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Polaron posted:There was one flight back in the...80s?...Where an enormous amount of control wiring exploded and the plane had to be crash-landed basically using just the rudder. Not talking about United 232 at all are you? http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/how-the-crash-of-united-flight-232-changed-the-way-we-f-1606999239
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pookel posted:It was in a book, and at least 20 years ago. So maybe the Wire episode was based on real life? I think it might have been Mind Hunter, by John Douglas, which was one of the early books that popularized profiling. The Wire was based on a book, Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets by David Simon. It also spawned Homicide: Life on the Streets
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Welcome to the final episode of the tale of I-TIGI. Last time, politics, a crashed Libyan fighter jet, and suspicious witness deaths. Now, for the conclusion. So, what really happened on the night of June 27th, 1980? Nobody really knows for sure, and this is still a sore point with the Italian public, even after thirty-five years, but there are clear clues pointing towards a specific answer, like I'd said in my introductory post. Considering that Libyan planes often passed through Italian airspace, flying close to airliners to mask their presence; That there was a lot of military activity on the part of NATO members that night; That a Libyan MiG-23 was found crashed not far from the site of the accident less than a month later, with evidence pointing towards it having been there at least a couple weeks; That I-TIGI disappeared suddenly and without warning, as if it had disintegrated in mid-air, The answer seems pretty clear: a Libyan plane was using I-TIGi as cover that night, and someone from NATO didn't like that and shot at it, hitting flight IH870 by mistake. After the fact, the whole thing was subjected to an attempted cover-up by making inconvenient radar logs disappear. (The witnesses' deaths are probably just a series of coincidences.) It's not just me and conspiracy theorists who think this, in any case. In 2007 Francesco Cossiga, former President of the Republic, who was Prime Minister of Italy at the time I-TIGI went down, explicitly said, when interviewed about the fact: quote:"Our Secret Service informed me and [vice-Prime Minister] Amato that it had been the French, a French Navy plane, who had launched a missile. The French knew Gaddafi's plane should have been there, but [Gaddafi] survived because he'd just taken off when SISMI [the Italian Secret Service] informed him of the plot, and he decided to turn back." As a result of Cossiga's words, the relatives of 42 victims of the crash cited the Italian State in civil court to obtain some measure of justice. In 2013 the Italian Supreme Court declared that it was "abundantly clear" that I-TIGI had been brought down by a missile, and sentenced the Ministry of Interior and Ministry of Transportation to pay more than one hundred million euros (total) to the victims' family members. Maybe they found some peace in that. Still, the crash of I-TIGI is terrible tragedy, and a sad example of what can happen because of rivalries between power blocs. RIP 81 people, killed by Cold War politics.
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The great thing about the Italian government is that very loving little has changed in the ensuing decades. I'd trust them as much as a wet fart on chilli night
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http://strangeco.blogspot.com/2015/05/newspaper-clipping-of-day.htmlquote:"Andersonville Intelligencer," April 22, 1880.
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Polaron posted:There was one flight back in the...80s?...Where an enormous amount of control wiring exploded and the plane had to be crash-landed basically using just the rudder. I can't look it up right now but there's an excellent episode of Errol Morris's First Person in which the hero pilot of this incident is interviewed. I watched it on YouTube recently Edit https://youtu.be/2M9TQs-fQR0 A CRUNK BIRD has a new favorite as of 19:18 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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pienipple posted:The Wire was based on a book, Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets by David Simon. It also spawned Homicide: Life on the Streets And if you haven't read it yet, stop what you're doing right now and go read it. Go on -- this thread will still be here when you get back.
