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Burkion posted:To be fair she has to follow in the footsteps of Nannasprite, who is one of the best characters in the comic. I.... think I like Caliborn more than Lord English?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I.... think I like Caliborn more than Lord English? And easily more than Calliope, as well.
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Aug 4, 2015 05:39
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I.... think I like Caliborn more than Lord English? I'm not sure if that counts in the same way. Lord English is Caliborn after all. Like, literally. Jane won't grow up to be Nannasprite Unless something goes really sideways
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Aug 4, 2015 05:39
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I like jake a lot and don't get there's so much hate for him. His biggest flaw is his friends treat him like a sex object and he doesn't know how to deal with it.
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Aug 4, 2015 05:47
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I like jake a lot and don't get there's so much hate for him. His biggest flaw is his friends treat him like a sex object and he doesn't know how to deal with it. Yeah I don't get people hating on the dude with self esteem issues and probably brain problems stemming from multiple blows to the head. Like the dude barely has any agency and spends most of his time in the comic getting manipulated or ogled. 'Depressing' is probably a good description.
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Aug 4, 2015 06:00
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Cabbit posted:Yeah I don't get people hating on the dude with self esteem issues and probably brain problems stemming from multiple blows to the head. Like the dude barely has any agency and spends most of his time in the comic getting manipulated or ogled. Don't forget groped. He gets groped a fair amount of the page time he occupies.
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Aug 4, 2015 06:02
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You literally described all the reasons he sucks, then stuck a question mark at the end of it as if "existing as a character-less plot device" doesn't adequately describe a bad character it doesn't help that he has no redeeming or interesting features, he's like the worst parts of Sollux, Tavros, and Eridan (three characters who all have their own massive character flaws that can make them difficult to read at times) combined basically when he's not a lovely moron enabling the plot he's incredibly bland a better question is what is to like about jake
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Aug 4, 2015 06:06
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Cabbit posted:Yeah I don't get people hating on the dude with self esteem issues and probably brain problems stemming from multiple blows to the head. Like the dude barely has any agency and spends most of his time in the comic getting manipulated or ogled. But enough about Mituna, let's talk about Jake.
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Aug 4, 2015 06:08
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oh man and now dirk's here too i really did forget how dirk is so flatly, aggressively, creepily introduced as "really wants to gently caress jake" and broaches it in the most passive-aggressive and pissant way possible i mean, this is some of his first ever lines: quote:TT: Take it easy, bromide. that's a dude you're supposed to like, he's eridan but more sexual and thus even creepier if that was even loving possible
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Aug 4, 2015 06:18
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Jake sometimes says words like the way an old man would say them and that's fun.
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Aug 4, 2015 06:18
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Toxxupation posted:You literally described all the reasons he sucks, then stuck a question mark at the end of it as if "existing as a character-less plot device" doesn't adequately describe a bad character people like shipping him with men
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Aug 4, 2015 06:19
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WAR FOOT posted:people like shipping him with men well yeah how else are you going to get the cargo bulk rate
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Aug 4, 2015 06:21
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The thing is, Dirk gets better. He realizes what a jerk he's been and he tries to make amends. If you reread the post-trickster pre-God-Tier section, Dirk apologizes to Jane, talks about what he admires about Roxy (and asks Jane to convey it), and regrets what he did to Jake. Jake doesn't own up to any of his own mistakes. DIrk is a manipulative jerk who tries to get better. Jake is a passive, self-centered (see poor Jane's birthday) victim who collapses into depression. One can see good qualities in Dirk that need to be encouraged. I can't say the same for Jake. John is loving and true and brings out the best in people. Dave is funny and (painfully) honest and tries to protect people. Dirk was raised by robots and is trying to become a better human being. Jake? Is a vacuum. He doesn't deserve Vriska, but who does?
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Aug 4, 2015 06:43
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Arsenic Lupin posted:He doesn't deserve Vriska, but who does? (Vriska)
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Aug 4, 2015 06:58
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So should Jake get better in the sequences to come would you revise your opinion of him? Toxxupation posted:i mean, it won't be, because soon i'll be at dirk orchestrating his friend's death for hot makeouts and other associated horrid bullshit but for the time being roxy being a drunken louse is p awesome I'll just note that you should pay attention to which actions are Dirk and which actions are Dirk's glasses (who is, admittedly, largely 13 year old him but with even more of a god complex) acting "for" him. They are separate though very closely related characters.
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Aug 4, 2015 06:58
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whowhatwhere posted:So should Jake get better in the sequences to come would you revise your opinion of him? sure, but i quit the first time because i realized i hated literally everything that was happening, especially aranea's interminable goddamn monologues about bullshit but also everything to do with the alpha kids that wasn't roxy and calliope's dumb smug nonanswer nonsense i mean, act 6 was so loving bad at the point i quit (which was somewhere in the middle of aranea's dreambubble horseshit, i think) that it made me quit a comic i had, previously, done such bullshit as madly refresh it for 2 goddamn hours on the night cascade premiered, staying up in the middle of the night to get that flash loaded, a comic i had followed for threeish years religiously
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Aug 4, 2015 07:06
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Aug 4, 2015 07:08
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But Dirk stating that he's an rear end in a top hat isn't a change, nor is it an indication that that he plans to change later. He's basically says "I'm a jerk who's done awful poo poo because that's just the kind of guy I am." So he's accepted the fact that his actions are bad, but not that he has control over those actions and that he needs to make a personal effort to change so he can stop doing bad things in the future. This negative and unhealthy view of himself is also colors how he treats Hal "he's bad because I'm bad, there was no hope of him ever being good" which both takes away Hal's agency and stops Dirk from having to acknowledge that Hal might have been better if he had treated him better, because if Hal can change that mean Dirk can change and Dirk doesn't believe he can change.
