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Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

I saw a tweet from Robert Costa saying that Chris Wallace had some "doozies" for questions.

Reagan: Great president...or greatest president?

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Chris Christie
Dec 26, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
LOL. Trump's main advisor Michael Cohen is on Hannity and just slammed Lindsay Graham over his cell-phone burning stunt, noting that "it's not good for the environment."

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Ya wanna know what else's green? Mun-ny. Dat's my green lifestyle.

RedQueen
Apr 21, 2007

It takes all the running you can do just to stay in the same place.
I imagine waking up Friday in a new era, my dopamine levels depleted after ODing on the political entertainment of the debates followed by the final episode of The Daily Show, but my expectations for each are probably too high.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Chris Christie posted:

LOL. Trump's main advisor Michael Cohen is on Hannity and just slammed Lindsay Graham over his cell-phone burning stunt, noting that "it's not good for the environment."

So he supports the volcker rule, hates the citizens united ruling, is at-odds with kochsuckers, has an advisor cracking eco-friendly jokes, and has the majority of republican voters' favor?

All jokes aside, it sounds like Donald Trump is genuinely the best republican candidate available. That's simultaneously sad, funny, and optimistic.

may his yoojness reign eternally within the Trump House

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Chris Christie posted:

LOL. Trump's main advisor Michael Cohen is on Hannity and just slammed Lindsay Graham over his cell-phone burning stunt, noting that "it's not good for the environment."

Compared to the rest of the clown car these motherfuckers might actually be good at this poo poo

Pinterest Mom posted:

Jeb!, Rubio, and Christie are all catholic :eng101:

All the more reason to ask the evolution question and watch them young-Earth it up.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
he could spin his love of building golf courses where they shouldn't be Teddy Roose style

by royal decree, the most luxurious of trees shall be preserved, so that they grow strong and yooj for future Trumplings and apprentices may accidentally batter them with gold plated golf balls in their quest for scores below double-bogey

HIS WILL BE DONE

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Neurolimal posted:

So he supports the volcker rule, hates the citizens united ruling, is at-odds with kochsuckers, has an advisor cracking eco-friendly jokes, and has the majority of republican voters' favor?

All jokes aside, it sounds like Donald Trump is genuinely the best republican candidate available. That's simultaneously sad, funny, and optimistic.

may his yoojness reign eternally within the Trump House

Of all the less than knowledgeable posts you've written on the last couple of pages, this is probably the least informed.

Trump is as far right as anyone on that stage. More than most definitely.

Chris Christie
Dec 26, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Neurolimal posted:


All jokes aside, it sounds like Donald Trump is genuinely the best republican candidate available.

He is. The media propagandists have been falsely trying to paint him as an extreme right winger. He's a center-right moderate.

It's a reflection of how hosed up the left is in this country, that completely SANE, pro-labor, pro-working class ideas like "don't flood the saturated labor market with cheap foreign labor" and "don't eviscerate skilled labor with outsourcing and bad trade deals" and "actually address the chaos on the southern border in an effective way" and "build a wall in sections of the border where it is needed, according to border patrol and local political leadership" are used to paint him as far-right.

But don't worry, these idiot losers with communications degrees can't stop us from Making America Great Again, my friend.

The only actual unreasonable position he has taken is his assurance that he will make the Mexican government pay to fortify the border. But then again he has been on an incredible roll when it comes to convincing people to come around to his position and convincing people who swore they'd never even consider voting for him to actually supporting him over everyone else. This guy is a loving closer. If we live in a world where President Donald Trump is possible, maybe that crazy promise could come true too.

Chris Christie fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Aug 5, 2015

MrWillsauce
Mar 19, 2015

Trump doesn't go left or right. He goes into the second dimension.

Paper With Lines
Aug 21, 2013

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

Shageletic posted:

Of all the less than knowledgeable posts you've written on the last couple of pages, this is probably the least informed.

Trump is as far right as anyone on that stage. More than most definitely.

I'm not sure Trump has an ideology.

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Paper With Lines posted:

I'm not sure Trump has an ideology.

he will take us to a great america, all shiny and gold

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Paper With Lines posted:

I'm not sure Trump has an ideology.

He wouldn't be where he is today if he didn't have one tbh

Darth Windu
Mar 17, 2009

by Smythe

TheScott2K posted:

All the more reason to ask the evolution question and watch them young-Earth it up.

catholics don't believe in young earth you stupid idiot

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

Darth Windu posted:

catholics don't believe in young earth you stupid idiot

I don't think this applies to any of the Catholic candidates, but I know many southern Catholics who disagree with the pope about that.

