|
Freudian slippers posted:After reading this thread I decided not to be a dumb pubbie, and won a match yesterday by capping all by myself Wait a minute....... I thought that when you killed the Carrier the planes just fly round doing nothing?? If I ever get that dumb arse "kill 8 planes in a game" mission I normally wait for a carrier to die then if I am close enough, just go over and mop up the remaining planes and I have never been attacked yet doing this?? Have I just been retardedly lucky in this respect or is it that the planes don't attack as they have dropped their load and come back to the non-existent carrier?
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 13:37
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 08:58 |
|
|
Burt posted:Wait a minute....... No, you are right. The only explanation for what Burt has told us to happen is that the CV player ordered his planes (probably dive bombers) to attack him before dying. The planes will execute the last order given to them, even if the CV itself is dead.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 13:54
|
|
|
Wow, the Bogue is pretty rear end. Either you take the 2 squads to have a fighter and a TB, or you go full "I don't like EXP" and do double fighter or "I don't like having planes" and 2 DB 1 TB. I'm still winning most of my games, though. Getting unopposed in the strike loadout typically ends in carnage. Sky cancer...
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 13:59
|
|
|
I'm having a hard time with the Pensacola. I'm still stock at this point and re training 50% exp back up, so I know part of it is growing pains, but still... Guns turn much slower, feels like I get outranged by everything, citadeled up the wazoo, not even the stock AA is very good!
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 14:17
|
|
|
Guys I'm not sure how you expect a battleship to close distance with cruisers as a solution to kiting, because you really can't do that unless they choose not to kite you. The problem is that cruisers currently enjoy gun fight superiority at long range and often very short range (torp range), in combination with notably higher speeds that allow them to control the range of a fight. If a cruiser doesn't want to fight you at 8km there is absolutely nothing you as a BB player can do about it. Your team may be able to, but not you. It's pretty absurd anyways to have cruisers ruining battleships in long range gun duels of all things. But here we are in a game where the solution to floating slabs of thick armor is small guns firing HE-frag. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Aug 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 14:28
|
|
|
Panfilo posted:I'm having a hard time with the Pensacola. I'm still stock at this point and re training 50% exp back up, so I know part of it is growing pains, but still... Guns turn much slower, feels like I get outranged by everything, citadeled up the wazoo, not even the stock AA is very good! Just hold on untill you can afford the gun upgrade. With 2 more barrels, 15sec less turn time and good AA it's a good ship.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 14:29
|
|
|
Burt posted:Wait a minute....... Carrier planes will still execute actions given before the carrier sinks.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 14:37
|
|
|
Just had a match in my South Carolina (grinding for the Wyoming is pretty terrible...) where a Furutaka decided to close with me, I'm guessing for a torpedo run, but showed it's broadside AND got within range of my secondaries. I wish more cruisers would just run straight up to me like that... EDIT: There should be a way for MM to prevent a battle where one team is 8 DDs and some fast cruisers vs. a team of BB's.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 14:46
|
|
|
Had a few recent games in my Ranger where CL players were really smart. There were 3 Atlanta's and about that many Cleveland's forming a screen about 6km apart but maneuvering around to avoid torpedoes. Any direction I sent my planes one of them would pop their AA ability and shred my bombers. One game I think I managed all of one bomb hit the entire game because I couldn't hit anything or get close to their BBs with my planes. And forget about it if I'm matched up against a Hiryu which can easily overwhelm me. As much as people complain about Bogue at least it doesn't have to deal with nearly as much AA in its tier and isn't as inferior to its IJN counterpart.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 14:52
|
|
|
Devorum posted:Just had a match in my South Carolina (grinding for the Wyoming is pretty terrible...) where a Furutaka decided to close with me, I'm guessing for a torpedo run, but showed it's broadside AND got within range of my secondaries. For some reason when I was playing last night the game would put overwhelming number of ship types I was playing in a session. When I'll choose a DD - we'll have 7 DDs on both sides, a "torpedogeddon" as a pubbie put it. When I choose a BB there was 1 DD and 1 CA on each team with the rest being hulking floating coffins.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 15:39
|
|
|
Aoba drivers, which is the better T3 commander skill? High Alert or Vigilance?
