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Khizan posted:What is the CCCP bit you're talking about? It's been a while and I'm drawing a blank. A pre-unification toy rocket, estimated to be from M2. CCCP is what the USSR called itself.
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Russians were right to go with lead paint.
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That is not the first time there has been a "modern" reference in 40k fiction. The Emperors Gift has the main character refer to a collection of North American "Kings" and the line "all men are created equal' That is an insult to the slave holding aristocracy that formed the United States drat it! ![]()
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Didn't the foreward to Unremembered Empire have a reference to a man named "Shakespire?"
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There's a lot of not-terribly-subtle references to modern culture and so on. I like them so long as they're few and far between; it makes sense that somewhere there'd be relics of life 30-40,000 years in the past, even if they're lead Soviet rocket toys.
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And let's not forget that Jon Grammaticus (or one of the other stupid Perpetuals) assassinated MLK Jr. Perturabo is also a huge Leonardo da Vinci fan, and Ahriman has a translated copy of the Voynich Manuscript on his bookshelf.
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Cythereal posted:And let's not forget that Jon Grammaticus (or one of the other stupid Perpetuals) assassinated MLK Jr. I thought the Illuminati cabal of aliens did that Or was that just IRL
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Arcsquad12 posted:Didn't the foreward to Unremembered Empire have a reference to a man named "Shakespire?" Shakespire comes up a couple times in Unremembered Empire, yeah. I think some of the other Rogal Dorn stuff, too. Dude's a huge nerd. Edit: Also in the audiobook he pronounces it weird, and you could pretty much hear the reader's soul dying when he had to make the noises of Dorn's answering machine beeping.
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Cythereal posted:And let's not forget that Jon Grammaticus (or one of the other stupid Perpetuals) assassinated MLK Jr. Hahaha where is that from? And why?
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Don't forget that Genghis Khan got to become a Demon Prince because he was to bad rear end to die.
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Sandweed posted:Don't forget that Genghis Khan got to become a Demon Prince because he was to bad rear end to die. Wait, what?
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kanonvandekempen posted:Hahaha where is that from? And why? It's from one of the Horus Heresy books, Grammaticus or one of his pals thinks over all the stuff he's done for the Cabal, including killing "a nice young man in Memphis."
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Dodoman posted:Wait, what? this is really old fluff, pretty sure it's no longer valid
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Cythereal posted:It's from one of the Horus Heresy books, Grammaticus or one of his pals thinks over all the stuff he's done for the Cabal, including killing "a nice young man in Memphis." "The Good Man." The assassin in Unremembered Empire (not Grammaticus, the guy with two shuriken pistols and a Bad Attitude).
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V. Illych L. posted:this is really old fluff, pretty sure it's no longer valid Doombreed. I think it's never explicitly mentioned as Gengis, just that he was a bloodthirsty warlord in the middle ages who conquered cities every day and killed millions, so yeah, Genghis is a pretty safe bet.
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Angry Lobster posted:Doombreed. I think it's never explicitly mentioned as Gengis, just that he was a bloodthirsty warlord in the middle ages who conquered cities every day and killed millions, so yeah, Genghis is a pretty safe bet. it might be atilla, genghis sounds more like the emperor in disguise
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Just dropping in to say Fire Caste is a good book worth your time. The plot is a self-aware take on Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now in that the basic plot is a commissar travels into the deep jungle in search of renegade soldiers. The author, Peter Fehervari, actually knows how to write, which is a miracle by first-time Black Library author standards. His dialogue is good, he fills in the story with interesting sub-plots and characters, but where he shines is in describing the miasmatic, decrepit jungle setting. Get it, especially if you like IG novels.
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SavTargaryen posted:Shakespire comes up a couple times in Unremembered Empire, yeah. I think some of the other Rogal Dorn stuff, too. Dude's a huge nerd. There was another reference to Shakespeare, in Prospero Burns, where someone proudly informed the main character (during a flashback, before his journey to Fenris) that his team had successfully reconstructed the fourth of Shakespeare's plays, and that the collection was now complete. I like that kind of reference, one that uses something real to illustrate the differences between our world and the 40K setting. Just dropping names of famous things isn't as interesting, although having a translated Voynich Manuscript is quite clever. Speaking of weird references in Prospero Burns. There was a flashback scene where the protagonist found a tomb with religious statues in it, and then some Thousand Sons marines came in and made everyone leave and presumably investigated the site themselves. Is that scene supposed to tie into anything? Because it seemed like something that would come up again, but it never did that I could determine.
