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Skunkrocker posted:In two games 2K restored my faith in the system. I'm just not seeing how this could possibly be the case? As mentioned, the game they were most hands-on with was the worst-reviewed and the most stripped-down in the series yet. I can't speak to the mechanics but it looks like it's a large step backwards in every other way, especially playing 2K14 now and seeing how robust it is. I mean, all the stuff you say they took out half the creation suite to put in, mechanics-wise, has been in earlier non-2K iterations of the game. It's fine to say you're optimistic about it but I just can't see where the faith in 2K is coming from based on the two games we've seen them put out so far.
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flashy_mcflash posted:I'm just not seeing how this could possibly be the case? As mentioned, the game they were most hands-on with was the worst-reviewed and the most stripped-down in the series yet. I can't speak to the mechanics but it looks like it's a large step backwards in every other way, especially playing 2K14 now and seeing how robust it is. Create a Diva, Create an Arena, and Create a Championship have all been announced as being in 2K16. They removed them in 2K15, which is a step backwards, but when they did they said this: "For WWE 2K15, we were unable to support new versions of Create-an-Arena, Custom Divas, Create-a-Championship and Story Designer. This decision was extremely difficult, but a necessary one, in order to deliver a more focused and polished game. The primary reason we did not announce these changes earlier is due to the team working until the last minute to retain as many features as possible." Now look at what they did with the other Creation tools in 2K15. If you're going to tell me Create an Arena and Create a Championship aren't going to be vastly improved in comparison to what 2K14 offered or 2K15 on last gen consoles then you're blinded by the hatred you have for the fact they took these out in the first place. It's obvious that what they were working on wasn't finished and they were not going to inject the old code in. Now that's it IS finished and it IS going to be added back in I have no doubts in my mind with what they did with Create a Superstar that these things are going to end up being amazing. Again, like I said, 2K Sports did more in two games with the WWE Brand than THQ has done in years, and honestly I'm just not seeing how you CAN'T see it.
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Genericide posted:2K15 was stripped back to the point of just being funny. Every single aspect from roster to graphics to repeat animations and commentary felt like "gently caress it, that'll do". Nobody can say with a straight face that it was anywhere near ready, yet it was rushed out because of the dumb schedules games have to be released on. Not sure if they will fix that or not but they weren't showing the final build
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The problem with that line about how they had to cut these things in order to fully finish what actually was there is 1) 2k15 is still a glitchy mess, and 2) they say they didn't have time to polish everything and include previously standard features, but they did have time to get in order multiple pre-order packages, a DLC strategy, etc, and announce all of that before they had even shown any footage of the game actually running. They begged for pre-orders and were hawking a season pass off the back of one—admittedly impressive—screenshot of gorilla-faced John Cena. Then, a very short time before release and after most pre-orders would have been placed, then they say that oh, sorry guys, a bunch of totally standard features aren't going to be in. They flew the guy from VGCW in to show him the texture import tool so he'd give the CAW a nod of approval, but they didn't show him how limited everything else in CAW would be and he ended up backtracking on his endorsement and stuck with 2k14. They held out until the last possible minute to be open about what would be missing. They knew that what they were putting out wouldn't be accepted so they went out of their way to hide how much was being cut; the only reason 2k15 didn't go down as the biggest bait-and-switch swindle of the year is because people were still too pissed off at Gearbox for Colonial Marines. Right now you're in the Peter Molyneux trap. "This game is going to blow you away." "Okay, we over-promised and under-delivered last time, but this time we're fixing everything and it really will blow you away this year." "Okay, we over-promised and under-delivered last time, but this time we're fixing everything and it really will blow you away this year." "Okay, we over-promised and under-delivered last time, but this time we're fixing everything and it really will blow you away this year." edit: final build? Realistically, there's only another month and a half, at most, they can be developing this game before it has to go gold and is pushed out for pressing. Builds you're seeing now for a late October release are going to be close to finished. Contrary to what game publishers want you to believe, games are not 'pre-alpha' when they have voice acting and are a year into development, nor are they in 'beta' when they're a month from release and showing the game on a trade show floor. Whatever you ssee of 2k16 as of now is more or elss a final build. The only thing that can be said in its favour is that of course these days things can be patched, and they could set the game gold then work on patches for release day, so what's on the disc is worse but from day 1 everybody should get something a little better. pressedbunny fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Aug 5, 2015 |
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Aug 5, 2015 16:27
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Were they up front about the "season pass" only including half of the planned DLC? Or was that something they announced later?