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 15:41
|
|
|
Zero Gravitas posted:Aoba drivers, which is the better T3 commander skill? High Alert or Vigilance? I prefer High Alert on Cruisers and Superintended on Battleships (I use the premium repair kit on battleships).
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 15:44
|
|
|
Come on guys Furutaka isn't that bad!    That is pretty much best case scenario in fairness since it's a T5 battle - it's the classic WG issue of a ship that isn't actually bad at its tier but it is particularly bad when uptiered. I dodged a TB run and scrapped with a couple of destroyers that thankfully didn't get close before running somewhere else and dying. Sank the Tenryu, dodged another TB wave. Then hit two Wyomings together at close range - put 3 torpedoes into one for a kill, hit the second with 2 and finished with guns while dodging a third TB run. Then my first tubes reloaded just as another Furutaka came around and island, so he ate 3 more torpedoes, somehow survived and lost his last 170 HP to an Arkansas Beta that hadn't left our start for the entire round. Dodged yet another TB run before I finally got to the Langley that had been after me since the round started. I shot his engines out twice and then gave him some torpedoes as well since it seemed fitting!
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 15:53
|
|
|
Scikar posted:Come on guys Furutaka isn't that bad! Burn the witch! 
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 15:57
|
|
|
Scikar posted:Come on guys Furutaka isn't that bad! Bad opinions itt.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 16:05
|
|
|
Michaellaneous posted:Wow, that is some poo poo opinion right here. No, see, that's the problem. I seem to spend half the game chasing to close with targets but unable to fire because of range. Then when I make range I can't close to brawling distance because every oval office and his uncle can simply outrun me. Or I've taken so much damage from longer range weapons that I'm a third dead and burning stem to stern. I have no interest in engaging at max range, because that is loving stupid. I just cannot get the ship in to an appropriate fighting range like I could the previous battleships. I had a game a few days ago where it took over ten minutes to make range to fire my first shot despite steaming at full towards the enemy. Because I simply could not produce enough speed to close on the enemy fleet, and they chose not to drive to me (they actually went for caps). It's the most boring boat I've played so far. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Aug 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 16:06
|
|
|
Scikar posted:Come on guys Furutaka isn't that bad! Zero Gravitas posted:Burn the witch! I do think the Furutaka has a worse reputation than its actual performance. While it reloads slowly and the turret drives aren't exactly fast. It does have a rather big punch. It can be used quite well against distant DDs, with the rather good shell speed and trajectory. And citadeling other cruisers does net nice big numbers.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 16:12
|
|
|
How do the ratings for a ship's stats correspond to the actual values? Does a ship with 100 survivability mean that ship has more HP than any other ship in the game? What about things like AA or artillery; how exactly do they weigh different batteries that have varying rants and damage on the same ship ?
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 16:50
|
|
|
Honestly, judging by the server stats, at least for SEA, the real stinker in this game seems to be the Izumo. Which really sucks considering it's a tier 9 and thus the grind to get through it must be horrific. For actual numbers, the forums have been helpful for once, though admittedly all they're doing is pulling them from another site that actually collates this data. Here's the chart for the top 10% of players, with Tier 9 bolded. pre:USN Winrate Damage IJN Winrate Damage South Carolina 66.35 22390 Kawachi 66.98 19429 Arkansas Beta 60.68 34295 Ishizuchi 58.76 24128 Wyoming 62.84 35289 Myogi 58.44 23758 New York 58.41 41102 Kongo 57.35 40894 New Mexico 57.08 53134 Fuso 57.13 54008 Colorado 52.3 46183 Nagato 52.86 54410 NorthCarolina 55.01 67103 Amagi 52.48 66185 Iowa 62.96 87181 Izumo 50.79 69867 Montana 58.17 97702 Yamato 58.74 106276
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 17:14
|
|
|
USN DDs are really amazing once you stop trying to play them like IJN DDs. Should I bother with the Mk15 mod. 0 torpedoes? +9 Knots seems pretty minuscule, plus the damage loss makes them a toss up.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 17:17
|
|
|
9 knots seems like a pretty big deal to me, but I'm only on tier 4 DD's.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 17:55
|
|
|
Xae posted:USN DDs are really amazing once you stop trying to play them like IJN DDs. Well, would it make getting more torpedo hits noticeably easier while you keep using your guns for your bread and butter?