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Kylaer posted:There was another reference to Shakespeare, in Prospero Burns, where someone proudly informed the main character (during a flashback, before his journey to Fenris) that his team had successfully reconstructed the fourth of Shakespeare's plays, and that the collection was now complete. I like that kind of reference, one that uses something real to illustrate the differences between our world and the 40K setting. Just dropping names of famous things isn't as interesting, although having a translated Voynich Manuscript is quite clever. I took that to be another clue that the Thousand Sons had been loving around with forbidden lore for a long time. I think it's also where the Thousand Sons might have first conceived of him as a potential sleeper agent. Alternatively, he had been planted long before and his encounter with the Marine was either his rediscovery or a hint that even line legionaires knew some dark espionage poo poo was going on. Sulecrist fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Aug 4, 2015 |
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Don't the Thousand Sons he meets make a comment on Kasper Hawsers name as well? Implying they know about a minor part of 19th century history.
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I still laugh thinking about Dan Abnett's spectacularly ill-conceived idea to have one of his characters be Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassin.
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Alright, after way, way too long, I've finally got back to writing Doc Eldar. Today has been very productive, and I'm not done yet, but I've reached a good break point and thought I could post what I've already finished. For those of you who are interested, here it is:quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. You've had some scary superiors in your life, I expect, but trust me, this one was unlike any you've ever encountered - unless you've worked for an alien, and I strongly doubt that you have. Out of all the people I've met, or even heard of, there's only one I know who can claim to have shared an equivalent experience. Not working for the same boss, we each had our own, and our paths only crossed once. I would not have wanted to switch places with him, but I'm sure he wouldn't have wanted to take my job either - which consisted of working for the Monsignor Jeremias' chief medical officer, the xeno whose name I could never pronounce. I called him Doc Eldar. And as for what the second part is going to involve, I had mentioned this story earlier, described like this: Kylaer posted:And the third one is full-on whacky hijinks, in which the narrator meets a kindred spirit as it is revealed that Jeremias is not the only shipmaster insane enough to hire a xeno physician Kylaer fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I still laugh thinking about Dan Abnett's spectacularly ill-conceived idea to have one of his characters be Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassin. That is the greatest idea in WH40K literature and I will hear no ill on Abnett for conceiving it.
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Kylaer posted:Alright, after way, way too long, I've finally got back to writing Doc Eldar. Today has been very productive, and I'm not done yet, but I've reached a good break point and thought I could post what I've already finished. For those of you who are interested, here it is: ![]() Welcome back.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I still laugh thinking about Dan Abnett's spectacularly ill-conceived idea to have one of his characters be Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassin. Dunno, the X-Files did it
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Yaaaay I love Doc Eldar!
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And here's the other half! Glad you're enjoying, let me know your thoughts!quote:There was a faint clicking noise transmitted through the hull, as the ship made a perfect four-point touchdown. Doc Eldar stripped the control rig off his hands and was down the ladder in a matter of heartbeats; I followed, still feeling a bit wobbly from adrenaline. The air outside the ship was harsh with smoke, but just as heavy was the smell of fire-retardant foam, and I hadn't seen any flames on our approach, so I figured the scene itself should be safe. It feels really good to write again. I have a lot of free time until the end of the month, so I want to get a fair bit more writing done while I have the opportunity. If anyone has suggestions or requests for things they'd like to see in future stories, I'd be happy to incorporate them, I like working with audience suggestions.
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Kylaer posted:And here's the other half! Glad you're enjoying, let me know your thoughts! This owns. You own, dude.
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Kylaer posted:And here's the other half! Glad you're enjoying, let me know your thoughts! God bless you
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Dok Gitskragga doesn't feel quite like an modern, 3rd ed onwards, Ork to me, but it's still great. A bit more fonetik spellin' might help with that. The anaesthetic thing and the journals is particularly jarring though, what with Ork Painboyz just having a big mallet handy for that normally, so maybe the spirit of that scene could be saved while further fitting the expectation by a "wherez yer big hammer?" line or something. That's totally just nitpicking though, since the focus is on the narrator and his counterpart and that works great.
