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chaosapiant posted:Anyone else care to throw down the gauntlet and declare this the best game ever made? Because that's what I'm doing right now. It's pretty much my favorite RPG ever. I don't like to compare between genres, but it's a contender for best game ever made, I think. Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I'm at the point in the story where I have completed the main questline in Skellige, and I have to go back to velen to talk to the Baron. How far am I into the main story? 60% or so? Depends on how you pace things.
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Genre lines are a little blurry, but its definitely the best RPG if souls games don't count as RPGs. I don't think I'll ever play a bethesda snoozefest again - obsidian games are sometimes good but not as good as this. It probably suffices for me to say this game has the best writing/storytelling of any game I've ever played, and that's especially true at the microscale during individual, seemingly-inconsequential quests.
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Aug 4, 2015 20:09
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chaosapiant posted:Anyone else care to throw down the gauntlet and declare this the best game ever made? Because that's what I'm doing right now. I'll definitely call it the best "open world RPG" I've played and among the top few overall, it's hard to compare across genres. Certainly sets a very high bar for upcoming RPGs.
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Aug 4, 2015 20:09
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This is definitely one of the best RPGs I've ever played. Still gonna guy Bethesda/Obsidian etc. games because Cyberpunk 2077 isn't coming out until like 2017 right?
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Aug 4, 2015 20:12
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I'll still buy Obsidian games, they're different enough to scratch an itch TW3 doesn't entirely manage even if I think it's better overall. TW3 has killed Bethesda games for me though.
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Aug 4, 2015 20:14
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Serf posted:This is definitely one of the best RPGs I've ever played. Still gonna guy Bethesda/Obsidian etc. games because Cyberpunk 2077 isn't coming out until like 2017 right? I really hope it comes out that soon.  I can't wait to see Cyber-Ciri!
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Aug 4, 2015 20:15
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chaosapiant posted:I really hope it comes out that soon. I hope that they take the source material and turn it into something good. I love the original RPGs but they were a really goofy at times. And the third edition was... not good. But CDPR has the chops to make a good game out of them, this game has convinced me of that.
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Aug 4, 2015 20:18
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Everything else that owns in the storytelling department aside - it's just refreshing to have NPCs that are actual characters with psychological profiles with stories built specifically FOR them and they're not just walking mouthpieces carrying information for the player like in every Bethesda game.
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Aug 4, 2015 20:19
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Palpek posted:Everything else that owns in the storytelling department aside - it's just refreshing to have NPCs that are actual characters with psychological profiles with stories built specifically FOR them and they're not just walking mouthpieces carrying information for the player like in every Bethesda game. Yeah, the writing, storytelling and just the bonkers way missions unfold and then affect things later are what make this game really special. Never seen anything even close to it.
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Palpek posted:Everything else that owns in the storytelling department aside - it's just refreshing to have NPCs that are actual characters with psychological profiles with stories built specifically FOR them and they're not just walking mouthpieces carrying information for the player like in every Bethesda game. They also have their own motives and poo poo and aren't just there for the player self insert to oppose or gain support from as part of a power fantasy, like in every Bioware game.
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chaosapiant posted:Anyone else care to throw down the gauntlet and declare this the best game ever made? Because that's what I'm doing right now. I did that after playing like 10 hours and then doubled down on it a week later after I beat the game.
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Aug 4, 2015 20:40
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It's really telling of the game's quality that being so full of bugs and glitches hasn't stopped it from being many people's #1 RPG of recent history. There's so many things that would turn other games from mediocre to bad, but Wild Hunt is just so good that event with the warts and all it's great.
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Aug 4, 2015 20:44
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Yeah this is by far the best RPG I've ever played. Also Geralt is actually kinda cute in a silver fox way But he actually emotes! Like, his face shows actual emotions! That's insane
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The Sharmat posted:They also have their own motives and poo poo and aren't just there for the player self insert to oppose or gain support from as part of a power fantasy, like in every Bioware game. And when you meet someone that Geralt has known for years then it actually feels that way. So refreshing to play a character with some real history to it instead of another player created nobody with no meaningful past or established relationships to speak of.