Idiot Kicker
Jun 13, 2007

Paper With Lines posted:

I'm not sure Trump has an ideology.

"gently caress you" is absolutely a philosophy.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

Bizarro Kanyon posted:

I saw a tweet from Robert Costa saying that Chris Wallace had some "doozies" for questions.

Unbeknownst to Costa they're actually all questions about Duesenberg automobiles.

pugnax
Oct 10, 2012

Specialization is for insects.

Lastgirl posted:

He wouldn't be where he is today if he didn't have one tbh

Say what you will about national socialism, at least it's an ethos.

spacing in vienna
Jan 4, 2007

people they want us to fall down
but we won't ever touch the ground
we're perfectly balanced, we float around
til no one is here, do you hear the sound?


Lipstick Apathy

Darth Windu posted:

catholics don't believe in young earth you stupid idiot

Pretty sure that was his point, like. They're going to grovel for the Evangelical voters even though Catholicism itself doesn't back that poo poo.

Good job not following and insulting him over it?

Whiskey Sours
Jan 25, 2014

Weather proof.

Darth Windu posted:

catholics don't believe in young earth you stupid idiot

Right, and agreeing with Rome makes it difficult to pander to Evangelicals.

Darth Windu
Mar 17, 2009

by Smythe

spacing in vienna posted:

Pretty sure that was his point, like. They're going to grovel for the Evangelical voters even though Catholicism itself doesn't back that poo poo.

Good job not following and insulting him over it?

Thanks moron

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Joementum posted:

And don't trust anyone who tells you they know how the Republican primaries are going to turn out.

I know how they're going to turn out: hilarious

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Darth Windu posted:

catholics don't believe in young earth you stupid idiot

You are the one who is a stupid idiot

Whiskey Sours posted:

Right, and agreeing with Rome makes it difficult to pander to Evangelicals.

Rome has a pretty hands-off approach when it comes to disagreements with the anti-abortion, pro-female-slavery rabble sector of our politics. Republicans get a whole lot of leeway on minor issues like the death penalty, poverty, science, and whether or not the Pope is to be obeyed.

TheScott2K fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Aug 5, 2015

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Chris Christie posted:

He is. The media propagandists have been falsely trying to paint him as an extreme right winger. He's a center-right moderate.

It's a reflection of how hosed up the left is in this country, that completely SANE, pro-labor, pro-working class ideas like "don't flood the saturated labor market with cheap foreign labor" and "don't eviscerate skilled labor with outsourcing and bad trade deals" and "actually address the chaos on the southern border in an effective way" and "build a wall in sections of the border where it is needed, according to border patrol and local political leadership" are used to paint him as far-right.

But don't worry, these idiot losers with communications degrees can't stop us from Making America Great Again, my friend.

The only actual unreasonable position he has taken is his assurance that he will make the Mexican government pay to fortify the border. But then again he has been on an incredible roll when it comes to convincing people to come around to his position and convincing people who swore they'd never even consider voting for him to actually supporting him over everyone else. This guy is a loving closer. If we live in a world where President Donald Trump is possible, maybe that crazy promise could come true too.

Vote Bernie.

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

Miltank posted:

The Iraq war was the personal policy objective of Bush's administration. There is no way that Gore would have invaded and it is extremely unlikely that some other GOP administration would have invaded.

Seriously if you think that Gore might have invaded Iraq you're out of your mind. Iraq was the white whale of Bush and the PNAC assholes he installed in the DoD. One could even argue they let 9/11 happen due to their hyperfocus on Iraq to the point of ignoring other intelligence.

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

HappyHippo posted:

One could even argue they let 9/11 happen due to their hyperfocus on Iraq to the point of ignoring other intelligence.

I think that would be a lovely argument if you use the wording "let." I loathe Bush but that's bordering on conspiracy.

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
Walker also claims to be Catholic (he really worships the church of Reagan), and he questioned evolution as well.

Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

Shageletic posted:

Of all the less than knowledgeable posts you've written on the last couple of pages, this is probably the least informed.

Trump is as far right as anyone on that stage. More than most definitely.

Says the party-line Democrat. Are you familiar with Trump's history?

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Neurolimal posted:

So he supports the volcker rule, hates the citizens united ruling, is at-odds with kochsuckers, has an advisor cracking eco-friendly jokes, and has the majority of republican voters' favor?

All jokes aside, it sounds like Donald Trump is genuinely the best republican candidate available. That's simultaneously sad, funny, and optimistic.

may his yoojness reign eternally within the Trump House

He's not a fan of CU because if it didn't exist he'd quite literally be able to buy himself the election whereas now he has to contend with super PACs that let billionaires bankroll a puppet of their choice.


