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pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


Mofabio posted:

Totally off-topic, but for a CFD novice, how much trouble can I get into running fine fine mesh DNS on OpenFOAM? Laminar flows of basically Newtonian fluids in small-scale mixers (interFoam)? Not a programmer, not a meshing expert, I basically wanna know if I'm wasting my time or not. I'm trying to determine delta-P and mixing efficiency (worst case, because no diffusion). edit: assuming you do CFD, but I realize it might be piping networks.

edit also: I know what you mean about certain regs. Not a republican, but I work in a GMP pharma plant, and the regulations are ridiculous: it takes 2 months of paperwork and 15 signatures to add printer paper to certain validated printers. Not even kidding. There's so drat much bureaucratic fat to trim if we went to a less-than-40-hour workweek, and that's not even getting into the corporate bureaucracy of performance evaluations, HR, et al.

drat...I guess I don't understand this whole "early retirement" thing as well as I thought :sigh:

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Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Mofabio posted:

Totally off-topic, but for a CFD novice, how much trouble can I get into running fine fine mesh DNS on OpenFOAM? Laminar flows of basically Newtonian fluids in small-scale mixers (interFoam)? Not a programmer, not a meshing expert, I basically wanna know if I'm wasting my time or not. I'm trying to determine delta-P and mixing efficiency (worst case, because no diffusion). edit: assuming you do CFD, but I realize it might be piping networks.

edit also: I know what you mean about certain regs. Not a republican, but I work in a GMP pharma plant, and the regulations are ridiculous: it takes 2 months of paperwork and 15 signatures to add printer paper to certain validated printers. Not even kidding. There's so drat much bureaucratic fat to trim if we went to a less-than-40-hour workweek, and that's not even getting into the corporate bureaucracy of performance evaluations, HR, et al.

I've done part of a chemical and process engineering degree to qualify for another degree. So my knowledge of how accurate OpenFOAM will be for the specific case is limited.

The CFD work that I do is large scale simulations of building fires. It's sufficiently accurate for what I do but I am still aware that some results are coarse and probably conservative in approach. More specifically I use LES because DNS would be likely to take a impractical amount of time. I'm often using 550k+ cells and moving 10's of cubic meters of air. If your simulation has a lot less cells you might be ok. It comes down to how long you have to try this out (allow a lot of time for troubleshooting the model and get someone to review it).

pig slut lisa posted:

drat...I guess I don't understand this whole "early retirement" thing as well as I thought :sigh:

You can only know true joy in retirement when you understand partial differential equations and fluid dynamics.

Here's a course to help out. https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-aerodynamics-mitx-16-101x-0

Devian666 fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Aug 3, 2015

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


My wife is a fluvial geomorphologist so I'm hoping she remembers enough of her fluid dynamics coursework by the time we want to retire :pray:

Mofabio
May 15, 2003
(y - mx)*(1/(inf))*(PV/RT)*(2.718)*(V/I)

pig slut lisa posted:

My wife is a fluvial geomorphologist so I'm hoping she remembers enough of her fluid dynamics coursework by the time we want to retire :pray:

I'm sure it'll all come flowing back

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Devian666 posted:

It's etymology not a philosophical argument. There's no point arguing about a definition that fell out of use 250-300 years ago.

It was as if millions of philisophy, polsci, economy and anthropology majors cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. :v:

Mofabio
May 15, 2003
(y - mx)*(1/(inf))*(PV/RT)*(2.718)*(V/I)

Xoidanor posted:

It was as if millions of philisophy, polsci, economy and anthropology majors cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. :v:

From what I've read (again not an expert), serious anti-work thinking only really happens in anarchism. Every once and a while, a liberal writes an incredibly dumb essay about "the end of work", as if the last 80 years of productivity improvements led to any work reductions in the US, at all, except involuntary ones.

Socialists/liberals sometimes support paid leave (moreso now than before the recession), but it's usually sold in terms of productivity improvements from rest, or public health in terms of paid sick leave, or healthier/smarter babies from mat/paternity leave. The value of work itself isn't questioned by liberals/socialists except to haggle over its price.

It's pretty funny to me that, anarchism's so discredited, that probably the internet's most popular anarchist blogger doesn't know he's an anarchist.

Mofabio fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Aug 3, 2015

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
When it comes to jobs disappearing I think of jobs that disappeared about 50 years ago. Typing pools disappeared, room fulls of book keepers disappeared and hand drafting drawings disappeared. All we ended up with is more people doing roles that used to be individual jobs. With the coming age of automation it will happen again. It makes me wonder what the solution is to the apparent new flow of productive work that needs to go on. Perhaps we need more philosophers and economists to consider this problem so that they can get student loans to heavily inflate the financial sector.