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Did some reading on a classic 80s style Satanic panic case today: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-hampstead-cult-that-wasnt-the-satanic-panic-revisited/16802 quote:Twenty-one years after Professor Jean La Fontaine produced her report for the Department of Health, confirming the absence of any convincing evidence for the existence of Satanic ritual abuse (SRA) in the UK, it is extraordinary that any court should have to conduct a similar inquiry. But it’s a sign of how unhinged British society has become on the subject of child abuse that the repetition of such far-fetched claims now warrants prolonged judicial scrutiny. The whole situation is kinda creepy - even now after it's completely discredited there's a bunch of obsessed true believers who absolutely, wholeheartedly believe this is all true. Many of them are featured in the comments to that article. Necrothatcher has a new favorite as of 00:51 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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The postmortem swelling is almost certainly what we in ~the business~ call tissue gas. It's an embalmer's worst nightmare; just about impossible to do anything about once it gets started and will very quickly render a body unviewable. They weren't exaggerating when they said the body blew up right in front of them. It's pretty uncommon nowadays, but I'd imagine loving around with corpses and then jabbing a mucous membrane with an unwashed hand is a good way to ensure your dead rear end ends up with it.
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Aaaaaaand ^^^ thank you So what the hell is this poisoning that happens? Just sounds so surreal.
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.... .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbg1nEXQ1fI&t=38s Last Chance has a new favorite as of 01:55 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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manderson posted:Aaaaaaand ^^^ thank you Gas gangrene of the head. Nasty poo poo.
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Asclepius Hot Rod posted:Gas gangrene of the head. Nasty poo poo. Theoretically, is there anything that could've been done to save the poor guy?
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Nckdictator posted:Theoretically, is there anything that could've been done to save the poor guy? Different career choice.
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that's why you always wear a rubber
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:And if you haven't read it yet, stop what you're doing right now and go read it. Seconded. Some of the stuff in the book is dated, but the issues still persist, and a lot of the cases are still unsolved.
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Thanks thread, I just had to start looking up gas Gangrene and all the poo poo surrounding it. What the gently caress. Seriously interesting stuff though.
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Mikl posted:Welcome to the final episode of the tale of I-TIGI. Last time, politics, a crashed Libyan fighter jet, and suspicious witness deaths. Actually it is more likely that the plane was downed by a bomb placed in the bathroom. http://aviation-safety.net/pubs/other/Taylor_paper_Ustica_illustrated.pdf quote:22 The missile theory was just Italian politicians trying to push their own agendas.
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Zero One posted:The missile theory was just Italian politicians trying to push their own agendas. Yeah, this is a country where a foreign student was convicted of murdering her roommate because the prosecutor claimed she was the coed equivalent of a satanic ritual abuser.
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RNG posted:Seconded. Some of the stuff in the book is dated, but the issues still persist, and a lot of the cases are still unsolved. drat, and here I am house sitting without my Kindle. If I can't wait for the weekend I may just have to order it off Prime. I've been looking for some good books, so thanks for the rec.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Yeah, this is a country where a foreign student was convicted of murdering her roommate because the prosecutor claimed she was the coed equivalent of a satanic ritual abuser.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Yeah, this is a country where a foreign student was convicted of murdering her roommate because the prosecutor claimed she was the coed equivalent of a satanic ritual abuser. Actually, I think it was more because she was a slut, based on the fact that she wasn't a modest Italian woman, and she wore skirts or something. I think she also kissed a boy once. Fair or not, the Knox case is what I think of every time I hear anything about the Italian justice system. Everyone involved in the prosecution's case was just such a clownish caricature.
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Free diver vanishes on divequote:atalia Molchanova, widely regarded as the greatest free diver in history, wore her favorite purple wet suit Sunday on a chartered boat off the coast of Formentera, an island near Ibiza. Only 1.5 millimeters thick, the wet suit was low buoyancy, designed specifically for divers like her who want to go deep on a single breath. It was a Molchanova, the brand she started with her son, Alexey Molchanov. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/s...T.nav=RecEngine
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Nckdictator posted:Theoretically, is there anything that could've been done to save the poor guy? The treatment for gas gangrene is amputation of the affected appendage. Amputation of the head has a uh less than stellar survival rate.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Yeah, this is a country where a foreign student was convicted of murdering her roommate because the prosecutor claimed she was the coed equivalent of a satanic ritual abuser. And the prosecutor who did that accused an American author doing a story about the Monster of Florence (a serial killer active from the late 60s to early 80s) of being the Monster of Florence, in collaboration with a local Italian journalist.