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 17:58
|
|
|
Trying to get in wins with very limited play time has been painful to say the least, poo poo like this is the usual  
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 18:14
|
|
|
Michi88 posted:Trying to get in wins with very limited play time has been painful to say the least, poo poo like this is the usual When are you normally on now? I could use a teammate for the Ibuki.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 18:14
|
|
|
wdarkk posted:When are you normally on now? I could use a teammate for the Ibuki. If i do get the chance it is usually around 2am est. So when everyone is gone lol
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 18:22
|
|
|
Sometimes you do your best Spam HE at everything and everyone and you still get a defeat. But it might be profitable:  
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 18:23
|
|
|
Michi88 posted:If i do get the chance it is usually around 2am est. So when everyone is gone lol Ack. I hope you'll have some free time at some point, I enjoyed On another note, can the Zao citadel an Iowa with AP? I know it can do an Izumo because I saw a video of it.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 18:30
|
|
|
The Aoba is god drat hillarious. I don't think i'll ever get tired of just charging face first into BB's, tanking their poo poo then turning at the last second and torping them to death
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 18:35
|
|
|
wdarkk posted:Ack. I hope you'll have some free time at some point, I enjoyed On a broadside maybe, but if a NC or Iowa is showing you their side, either they are terrible or are distracted.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 19:06
|
|
|
Lord Koth posted:Honestly, judging by the server stats, at least for SEA, the real stinker in this game seems to be the Izumo. Which really sucks considering it's a tier 9 and thus the grind to get through it must be horrific. I wish I could have a gander at the Izumo's armor profile on that 3d models website so that I could at least see how it's laid out. But really, what cripples the ship is its stock speed, and especially its rudder shift speed. The stock Izumo has to deal with going at a dainty pace of around 20-24 knots (reaching its top speed is rare when you have to maneuver so much at higher tiers) and turning at the blistering speed of thirty shift seconds, which is by far and large the worst I've seen in this game. You can get an upgrade which increases that to a mediocre 22 seconds, but that's locked behind a C hull upgrade that'll cost you around one hundred thousand experience, AND ten million credits to get. Other laughable upgrades include a fire control system which gives you the 21-kilometer firing range that other battleships several tiers lower already had, and a massive... three thousand extra horsepower to your boilers. This ship, despite having the three turrets on the front, and the triple gun design on said turrets being a staple for allowing ships to be smaller and more compact, is just about as long as a Fuso and even an Amagi. But you turn slower than these ships, even upgraded! So you eat a lot of poo poo, and it doesn't feel especially tough despite being several times slower than the Amagi. I also have a feeling it's broader than the average battleship, and there's almost nothing on the nice, polished-off deck surface to stop shells from dropping into you. All the turrets being on the front is ironically the least worst thing about this ship: it's actually okay. It won't bother you that much. But the rest of the ship is just garbage, and after you finally upgrade it fully, you're playing 249.000 experience on a ship that is bigger and slower than its predecessors, and doesn't do anything any better than them other than shoot 0.8 kilometers farther. I think I've said this before and I'll say it again: it's a joke that this ship has to contend against Iowas. It can't, it's just too slow and unwieldy and average.  Plus its conning tower looks like a collage of metal crap (admittedly, this is the stock hull). Avoid this line until they buff this thing somehow, OR you can spend the copious amounts of gold on the free experience that all the Yamato players on the server undoubtedly converted off of their Atagos to get past this thing without having to play it. Either plan works. OSad fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Aug 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 19:19
|
|
|
Clumped turrets like that aren't really to make the ship shorter, they're to minimize citadel length. The Nelsons are quite long ships actually, but they can have a low fraction of the waterline armored. It's a real shame the rear turret faces backwards though. xthetenth fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Aug 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 19:30