VorpalFish
Mar 22, 2007
reasonably awesometm

I'm currently trying to retire in ~10 years using a Roth conversion ladder to unlock earnings in a 401k. This is a relatively recent plan brought on by changes to my company 401k plan, and up until this point I had been maxing Roth ira contributions. I'm wondering if I should now switch to traditional ira contributions because as far as I know there's no practical way to get Roth growth out penalty free. That way I can convert from that as well and be able to tap growth as well as principal until 5 years prior to withdrawal.

Is this a good idea? Also, income reduction from 401k contribution should apply for the purposes of being eligible to deduct tira contributions, and you can still take that with the standard deduction, correct?

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Mofabio posted:

I confess I don't know the many factions of anarchism or the left in general, but it seems like there are a lot of people calling themselves anarchists who are making the same connections that MMM does (work boring/painful, work causes environmental destruction).
Some of the thoughts on lifestyle are the same, yeah, but I haven't seen MMM advocating for a stateless society, which is the core of anarchism.

Mofabio
May 15, 2003
(y - mx)*(1/(inf))*(PV/RT)*(2.718)*(V/I)

Cicero posted:

Some of the thoughts on lifestyle are the same, yeah, but I haven't seen MMM advocating for a stateless society, which is the core of anarchism.

Fair, yeah. I kind of suspect that he's fine with high-earners being free from work, and fine with low-earners having to work - even though his and anarchist criticisms of work apply to both. And I suspect he'll justify this view with something like, well, you have to "earn" your retirement though hard work and self-sacrifice.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Mofabio posted:

Fair, yeah. I kind of suspect that he's fine with high-earners being free from work, and fine with low-earners having to work - even though his and anarchist criticisms of work apply to both. And I suspect he'll justify this view with something like, well, you have to "earn" your retirement though hard work and self-sacrifice.
Uh oh, scare quotes!

This is getting dangerously off-topic, but I'm curious as to what you're saying the anarchist alternative is. In an ideal anarchist world, everyone would be FI and free from work, because...? What exactly is the replacement for people earning an early retirement by working and saving?

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
I went into work today, asking for a reduction to 4 days a week (every Friday off ). They offer me $60k to stay full time another year. I'm technically FI now due to a crazy couple of years with bonuses, but I took it anyways because I don't hate working there and the bonus works out to a ridiculous salary.

Moral: ask for what you want like you have nothing to lose.

root of all eval
Dec 28, 2002

baquerd posted:

I went into work today, asking for a reduction to 4 days a week (every Friday off ). They offer me $60k to stay full time another year. I'm technically FI now due to a crazy couple of years with bonuses, but I took it anyways because I don't hate working there and the bonus works out to a ridiculous salary.

Moral: ask for what you want like you have nothing to lose.

60k as an on-the-top bonus? To stay 1 year? Woah.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

BossRighteous posted:

60k as an on-the-top bonus? To stay 1 year? Woah.
Not to stay 1 year. To stay 1 year full-time instead of 80% time. So 60k for ~50 days of work.

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Cicero posted:

Not to stay 1 year. To stay 1 year full-time instead of 80% time. So 60k for ~50 days of work.

Yep. Told them I needed to think it over of course, but hard to turn that down.

Mofabio
May 15, 2003
(y - mx)*(1/(inf))*(PV/RT)*(2.718)*(V/I)

baquerd posted:

Yep. Told them I needed to think it over of course, but hard to turn that down.

Dude that's awesome. Unsung benefit of FI: more negotiating power.

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Mofabio posted:

Dude that's awesome. Unsung benefit of FI: more negotiating power.

I feel like this is often missed. It's not that I don't want to work per se, just that I don't want to need to work.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

VorpalFish posted:

I'm currently trying to retire in ~10 years using a Roth conversion ladder to unlock earnings in a 401k. This is a relatively recent plan brought on by changes to my company 401k plan, and up until this point I had been maxing Roth ira contributions. I'm wondering if I should now switch to traditional ira contributions because as far as I know there's no practical way to get Roth growth out penalty free. That way I can convert from that as well and be able to tap growth as well as principal until 5 years prior to withdrawal.

It sounds like you've probably already considered and excluded them, but any way of using the educational expenses (you or spouse) or first-time home-buyer credit?

poopinmymouth
Mar 2, 2005

PROUD 2 B AMERICAN (these colors don't run)

Cicero posted:

Uh oh, scare quotes!

This is getting dangerously off-topic, but I'm curious as to what you're saying the anarchist alternative is. In an ideal anarchist world, everyone would be FI and free from work, because...? What exactly is the replacement for people earning an early retirement by working and saving?