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One serial killer story that I always found fascinating. I can't remember who it was but I saw this on like a special or something. The guy was a serial killer, living at home, and his father found a locked box under his bed or something. He said he waited for his son to come home and he was going to confront him with the box, thinking it was like drugs or something. The guy came home, and knew immediately that it was some severed body part in the box and refused to open it. His father said that he just got really mad and took the box and left. When he came back the son apologized and I think admitted that it was drugs or something in the box and the father never thought anything about it until after his son was found and I think his son finally told him what was in that box. The father seemed so distraught over the fact that he could have found out early on what was really going on and it was so close but he never saw what was in the box.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:One serial killer story that I always found fascinating. I can't remember who it was but I saw this on like a special or something. The guy was a serial killer, living at home, and his father found a locked box under his bed or something. He said he waited for his son to come home and he was going to confront him with the box, thinking it was like drugs or something. The guy came home, and knew immediately that it was some severed body part in the box and refused to open it. His father said that he just got really mad and took the box and left. When he came back the son apologized and I think admitted that it was drugs or something in the box and the father never thought anything about it until after his son was found and I think his son finally told him what was in that box. The father seemed so distraught over the fact that he could have found out early on what was really going on and it was so close but he never saw what was in the box.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:One serial killer story that I always found fascinating. I can't remember who it was but I saw this on like a special or something. The guy was a serial killer, living at home, and his father found a locked box under his bed or something. He said he waited for his son to come home and he was going to confront him with the box, thinking it was like drugs or something. The guy came home, and knew immediately that it was some severed body part in the box and refused to open it. His father said that he just got really mad and took the box and left. When he came back the son apologized and I think admitted that it was drugs or something in the box and the father never thought anything about it until after his son was found and I think his son finally told him what was in that box. The father seemed so distraught over the fact that he could have found out early on what was really going on and it was so close but he never saw what was in the box. I want to say this was Dahmer. At the very least there was a scene like this in a movie about him.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:The treatment for gas gangrene is amputation of the affected appendage. Amputation of the head has a uh less than stellar survival rate. Interestingly (and by that I mean 'horribly') reading that link it seems like one of the causes of it is having water squirted into wounds----which, as you'll recall, was one of the very first things the people treating that guy did. So in trying to help him, they made the problem exponentially worse.
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Zero One posted:Actually it is more likely that the plane was downed by a bomb placed in the bathroom. http://aviation-safety.net/pubs/other/Taylor_paper_Ustica_illustrated.pdf Huh, I wasn't aware of the report you linked. Thanks! (Note that the report doesn't take into account Cossiga's testimony, since that was released in 2007 and the report was last updated in 2006. But still, I'd rather trust an impartial report rather than the words of an Italian politician who wasn't under oath when he said them.) Mikl has a new favorite as of 13:01 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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Centripetal Horse posted:Actually, I think it was more because she was a slut, based on the fact that she wasn't a modest Italian woman, and she wore skirts or something. I think she also kissed a boy once. Don't Italians accuse Americans of being prudes all the time? I don't think they're typically big on modesty.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Did some reading on a classic 80s style Satanic panic case today: The whole idea of SRA (and its near relatives, organized pedophile or sex trafficker rings) has such a grip on the public. I read a few of the forteana / unsolved mystery reddits and they're always ready to go to bat for these as an explanation for any disappearance, arguing for overwhelming evidence that is actually just anecdotes or circular logic ("no, the powerful people are behind it - that's why you'll never hear anything about it!"). Makes me wonder what future sociologists are going to make of our time and it's beliefs. Note: I'm not arguing that there aren't satanists, pedophile or sex traffickers, just that they don't exist as these vast secretive organisations ready to snatch people off the street in broad daylight with impunity.