|
|
|
Gapey Joe Stalin posted:No, see, that's the problem. I seem to spend half the game chasing to close with targets but unable to fire because of range. Then when I make range I can't close to brawling distance because every oval office and his uncle can simply outrun me. Or I've taken so much damage from longer range weapons that I'm a third dead and burning stem to stern. Pretty much everyone lemmings to the same 1-2 points every game of botes in every map. Just sail to those points and murder everything. Also gently caress you have like an 18km range with your plane how are you getting outranged. You should post a replay because I'm actually mystified how you're managing to get bad games in a ship that's this powerful.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 19:33
|
|
|
Can some of you guys add me to contact lists? Waaahmbulance is my ingame handle.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 19:39
|
|
|
Hazdoc posted:Wow, the Bogue is pretty rear end. Either you take the 2 squads to have a fighter and a TB, or you go full "I don't like EXP" and do double fighter or "I don't like having planes" and 2 DB 1 TB. I seem to win most of mine when i use the bomber module, and its fun focusing one ship down with the groups you have, plus goading the other player's fighter aircraft into a group of cruisers is fun.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 19:50
|
|
|
Just lost a battle because some utter shitstain driving a Minekaze missed an entire salvo of torpedoes at a stationary Langley, then drove in to 4km range and tried to sink it with guns, and instead he was sunk by the secondaries. From a loving Langley. My Kuma is an idiot magnet, I haven't won a battle in it for two days, some Dunning-Kruger example in a Murmansk who can't put down a HE firing Kongo gets torped to death by a Minekaze from point blank, after the Minekaze sinks another destroyer right next to him first. "I didn't have a rudder" the fuckwit screamed, as though that excused him totally ignoring a half health destroyer in the middle of his loving broadside arc until it killed him, helping to feed it a high calibre. Nevermind that I killed a Tenryu, Kuma and South Carolina before running out of hp, I should shut up because I'm the rookie who dies before he did. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Aug 5, 2015 |
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 20:06
|
|
|
By the way, the several times I've checked TS it seems it's pretty dead... Does no one play this game in a group? The chat channel situation seems pretty hosed too (stop making solo rooms tards)
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 21:06
|
|
|
I just had the most  moment in game so far, you can skip to 2:25 if you don't want to watch all of it.Sorry for the laggy footage, this computer is poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Yg5bliHGs
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 21:23
|
|
|
Panfilo posted:How do the ratings for a ship's stats correspond to the actual values? Does a ship with 100 survivability mean that ship has more HP than any other ship in the game? Pretty sure survivability also incorporates armor values. Said armor values are no longer displayed to the player, of course. You used to be able to see how thick your turrets and citadels were.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 21:27
|
|
|
NTRabbit posted:Just lost a battle because some utter shitstain driving a Minekaze missed an entire salvo of torpedoes at a stationary Langley, then drove in to 4km range and tried to sink it with guns, and instead he was sunk by the secondaries. From a loving Langley. Alot of dudes in Japanese DD's seem to be firing their torpedoes from maximum range, i really question this style when they have ample opportunity to close in (on carriers for example) and guarantee their hits if they fire from 3km or less.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 21:31
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 16, 2024 08:58 |
|
|
Fizzil posted:Alot of dudes in Japanese DD's seem to be firing their torpedoes from maximum range, i really question this style when they have ample opportunity to close in (on carriers for example) and guarantee their hits if they fire from 3km or less. It's a reasonable thing to do when you're completely unspotted and want to attack from concealment. If you're spotted, though, it's time to either get the hell out and engage something else, or make an attempt to get in there and get at them.
|
|
#
?
Aug 5, 2015 21:32
|
|