Well it's more than just anarchist, but some people (myself included) believe that every human should have a certain set of base standards simply because they are alive and a fellow human and we have the ability to do so. I mean, isn't this veering into "why should we keep a quadriplegic person alive if they can't contribute to society?"

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
Stephen Hawking contributes to society :colbert:

VorpalFish
Mar 22, 2007
reasonably awesometm

Pompous Rhombus posted:

It sounds like you've probably already considered and excluded them, but any way of using the educational expenses (you or spouse) or first-time home-buyer credit?

Educational expenses are a no. The first time home buyer may be an option, which I believe allows access to up to 10k in growth penalty free, but I'm unsure if purchasing a house fits in my plans.


I need to preserve enough capital between non tax advantaged accounts and Roth ira principal to survive for 5 years before the ladder kicks in which makes the down payment hard. I'm currently paying 680 a month in rent and realistically would be looking at 300k minimum for a condo, so at least 60 down to buy which would basically wipe out all my non tax deferred accounts.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

poopinmymouth posted:

Well it's more than just anarchist, but some people (myself included) believe that every human should have a certain set of base standards simply because they are alive and a fellow human and we have the ability to do so. I mean, isn't this veering into "why should we keep a quadriplegic person alive if they can't contribute to society?"
I was asking that specifically because I was curious as to what mechanism anarchists would propose to provide for people, considering they don't believe in having a state.

poopinmymouth
Mar 2, 2005

PROUD 2 B AMERICAN (these colors don't run)

Cicero posted:

I was asking that specifically because I was curious as to what mechanism anarchists would propose to provide for people, considering they don't believe in having a state.

Ah, got it.

MJBuddy
Sep 22, 2008

Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

Cicero posted:

I was asking that specifically because I was curious as to what mechanism anarchists would propose to provide for people, considering they don't believe in having a state.

Governance =/= Government.


Stateless pirates provided workers comp for lost limbs. It's not impossible.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

MJBuddy posted:

Governance =/= Government.

Stateless pirates provided workers comp for lost limbs. It's not impossible.
How much workers comp? For what period of time? What percentage of pirates who lost limbs did this happen for?

But seriously, I don't doubt that providing for the needy could happen some of the time in some stateless societies. I just seriously doubt it would happen at anywhere close to the same rates it currently happens in modern developed countries.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
It smells to me very much like "stop taxing the rich, and let them donate to the causes they believe in!" Which definitely did not happen after the gigantic tax breaks they got in the past few decades.

RussianBear
Sep 14, 2003

I am become death, the destroyer of worlds
There's definitely some overlap between financial independence and grid independence. Is alternating current bad with money?

http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331

My favorite part is food chat.

quote:

I buy my staple food online like a civilized person. It takes me mere seconds to order enough soylent for a month, and version 2.0 does not require any preparation, so I got rid of my noisy blender. At less than $2.50 / meal it also saves me loads of cash, and I appreciate the use of more soy and less rice, finally bringing a nutritionally optimal PDCAAS score of 1.0 while improving the taste and especially texture. I also think it’s crazy cool that some of the ingredients are made by algae rather than water-guzzling pesticide-spraying farms.

Next, I switched from beer to red wine. I buy with Saucey so I don’t have to use awful retail stores. Decent red wine is surprisingly cheap, pleasurable, and does not require refrigeration. I also end up drinking less liquid overall, meaning fewer bottles to throw away (I average about one trashbag / month) and fewer trips to the bathroom, meaning for a comparable amount of alcohol, when wine is consumed instead of beer there is less electrolyte loss and less after effects.

For coffee and tea I use a butane stove. It is much cheaper and more energy efficient than a Keurig, which can use $160 of electricity / year. It doesn’t waste endless non-recyclable “K-Cups” and I find heats water about as fast. Also fire is much more beautiful than blinking LEDs.

With no fridge, no dishes, no microwave, no oven, no range, no dishwasher, no utensils, no pests, no cleaning products nor dirty rags, my life is considerably simpler, lighter and cleaner than before. I think it was a bit presumptuous for the architect to assume I wanted a kitchen with my apartment and make me pay for it. My home is a place of peace. I don’t want to live with red hot heating elements and razor sharp knives. That sounds like a torture chamber. However, it’s not a total loss. I was able to use the cabinets to store part of my book collection.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Nail Rat posted:

It smells to me very much like "stop taxing the rich, and let them donate to the causes they believe in!" Which definitely did not happen after the gigantic tax breaks they got in the past few decades.