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Jack Gladney posted:Don't Italians accuse Americans of being prudes all the time? I don't think they're typically big on modesty. I wasn't trying to make a factual point about the mores of Italian society. I was trying to convey how so much of the prosecution's case (based on what I heard and read in English-language media) seemed to boil down to, "Her inflamed loins caused her to murder her friend so she could have all the cocks for herself." I remember there being a really bizarre amount of, "Look at this picture of Amanda Knox in a bikini." Then, everyone got the vapors and had to sit down.
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outlier posted:The whole idea of SRA (and its near relatives, organized pedophile or sex trafficker rings) has such a grip on the public. I read a few of the forteana / unsolved mystery reddits and they're always ready to go to bat for these as an explanation for any disappearance, arguing for overwhelming evidence that is actually just anecdotes or circular logic ("no, the powerful people are behind it - that's why you'll never hear anything about it!"). Makes me wonder what future sociologists are going to make of our time and it's beliefs. No it was just politicians and going into childrens care homes in the UK. including a now dead prime minister
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RNG posted:Seconded. Some of the stuff in the book is dated, but the issues still persist, and a lot of the cases are still unsolved. ...and the real Jay Landsman loving rules even more than his fictional counterpart. RenegadeStyle1 posted:One serial killer story that I always found fascinating. I can't remember who it was but I saw this on like a special or something. The guy was a serial killer, living at home, and his father found a locked box under his bed or something. He said he waited for his son to come home and he was going to confront him with the box, thinking it was like drugs or something. The guy came home, and knew immediately that it was some severed body part in the box and refused to open it. His father said that he just got really mad and took the box and left. When he came back the son apologized and I think admitted that it was drugs or something in the box and the father never thought anything about it until after his son was found and I think his son finally told him what was in that box. The father seemed so distraught over the fact that he could have found out early on what was really going on and it was so close but he never saw what was in the box. did dear old dad whine "WHAT'S IN THE BOOOOX" at him?
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Sex Hobbit posted:The postmortem swelling is almost certainly what we in ~the business~ call tissue gas. It's an embalmer's worst nightmare; just about impossible to do anything about once it gets started and will very quickly render a body unviewable. They weren't exaggerating when they said the body blew up right in front of them. Asclepius Hot Rod posted:Gas gangrene of the head. Nasty poo poo. While reading that story I was thinking to myself that it's clearly fake or embellished in some way so thanks for showing I was wrong I guess. Sometimes truth is more disgusting than fiction.
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:...and the real Jay Landsman loving rules even more than his fictional counterpart. And he had a part on the show (not as Landsman, but Lt. Mello)!
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outlier posted:The whole idea of SRA (and its near relatives, organized pedophile or sex trafficker rings) has such a grip on the public. I read a few of the forteana / unsolved mystery reddits and they're always ready to go to bat for these as an explanation for any disappearance, arguing for overwhelming evidence that is actually just anecdotes or circular logic ("no, the powerful people are behind it - that's why you'll never hear anything about it!"). Makes me wonder what future sociologists are going to make of our time and it's beliefs. The people involved in this are demanding the people they suspect prove their innocence by stripping naked to show that they don't have any Satanic warts, marks or tattoos. I mean, it's a straight up old school actual WITCH HUNT in England, 2015.
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Heh, there's a meme going around that Taylor Swift looks like Zeena Schreck (aka Zeena LaVey, Anton's daughter), so yesterday I checked out her wiki page, and wouldn't you know, she's germane to this topic. quote:1980s "Satanic Panic" It goes on to say: quote:After leaving the politically motivated media witch-hunt of the U.S. satanic panic, and after she and her husband concluded their collaborative work within the Radio Werewolf magical musical cycle, Zeena declined most interview requests. Her official website states: "Preferring to allow her work to speak for itself and indifferent to public opinion, Zeena has granted only a very few interviews since 1993."[43] She's also a musician, illustrator, producer/director, and author. Interesting woman. Rabbit Hill has a new favorite as of 15:19 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:
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