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The Sharmat posted:They also have their own motives and poo poo and aren't just there for the player self insert to oppose or gain support from as part of a power fantasy, like in every Bioware game. I felt this keenly when I realized that every instance of Yennifer or Avallac'h not telling Geralt what was up made sense. Satisfying Geralt's curiosity wouldn't have changed anything and they had better things to do.
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The Iron Rose posted:Yeah this is by far the best RPG I've ever played. I'll never understand people who say Geralt is an emotionless dudebro in this game. I guess people are used to the writing shouting what emotion the character is supposed to be feeling at the player, rather than just showing it through acting and body language. Senjuro posted:And when you meet someone that Geralt has known for years then it actually feels that way. So refreshing to play a character with some real history to it instead of another player created nobody with no meaningful past or established relationships to speak of. Yeah. I'm not looking forward to going back to player created character games after this, if they're at all story driven. Superstring posted:I felt this keenly when I realized that every instance of Yennifer or Avallac'h not telling Geralt what was up made sense. Satisfying Geralt's curiosity wouldn't have changed anything and they had better things to do. In Avallac'h's case, it would have actually hurt his goals pretty badly.
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The Sharmat posted:Professional killers give Geralt poo poo all the time in the books, too. Speaking of the books... I finally reached the part where Geralt fights the Zeugl waist-deep in sewage. 
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Fighting the zeugl in waist deep sewage is the least unpleasant part of that short story, for Geralt.
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My favorite thing is the general concept of the premise. Geralt is a man's man, problem solver, engineer, skilled tradesman. He doesn't work for free, he is a professional and knows his craft. It's really funny how all of the things he knows about monsters are obviously facts, and any superstitions he doesn't know about are obviously made up bullshit. But he's not always 100% right about this. While he's kind of a male fantasy insert, these things aren't portrayed as simply a good thing. Like, the books and the games don't say "Geralt is awesome because he bangs lots of chicks and doesn't put of with any hocus pocus bullshit" it just puts him in this world with other people. Sorceresses embody a female stereotype as well, emotionally manipulative, scheming, self-centered. But they are this way because they are sorceresses, not because they are women. Non-sorceress women aren't bound by stereotypes. It's a really clever way to address gender roles and stereotypes without necessarily endorsing them or being sexist. Ciri is an absolutely fantastic character. She might seem underdeveloped, because, compared to a lot of other characters, she has less dialogue and a "shallower" story. But what's great about her is she acts like an adult, planning for her goals and making choices based on her abilities. It's insane how much you can see Geralt and Yen's influences on her, and how she isn't a carbon copy of either of them but rather has learned lifestyle habits from both of them. Watching the dysfunctional family of main characters interacting is some of the most human poo poo in any video game ever. The Last of Us played around with this sort of thing, but it was much, much simpler. The Last of Us was a well executed story about two characters and the very specific nature of their relationship. Wild Hunt isn't just about that, it's about it's about the influences that have made each person they way they are. Geralt's relationship with Ciri doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's also in the context of Geralt's relationship with Vesemir. Yennifer, who often acts based solely on her own goals, but want to support Ciri, seems a bit stuck because prioritizing someone's else's goals because you love them does not come naturally to her. It's just loving great.
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It's weird how I think almost everything you said about Geralt and Yennefer is wrong but I still like the game for the same reasons. Maybe it means they're complicated and well realized or something.
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The Sharmat posted:It's weird how I think almost everything you said about Geralt and Yennefer is wrong but I still like the game for the same reasons. I'm curious why you think I'm wrong about Geralt. Yennifer I understand being wrong about because I don't know very much about the character.