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Aug 4, 2015 07:12
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But on the plus side there's a cool video where he goes flying around on his rocket board and a series of posts with Caliborn where they draw hot smut. Totally worth it.
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Aug 4, 2015 08:15
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team overhead smash posted:But on the plus side there's a cool video where he goes flying around on his rocket board and a series of posts with Caliborn where they draw hot smut. True, his conversations with Caliborn are brilliant. Here's a fun thought: The original Dirk and the original Caliborn are both dead, so there's a chance they can meet up in the afterlife. Wonder how that would play out.
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Aug 4, 2015 08:22
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Toxxupation posted:sure, but i quit the first time because i realized i hated literally everything that was happening, especially aranea's interminable goddamn monologues about bullshit but also everything to do with the alpha kids that wasn't roxy and calliope's dumb smug nonanswer nonsense Area gets better. So, so much better. Dirk is still horseshit.
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Aug 4, 2015 08:27
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I think I'd wear this shirt. I mean, it's pretty homestuck, but I think it works even if you know nothing about the comic.
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Aug 4, 2015 08:31
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Toxxupation posted:sure, but i quit the first time because i realized i hated literally everything that was happening, especially aranea's interminable goddamn monologues about bullshit but also everything to do with the alpha kids that wasn't roxy and calliope's dumb smug nonanswer nonsense Just remember that no one's actually making you do this and you can quit any time you want.
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I know a guy who unironically loves early Act 6 Dirk, because Dirk reminds him of himself.
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Attestant posted:I know a guy who unironically loves early Act 6 Dirk, because Dirk reminds him of himself. how many swords does he own
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Aug 4, 2015 12:12
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Attestant posted:I know a guy who unironically loves early Act 6 Dirk, because Dirk reminds him of himself. Splinters. And if Toxx venting is what gives him enough propulsion to get through the early acts then by all means. The first quarter or so of Act 6 is truly, legitimately bad and the only stretch where I'd argue that Hussie didn't know what he was doing.
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Aug 4, 2015 12:16
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Attestant posted:I know a guy who unironically loves early Act 6 Dirk, because Dirk reminds him of himself. Reminds me of a girl I saw on Tumblr who, before reading the comic, thought Vriska must be really nice because all her friends said she was just like her.
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Attestant posted:I know a guy who unironically loves early Act 6 Dirk, because Dirk reminds him of himself. He's an irredeemable oval office?
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WAR FOOT posted:He's an irredeemable oval office? pretty much, would probably register on most tests for sociopathy (edit) you know I used to love this comic just about until act 6. that's when a) the comic went to poo poo and b) this dude picked it up and we wre the only irl acquaintances that both read it, so I had a lot of fun conversations about this. post Retcon-John stuff has done a lot to redeem the comic for me, tbh. It's been kinda fun again. Attestant fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Aug 4, 2015 13:37
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If we're discussing why people like or dislike Dirk, Jake and Jane I think it's worth taking a moment to focus on the difference between characters we like because they're likeable or sympathetic, and characters we like because they're fun. Jake and Jane are both meant to be sympathetic (and often pitiable), but they're not very fun or proactive. Dirk is active and poo poo happens when he's around, but he's just too much of an rear end in a top hat to enjoy since he doesn't have Caliborn's freedom as a villain (this conversation with Dave did a lot to make Dirk more likeable). Roxy wins the jackpot by being both likeable and fun, with lots of shenanigans while also taking steps to help her friends and improve herself. It's the same old problem with passive Calliope and active Caliborn, people just like a character that makes poo poo happen more than they like someone who's just an object or prop in the story meant to evoke pity. Dolash fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Aug 4, 2015 15:44
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Dolash posted:If we're discussing why people like or dislike Dirk, Jake and Jane I think it's worth taking a moment to focus on the difference between characters we like because they're likeable or sympathetic, and characters we like because they're fun. Jake and Jane are both meant to be sympathetic (and often pitiable), but they're not very fun or proactive. Dirk is active and poo poo happens when he's around, but he's just too much of an rear end in a top hat to enjoy since he doesn't have Caliborn's freedom as a villain (this conversation with Dave did a lot to make Dirk more likeable).
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Aug 4, 2015 15:54
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Dirk is fun to have around because he's funny. Striders being obnoxious is always worth the price of admission. Roxy is also funny in her own way. Jake and Jane are straightforward, which ehhh. Right, then we're agreed. Okay, everyone break for lunch, see you back here in an hour.
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Aug 4, 2015 15:57
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Dolash posted:Right, then we're agreed. Okay, everyone break for lunch, see you back here in an hour. Will the Omegapause be over by then?
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Aug 4, 2015 15:58
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Aug 4, 2015 16:27
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The omegapause hasn't even officially started if you think about it.
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ed: nvm
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Aug 4, 2015 16:44
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I've noticed that most of the classpect assignments work because they're descriptions of both the player's strengths and their weaknesses. Rose, the Seer of Light, could name "general air of omniscience" as both her best trait and her worst. John's trickstery disconnection from anything that may be happening around him is both a huge asset and a huge frustration to everybody who knows him. Somewhat more on topic, Jake's number one trait as Page of Hope is that at any moment he might become cool and important. I think this kind of says it all.
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Blackheart posted:The omegapause hasn't even officially started if you think about it. This is Hussie's trick This is his ultimate test The Omegapause can never end if it never begins The pause before the Omegapause will stretch to eternity so that it will never start so it will never cease and Homestuck will never end This is how Homestuck outlives us all
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man once the first intermission in act 6 happens the quality is just night and fuckin' day hey look at these boring alpha shitheads bein awful, oh wait now it's jade and john all god-tier talkin to one another this is great why can't the whole act be just this
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Just wait Just wait You'll get your teentalk time Oh yes you will
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