your Blood Potence every Humanity turns or something. If you wear heavy clothing, you can reduce your effective Blood Potence by 1. So a BP 1 Vampire wearing heavy clothing can walk around in broad daylight without issue. You'd still have to be awake though, right? Does 2E preserve 1E's rule that vamps go catatonic during daylight hours, barring a few very particular bloodlines? I know it was the case when I ran 1E Requiem for Rome a few years ago.
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Does anyone have any 'absolute must-have' supplements for Changeling: the Lost? I'm prepping to run a WW2 era cloak and dagger sort of thing, if that helps.
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zeal posted:You'd still have to be awake though, right? Does 2E preserve 1E's rule that vamps go catatonic during daylight hours, barring a few very particular bloodlines? I know it was the case when I ran 1E Requiem for Rome a few years ago. You can do a humanity roll to try and stay awake. I think there are rituals that keep you up, too
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Yep, humanity roll every hour to stay awake. You don't get any penalties when night-time comes around again.
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WereJace posted:Does anyone have any 'absolute must-have' supplements for Changeling: the Lost? I'm prepping to run a WW2 era cloak and dagger sort of thing, if that helps. Winter Masques has a ton of new kiths (Including several regional-folklore specific-ones), some new affinity contracts for seemings, and alternate court structures like the Directionals (Cool, playable) and Day and Night (Not so much on either.) It also has one version of the rules for Dual Kith.
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Grim Fears and Autumn Nightmares have lots of interesting villains (most of the Changeling ones are Fairest, however, which is kind of irritating since a different spectrum of antagonists would have been better IMO) but I don't know if I would call them must-haves.
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WereJace posted:Does anyone have any 'absolute must-have' supplements for Changeling: the Lost? I'm prepping to run a WW2 era cloak and dagger sort of thing, if that helps. I really like the goblin markets book.
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LatwPIAT posted:If I remember how it worked correctly, you take a number of dice in damage equal to your Blood Potence every Humanity turns or something. If you wear heavy clothing, you can reduce your effective Blood Potence by 1. So a BP 1 Vampire wearing heavy clothing can walk around in broad daylight without issue. The base damage is based on your Humanity, with anything 7+ dealing one lethal per "tick", and it going up from there. Funnily enough, if you can't spend vitae to heal for whatever reason, you die FASTER at Humanity 5 (3 lethal) than Humanity 4 (1 aggravated). The frequency with which you take damage is based on your BP, with 0 being "never" and 1-2 being 10 minutes, going up to 5x per turn at BP 10 Wearing super heavy clothing reduces your BP by 1, so a BP1 vampire could walk around in daylight if they're wearing a hazmat suit or something
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Kaza42 posted:The base damage is based on your Humanity, with anything 7+ dealing one lethal per "tick", and it going up from there. Funnily enough, if you can't spend vitae to heal for whatever reason, you die FASTER at Humanity 5 (3 lethal) than Humanity 4 (1 aggravated). The book isn't all that clear on whether "heavy clothing" means "HazMat suit" or "gloves, trenchcoat, sunglasses, and wide-brimmed hat" though, IIRC. It would probably have been clearer if they'd specified whether all the skin actually needs to be covered or not.
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LatwPIAT posted:The book isn't all that clear on whether "heavy clothing" means "HazMat suit" or "gloves, trenchcoat, sunglasses, and wide-brimmed hat" though, IIRC. It would probably have been clearer if they'd specified whether all the skin actually needs to be covered or not.
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LatwPIAT posted:The book isn't all that clear on whether "heavy clothing" means "HazMat suit" or "gloves, trenchcoat, sunglasses, and wide-brimmed hat" though, IIRC. It would probably have been clearer if they'd specified whether all the skin actually needs to be covered or not. Yeah, I was exaggerating there. I'd probably rule that a trenchoat, gloves, hat and glasses are about the level you'd need. Of course, people would think you were very suspicious for wearing that most of the time, but that's just another reason why Obfuscate 1 is so incredible.