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Sulecrist posted:I took that to be another clue that the Thousand Sons had been loving around with forbidden lore for a long time. I think it's also where the Thousand Sons might have first conceived of him as a potential sleeper agent. Alternatively, he had been planted long before and his encounter with the Marine was either his rediscovery or a hint that even line legionaires knew some dark espionage poo poo was going on. Yes, he had been planted long before that. The Thousand Son commenting on that is a hint that his name is maybe not his own. He was already influenced by Horus back in his childhood when the mutated monsters ate his family in the wastelands, which was supposed to install fear and hate of wolves into him. It also made him an orphan, like the real Kaspar Hauser had been. The Thousand Sons never had anything to do with him being a sleeper, it was all a long-time con to get them and the wolves both. And it worked until he finally woke up at the end.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I still laugh thinking about Dan Abnett's spectacularly ill-conceived idea to have one of his characters be Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassin. It wasn't necessarily a bad idea, but there was no reasoning behind it, other than "The Cabal wanted to." If Abnett had explained the reasoning behind it, I don't think it would be so reviled by people.
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Arquinsiel posted:Dok Gitskragga doesn't feel quite like an modern, 3rd ed onwards, Ork to me, but it's still great. A bit more fonetik spellin' might help with that. The anaesthetic thing and the journals is particularly jarring though, what with Ork Painboyz just having a big mallet handy for that normally, so maybe the spirit of that scene could be saved while further fitting the expectation by a "wherez yer big hammer?" line or something. No, I appreciate the nitpicking, all kinds of feedback help improve my writing. I actually don't know any Ork dok fluff except some half-remembered stuff from the 1st Edition rulebooks, and I do believe they had syringe-squigs with all kinds of medicines back then, but I'll rework that line a bit. The medical journals thing doesn't fit the rest of the character, it's true, so that will also get changed a bit. I just love the idea of Gitskragga giving Doc Eldar poo poo about not following standards and then grafting an arm onto someone's leg, but I can do that in a slightly different fashion. The fonetik spelling, though, was something I considered and then decided against. It's not fun to write and (for me, at least) it's not fun to read, either. I'd rather let the reader give characters their own voice, although I do try to keep speech patterns consistent for given characters (Doc Eldar, you may have noticed, never uses contractions). berzerkmonkey posted:It wasn't necessarily a bad idea, but there was no reasoning behind it, other than "The Cabal wanted to." If Abnett had explained the reasoning behind it, I don't think it would be so reviled by people. I could swear that it is stated in the book that the Cabal was trying to prevent humanity from overcoming their own internal divisions and uniting, and that's why the assassin guy killed these various people throughout history. Did I just make this up?
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Kylaer posted:I could swear that it is stated in the book that the Cabal was trying to prevent humanity from overcoming their own internal divisions and uniting, and that's why the assassin guy killed these various people throughout history. Did I just make this up? Maybe? It's been a while since I read it, and if that was the explanation, it certainly didn't register with me. That does sound like a very Eldar-thing to do.
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Kylaer posted:No, I appreciate the nitpicking, all kinds of feedback help improve my writing. I actually don't know any Ork dok fluff except some half-remembered stuff from the 1st Edition rulebooks, and I do believe they had syringe-squigs with all kinds of medicines back then, but I'll rework that line a bit. The medical journals thing doesn't fit the rest of the character, it's true, so that will also get changed a bit. I just love the idea of Gitskragga giving Doc Eldar poo poo about not following standards and then grafting an arm onto someone's leg, but I can do that in a slightly different fashion.
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Arquinsiel posted:If you can, get your hands on the Gorkamorka rulebooks. There's loads in the campaign section there about what doks will do to patch up an injured ork. They can all be found on YakTribe. I think you have to sign up to download them though.
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Klaus88 posted:That is not the first time there has been a "modern" reference in 40k fiction. Hyperion's commentary on the notion of "all men are created equal" is one of my favorite of any 40K novel. "I'd often wondered if the words sounded as false and idealistic to those men's ears as they did mine. Truly, humanity has an infinite capacity for self-deception Deceit is a sin against purity, as recorded in the fifteenth decree of piety. To lie is to stain the soul, and he who decieves himself is thrice-blackened by falsehood. All men are not created equal. The proof is there for the eye to see."
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Uroboros posted:Hyperion's commentary on the notion of "all men are created equal" is one of my favorite of any 40K novel. Mine too. It's encapsulates his views of purity, a contempt for humankind and how the idea of treating others equally has been lost to the twilight of millennia so perfectly.
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Annointed posted:Mine too. It's encapsulates his views of purity, a contempt for humankind and how the idea of treating others equally has been lost to the twilight of millennia so perfectly. Pretty much, although I wouldn't say he has contempt for humanity, just high standards. He has a lot of good stuff in there to say about humanity, pretty much pre-destined to rule forever in a galaxy that hates us.
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# ? May 18, 2024 18:39 |
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Are there any good Deathwatch novels?
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