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My hope is that Bethesda realizes that what they've produced in the elder scrolls universe isn't going to cut it anymore, that the bar has been set way higher. It's be nice to see a game company go "challenge accepted" and try to match. But who the gently caress am I kidding right?
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Ice Fist posted:My hope is that Bethesda realizes that what they've produced in the elder scrolls universe isn't going to cut it anymore, that the bar has been set way higher. It's be nice to see a game company go "challenge accepted" and try to match. But who the gently caress am I kidding right? Better RPGs than the Elder Scrolls have always existed and yet each new installment seems to be more popular than the last. I don't see Bethesda changing much anytime soon.
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Snak posted:I'm curious why you think I'm wrong about Geralt. Yennifer I understand being wrong about because I don't know very much about the character. Geralt's only a womanizer if you play him that way. I think it's lingering mistaken sentiment from TW1. He's actually kind of a brooder and pseudo-intellectual. I wouldn't describe him as a "man's man" or a male fantasy insert. Also in general their family dynamic with Ciri is quite functional, not dysfunctional. The dysfunction is the environment, not Geralt, Yennefer, and Ciri's relation to each other. They're quite good parents to her, really. Though to an extent that depends on the choices you have Geralt make. The Sharmat fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Ice Fist posted:My hope is that Bethesda realizes that what they've produced in the elder scrolls universe isn't going to cut it anymore, that the bar has been set way higher. It's be nice to see a game company go "challenge accepted" and try to match. But who the gently caress am I kidding right? Witcher 3 makes me want them to make a western game.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Witcher 3 makes me want them to make a western game. eh, Rockstar just needs to make a new RDR with the GTAV engine and that'll be plenty good for me. CDPR needs to get cracking on Witcher 4 RIGHT NOW and whatever that cyberpunk game is gonna be. that'll prob be cool too
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poopzilla posted:eh, Rockstar just needs to make a new RDR with the GTAV engine and that'll be plenty good for me. At this point im figuring rockstar is never doing another red dead so my dreams have shifted.
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Serf posted:This is definitely one of the best RPGs I've ever played. Still gonna guy Bethesda/Obsidian etc. games because Cyberpunk 2077 isn't coming out until like 2017 right? Ice Fist posted:My hope is that Bethesda realizes that what they've produced in the elder scrolls universe isn't going to cut it anymore, that the bar has been set way higher. It's be nice to see a game company go "challenge accepted" and try to match. But who the gently caress am I kidding right?
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Bort Bortles posted:Pretty sure Skyrim sold more copies in its first two months than Witcher 3 has and has sold more copies than Witcher 3 ever will so I doubt Bethesda will care at all. http://steamspy.com/app/292030 http://steamspy.com/app/72850
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Just release a Witcher 3 remake with John Marston replacing Geralt, that'll solve your western wishes.
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hopterque posted:I did that after playing like 10 hours and then doubled down on it a week later after I beat the game. I didn't play W1, and I made it maybe a third of the way through W2 because I didn't enjoy the combat. Does that mean W3 would be a bad choice for me?
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Senjuro posted:Better RPGs than the Elder Scrolls have always existed and yet each new installment seems to be more popular than the last. I don't see Bethesda changing much anytime soon. I'm honestly curious: What AAA RPG titles would you list as better than the TES titles? I guess I don't play a ton of RPGs outside of the Witcher series. I played the poo poo out of modded oblivion, but never finished Skyrim.