Yes it did! Just turns out they really believe in causes like opera, ballet and big buildings at universities with their name on it.

Unglamorous causes always lose out. Even ordinary folk would rather donate to cute charities that support sick kids or abandoned animals. No one at all wants to give to charities for drug addicts or mentally ill homeless. They just don't look good on posters.

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

Laughing at the idea that $2.50 for a serving for nutritional paste is a good deal

I guess it's ok if you want to actively avoid one of the most primal pleasures humans can experience, though

the littlest prince
Sep 23, 2006


Oh my, that's a goddamned gem.

Not a Children posted:

Laughing at the idea that $2.50 for a serving for nutritional paste is a good deal

I guess it's ok if you want to actively avoid one of the most primal pleasures humans can experience, though

When you're comparing to restaurant food and poor grocery store choices, that's a steal!

But seriously, I wonder what he is actually comparing to.

Series DD Funding
Nov 25, 2014

by exmarx

the littlest prince posted:

Oh my, that's a goddamned gem.


When you're comparing to restaurant food and poor grocery store choices, that's a steal!

But seriously, I wonder what he is actually comparing to.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/05/25/technology/in-busy-silicon-valley-protein-powder-is-in-demand.html?referrer=

quote:

Soylent, Schmilk and some others typically taste like bland, gritty pancake batter. But never mind that, since the meal replacements save techies money and time. While a meal generally costs upward of $50 at Silicon Valley-area restaurants, a week’s worth of Soylent or Schmoylent totals $85.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

Not a Children posted:

Laughing at the idea that $2.50 for a serving for nutritional paste is a good deal

I guess it's ok if you want to actively avoid one of the most primal pleasures humans can experience, though

I'm sure that they are getting some of the value of $2.50 worth of food. They could spend $5-$6 to prepare some nice food that doesn't have the texture of gritty pancake batter.

MJBuddy
Sep 22, 2008

Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

Cicero posted:

How much workers comp? For what period of time? What percentage of pirates who lost limbs did this happen for?

But seriously, I don't doubt that providing for the needy could happen some of the time in some stateless societies. I just seriously doubt it would happen at anywhere close to the same rates it currently happens in modern developed countries.

Lump sum amounts varying depending on the severity. Only a subset of pirate regions used this, but the use in those regions were fairly universal if I remember correctly.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Invisible-Hook-Economics-Pirates/dp/0691150095

Fun read.

FI Thread: I'm gonna buy me a pirate ship.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


MJBuddy posted:

FI Thread: I'm gonna buy me a pirate ship.

I don't mean to unload on you specifically, but it's really frustrating that society has conditioned everyone to believe that buying a pirate ship is the best financial decision in every case. Renting may be the superior financial choice depending on how long you plan to plunder, the strength of local navies, etc. Everyone please crunch the numbers before you head down to the docks!

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

pig slut lisa posted:

I don't mean to unload on you specifically, but it's really frustrating that society has conditioned everyone to believe that buying a pirate ship is the best financial decision in every case. Renting may be the superior financial choice depending on how long you plan to plunder, the strength of local navies, etc. Everyone please crunch the numbers before you head down to the docks!

Nah I'm going to use some migrant pirate workers who don't want any loving workers comp or whatever bullshit these entitled millennial crewmen are demanding these days. My ROI is going to be through the roof. Wanna buy a share of my booty?

uninverted
Nov 10, 2011
Can someone explain how the Roth conversion ladder works when rolling over from treasure buried on a remote island?

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

uninverted posted:

Can someone explain how the Roth conversion ladder works when rolling over from treasure buried on a remote island?

You don't bother, because you already have your savings in gold. Fat lot of good your Roth will do you once the government collapses and all your fiat currencies are worthless.


Unless, of course, your Roth investment vehicle is a vehicle.

TLG James
Jun 5, 2000

Questing ain't easy

Devian666 posted:

I'm sure that they are getting some of the value of $2.50 worth of food. They could spend $5-$6 to prepare some nice food that doesn't have the texture of gritty pancake batter.

You can also just make your own soylent that doesn't taste bad either.

They're really just glorified protein shakes.

I've drank one at least for breakfast for the last 2 years. It saves a lot of time.

MrKatharsis
Nov 29, 2003

feel the bern
For real though I would love to buy a share in a letter of marque. One fat merchantman and I'd be FI for life.

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Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

MrKatharsis posted:

For real though I would love to buy a share in a letter of marque. One fat merchantman and I'd be FI for life.

Investing in individual letters of marque is just gambling. You'll just end up trying to time the plunder, and that doesn't work. The smart money is in buying and holding shares of a Letters of Marque Investment Trust.

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