It's good he hates the CU ruling but you're naive if you think he hates it for any reason other than "those richer assholes can still overcome my money."

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

comes along bort posted:

Unbeknownst to Costa they're actually all questions about Duesenberg automobiles.

Well, I'm on board.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Little_wh0re posted:

Your vote is the only way to communicate to the party. If there are a pile of votes further left then it starts looking attractive to move left to pick them up. Is pretty simple

If this were true then bush 1 wouldn't have been followed by Bill and Bush 2 wouldn't have been followed by Obama.

All heretofore existing history shows that the Democrats aren't gonna dive for the on average 500k~700k votes for leftish parties when they already command nearly 60 million votes in their last losing presidential election.

Unless your third party buddies are going to actually get a good 10 million plus of you to agree on a single party, you're gnats.

Mrit
Sep 26, 2007

by exmarx
Grimey Drawer

Nintendo Kid posted:

If this were true then bush 1 wouldn't have been followed by Bill and Bush 2 wouldn't have been followed by Obama.

All heretofore existing history shows that the Democrats aren't gonna dive for the on average 500k~700k votes for leftish parties when they already command nearly 60 million votes in their last losing presidential election.

Unless your third party buddies are going to actually get a good 10 million plus of you to agree on a single party, you're gnats.

This is a good post. In America, voting 3rd party is for idiots.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
For those of you just tuning in to D&D, Nintodo Kid is an idiot and is best ignored.

:berned:

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

Mrit posted:

This is a good post. In America, voting 3rd party is for idiots.

This but unironically. The last 3rd party to have any impact was the Bull Moose, and they threw the election to Wilson.

Feather
Mar 1, 2003
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

The X-man cometh posted:

This but unironically. The last 3rd party to have any impact was the Bull Moose, and they threw the election to Wilson.

I guess '92 and '96 didn't happen?

Mrit
Sep 26, 2007

by exmarx
Grimey Drawer

The X-man cometh posted:

This but unironically. The last 3rd party to have any impact was the Bull Moose, and they threw the election to Wilson.

I wasn't being ironic. :)

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

Feather posted:

I guess '92 and '96 didn't happen?

One man is not a third parry.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Paper With Lines posted:

I'm not sure Trump has an ideology.

Its as openly spite filled as anything we've seen in mainstream politics since the eighties, and the only policies he's bothered to even elaborate on (torture, deportation, feet on the ground in Iraq) are more conservative than what a lot of the other candidates have stated.

Brannock posted:

Says the party-line Democrat. Are you familiar with Trump's history?
Are you familiar with my last couple of posts, all of which deal with it?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Also

quote:

Obviously, that is good news for Trump, but the polling data also contain some less encouraging signs for him. According to the latest survey from Quinnipiac University’s polling unit, which came out late last week, fifty per cent of Republicans have a favorable opinion of Trump, and thirty-three per cent have a negative opinion. If you subtract the latter figure from the former one, you get get a “net positive” rating of seventeen per cent. Far from placing Trump at the front of the G.O.P. field, this figure suggests that he is in thirteenth place, sandwiched between John Kasich and Chris Christie.

According to this metric, Marco Rubio is leading the G.O.P. race, with a net positive rating of sixty-one per cent. Walker is in second place, with fifty-five per cent, and Bush is in third place, with fifty per cent. Of course, if Trump performs well in the debates and avoids any major slip-ups, his numbers could improve. But the reason that political professionals monitor this figure closely is that it often indicates the amount of upward (and downward) potential a candidate has. Once negative impressions get entrenched, they are tough to shift, and, relative to most of the other candidates, Trump already has fairly high negative ratings among Republican voters. (Among the electorate as a whole, his negatives are much higher—the highest of any candidate in either party—but that’s not the point here.)

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/how-durable-is-donald-trumps-surge

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Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

The X-man cometh posted:

One man is not a third parry.

Also there's a pretty decent argument that Perot didn't actually cost Bush or Dole the election. He seems to have mainly energized voters who would have otherwise stayed home, while mostly drawing equitably from both Clinton and Bush/Dole pools of voters. Mostly he just went on national TV to ask if he could finish and then denied Clinton a majority instead of a plurality. No real realignment of either party came about, and nothing really came of it. Maybe Clinton got a state or two he otherwise wouldn't have gotten, but he was a Southern Gent in a time before the full realignment of the South from Conservative Democrats to Republicans. He still probably would have won but with a slightly smaller EC margin.

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