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The Sharmat posted:Geralt's only a womanizer if you play him that way. I think it's lingering mistaken sentiment from TW1. He's actually kind of a brooder and pseudo-intellectual. I wouldn't describe him as a "man's man" or a male fantasy insert. Ah. Maybe my choice of words was poor. I did not intend "Man's man" to mean womanizing. But he's literally the strong, skilled, knowledgeable, takes care of his tools, blue-collar type guy. Doesn't like formal-wear. He's everything that a hard-working manual laborer wants to see in themselves. He's also old and experienced, but a child a heart and perma-silver-fox good-looking. And yeah, he is pensive and pseudo-intellectual. Geralt and Ciri seem pretty functional, Yen and Ciri are probably functional, Geralt and Yen are pretty dysfunctional. Geralt and Vesemir and his brothers, dysfunctional, Yen and the lodge? dysfunctional. Ciri is the baby that hold the family together. And when I say "dysfunctional" I don't mean that they don't care and they don't try, I just mean that they all have a lot of baggage and a lot of conflicts due to their lifestyle. Even if you play W3 so that Geralt is loyal to Yen 100%, they are like a couple that lives in different houses in different states that are both freelance government contractors who don't compare business notes until their the realize midway through their jobs that their plans overlap. edit: Ice Fist posted:I'm honestly curious: What AAA RPG titles would you list as better than the TES titles? I guess I don't play a ton of RPGs outside of the Witcher series. I played the poo poo out of modded oblivion, but never finished Skyrim. Fable games are garbage, the Fallout franchise is better than TES but obviously very similar. Snak fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Dick Trauma posted:I didn't play W1, and I made it maybe a third of the way through W2 because I didn't enjoy the combat. Does that mean W3 would be a bad choice for me? Have you played bloodborne? Witcher 3 is basically easier bloodborne, with additional mechanics like buffs to your sword and skills. Compared to W2 it is smoother, easier to pick up, and midway through the game gets relatively easy, especially if you take certain skills while leveling.
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Dick Trauma posted:I didn't play W1, and I made it maybe a third of the way through W2 because I didn't enjoy the combat. Does that mean W3 would be a bad choice for me? I struggled through W1, gave up on W2 about the same time you did, and I'm loving Witcher 3 so far. The combat is IMO still not great, but nowhere near the level of W2's fuckery. Once you get a few levels under your belt and learn how to fight drowners things get way better. I recommend this game based on the face that everything else is so drat good.
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Dick Trauma posted:I didn't play W1, and I made it maybe a third of the way through W2 because I didn't enjoy the combat. Does that mean W3 would be a bad choice for me? The combat is significantly better in this, like, way, way better. Get this game. e: It is seriously, out of the last ten years, the game that will probably be most revered as a future classic. It's incredible and shouldn't be missed by anyone, in my opinion.
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Snak posted:Ah. Maybe my choice of words was poor. I did not intend "Man's man" to mean womanizing. But he's literally the strong, skilled, knowledgeable, takes care of his tools, blue-collar type guy. Doesn't like formal-wear. He's everything that a hard-working manual laborer wants to see in themselves. He's also old and experienced, but a child a heart and perma-silver-fox good-looking. And yeah, he is pensive and pseudo-intellectual. I don't really get that vibe from Geralt and Yen at all. They're more just a couple that has been together for ages and know when and when not to rib each other. Unless you play Geralt as not knowing how to do that. Then there's conflict, yeah. Yen and the Lodge aren't supposed to be functional. They're not allies. They hate each other.
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Dick Trauma posted:I didn't play W1, and I made it maybe a third of the way through W2 because I didn't enjoy the combat. Does that mean W3 would be a bad choice for me? This was me and this game is insanely amazing.
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The Sharmat posted:I don't really get that vibe from Geralt and Yen at all. They're more just a couple that has been together for ages and know when and when not to rib each other. Unless you play Geralt as not knowing how to do that. Then there's conflict, yeah. quote:Yen and the Lodge aren't supposed to be functional. They're not allies. They hate each other. Snak fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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chaosapiant posted:Anyone else care to throw down the gauntlet and declare this the best game ever made? Because that's what I'm doing right now. It's funny you say this because the other night I was googling to see who else would agree with that assertion. It's certainly my favorite of all time. I am just flabbergasted by the number of people out there that still think Ocarina was the best game ever and can never be beat.  The conversation is almost always BUT Z-TARGETING!!! (which it didn't do first, despite what everyone thinks) JetsGuy fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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