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WereJace posted:Does anyone have any 'absolute must-have' supplements for Changeling: the Lost? I'm prepping to run a WW2 era cloak and dagger sort of thing, if that helps. I think Rites of Spring is probably most useful - it goes into a lot of great detail on oneiromancy (dream magic) and pledge-crafting, as well as really expanding on the thorns and how to do stuff in them. Winter Masques was cool for alternate settings, for going into a lot of detail on how seemings tend to work, and for additional kiths, but I don't know that it was as useful after character creation was done. Autumn Nightmares is a fantastic antagonist book, and great for coming up with cool, creepy ideas for plot and plot hooks. Dancers in the Dusk has a great chapter on dreams, more focused on running stories set in them, and has a bunch of cool stuff for the hedge; it's really the "for STs" equivalent of Rites of Spring. Swords at Dawn has a bunch of stuff on tale crafting, but the rules are a little meh - if you're really familiar with fairy tales and Joseph Campbell you can probably come up with a better system for when people go low clarity and start getting hooked on using fate to turn everything into a myth. My order would probably be: Rites of Spring Autumn Nightmares Dancers in the Dusk Winter Masques Everything Else
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So, this thread doubles periodically as my Clutch thread. Clutch's new album is coming out in October, which is awesome, but I thought I'd link you all to the single. It's on a music journo site but that's the easiest way to get to it. Clicky clicky. With what we know of Deviant - creatures made by the sinister experimentation of greater powers - it just so happens to fit thematically really well, right down to the kind of frenetic lunatic pace I imagine a lot of Deviant games are going to have. A good chunk of the album is apparently going to have a narrative with this sort of bizarre mad scientist sci-fi poo poo. Telekinetic prophetic dynamite!
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Rites of Spring is my favorite from a player side because it adds so many fun new Merits and Contracts to play with.Yessod posted:Swords at Dawn has a bunch of stuff on tale crafting, but the rules are a little meh - if you're really familiar with fairy tales and Joseph Campbell you can probably come up with a better system for when people go low clarity and start getting hooked on using fate to turn everything into a myth. The talecrafting chapter has the best opening fiction/art in the whole line and heavily informs how I run Changeling.
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Kaza42 posted:Yeah, I was exaggerating there. I'd probably rule that a trenchoat, gloves, hat and glasses are about the level you'd need. Of course, people would think you were very suspicious for wearing that most of the time, but that's just another reason why Obfuscate 1 is so incredible. I believe the criteria given is something that covers nearly everything but your eyes, so I think it'd be a step past that. So Darkman or bust.
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Loomer posted:With what we know of Deviant - creatures made by the sinister experimentation of greater powers - it just so happens to fit thematically really well, right down to the kind of frenetic lunatic pace I imagine a lot of Deviant games are going to have. A good chunk of the album is apparently going to have a narrative with this sort of bizarre mad scientist sci-fi poo poo. Telekinetic prophetic dynamite!
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Twibbit posted:I am still pretty sure he throws random words in there to fit whatever rhythm he has going on. Oh, absolutely. You can put narrative in Fallon's work, but he's still Fallon and he's still going to rant and rave like a lunatic in front of the mike.
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Yessod posted:I think Rites of Spring is probably most useful - it goes into a lot of great detail on oneiromancy (dream magic) and pledge-crafting, as well as really expanding on the thorns and how to do stuff in them. Winter Masques was cool for alternate settings, for going into a lot of detail on how seemings tend to work, and for additional kiths, but I don't know that it was as useful after character creation was done. Autumn Nightmares is a fantastic antagonist book, and great for coming up with cool, creepy ideas for plot and plot hooks. Dancers in the Dusk has a great chapter on dreams, more focused on running stories set in them, and has a bunch of cool stuff for the hedge; it's really the "for STs" equivalent of Rites of Spring. Swords at Dawn has a bunch of stuff on tale crafting, but the rules are a little meh - if you're really familiar with fairy tales and Joseph Campbell you can probably come up with a better system for when people go low clarity and start getting hooked on using fate to turn everything into a myth. Awesome, thank you to everyone for the suggestions!
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Man, I hope Talecrafting 2.0 is as awesome as I wanted 1.0 to be. The mechanics in Swords at Dawn just left me flat.
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