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2K16 will suck, and then for 2K17 they'll add a single CAW slot or something nobody cares about and the graphics will still look like poo poo and Skunk will say "good enough" and buy it Repeat until either WWE's death or 2K's death
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Skunkrocker posted:Create a Diva, Create an Arena, and Create a Championship have all been announced as being in 2K16. They removed them in 2K15, which is a step backwards, but when they did they said this: its shite mate
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Chris James 2 posted:2K16 will suck, and then for 2K17 they'll add a single CAW slot or something nobody cares about and the graphics will still look like poo poo and Skunk will say "good enough" and buy it Or Skunk's death
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Aug 5, 2015 17:08
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there is a reason we never find out anything about the actual core of the game until like three days before it comes out and that is because it is trash
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Chris James 2 posted:2K16 will suck, and then for 2K17 they'll add a single CAW slot or something nobody cares about and the graphics will still look like poo poo and Skunk will say "good enough" and buy it But... but that didn't happen. Are you living in another reality? SVR 2011 - Same as SVR 2010, only with a physics engine and WWE Universe mode is added. Almost no changes. '12 - Same as SVR 2011, obviously dropping the SVR tag. Grapple system removed, moves now based on physical condition. Comebacks are added. Very few changes. Somehow the graphics got worse. '13 - Same as WWE '12, with Attitude Era mode. Creative suite gets a bit of an overhaul, but not by much. Bunch of changes to how animations work, but nothing substantial. Adds customization to Create a Title, but gives barebones options that never get updated. Only good part of the game is Attitude Era mode and the Monday Night Wars stuff. Graphics remain lovely. 2K14 - Exactly the same as WWE '13, with 100 CAW slots. Little improved. Nothing gained. Other than losing a bunch of Attitude Era stars people liked that got replaced with a bunch of Wrestlemania stars no one cared about and every Wrestlemania arena but losing the ones people liked previously. First 2K game, but the game was already in progress when they got around to it and couldn't change much. Graphics remain lovely and honestly somehow seem to get even worse here. 2K15 - A very different games. Graphics drastically improved, even on last generation consoles. All new CAW system allows full editing of existing superstars, and no more overly goofy looking characters with fat bodies and spaghetti arms. Characters now look realistic. Combat system remains functionally the same, with a new chain grappling feature that wasn't perfect but was a step in the right direction. Universe mode updated for the first time in six years. CAW slots truncated, which is a negative, but the number has already gone up and is expected to go up further with the next game. First WWE game on PC in a long time, which took a while to happen. Still follows first day DLC model which a lot of games do, which people don't like but it's a standard of the industry now as lovely as that is. Importable graphics without having to use the lovely Paint Tool/hacking. Career Mode returns. While other things are missing, 2K Devs said they would be in the next game. Worst part about the game? Diamond Dallas Page looks like Dog the Bounty Hunter. 2K16 - While the game isn't out yet, obviously, we've already been told 120+ unique characters, including a bunch of NXT guys people love, a huge chunk of the Create suite is back including Divas, Chain Grappling updated and hopefully improved, combat system is being reworked fixing finishers, reversals, submissions, and rope breaks. Graphics look even better now. Golden Bee posted:Or Skunk's death WWE video games end with my death. You heard it here first. After I die 2K will close the doors on the WWE development forever in my honor.
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Armitage posted:I usually play starting from the mid 80s in these TEW games. Sting dies in every game I play from that era. He's alive in my game, but he keeps just signing up for WING tours that never happen because they don't hire enough wrestlers he's essentially been unemployed for the past 3 years and has F overness throughout America Which is great
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triplexpac posted:Seriously though, I will agree that DDP looks horrendous in WWE 2k15 and they should feel really ashamed of themselves for that character model. They can't use "we had to model it by hand because he's old as poo poo" because modders in 48 hours of the PC release had a better version created and uploaded AND Hogan and Sting came out looking great.
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Holy poo poo, I might be able to get Paul Ellering to play Paul Bear.
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Psssssh...2k....FIRE PRO WRESTLING RETURNS, BABY! I do not need none them fancy glitchy 2k games when I already got the best game with saves updated and easily accessible(for PSN I guess, it was a pain on the Ps2 to find the ARMAX and have it work). I wish more developers like Spike would put out other non WWE wrestling games.
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pressedbunny posted:Right now you're in the Peter Molyneux trap. "In WWE 2K16, you start the game as a fresh-faced NXT recruit. As a part of a team-building exercise, you plant a seedling outside the Performance Center on your first day. Return to that spot later as grizzled WWE veteran in the middle of your third world title reign and it will have grown into a strong, magnificent oak."
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I do wish someone would make a wrestling game that understands it's more about the back and forth. I'm always disappointed when a 2k14 match becomes a beatdown, even when I'm the one administering it, and I find myself trying to give the CPU opportunities to get a few moves in at least. You'd have to go way beyond the makeup of a traditional sports or fighting game, and set things up so that the fight will always swing back and forth, while still "keeping kayfabe" enough to let the outcome hinge on your skill.
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Perry Normal posted:Holy poo poo, I might be able to get Paul Ellering to play Paul Bear. Nice. I've got a Jim Cornette vs Bobby Heenan feud (fought through VADER and Ted Dibiase) as my main event storyline. Managers own, but they own even more when they're named Paul Bear and managing a guy in a bear suit
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Out of curiosity, does anyone else's PSN version of Fire Pro Wrestling Returns have weird graphical errors during the loading screen and during matches, which sometimes leads to the game freezing/crashing? Like the graphics bug out and something stretches across the screen real quick.
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I want a wrestling game with a story mode that's styled after a Persona game I want to spend time after the PPV with John Cena and have a heart to heart that allows me to use some of his skills I want to do side quests backstage that involve getting a bunch of useless trinkets for Zeb Colter or feeding Lana's cat But really I want to max out my Social Link with Cesaro
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I Before E posted:I want a wrestling game with a story mode that's styled after a Persona game > You have become friends with John Cena! > John Cena will now DIE FOR YOU
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Delsaber posted:> You have become friends with John Cena! That's not realistic at all. >You have become friends with John Cena! >You will now job for John Cena! >John Cena will never save or support you!
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I Before E posted:I want a wrestling game with a story mode that's styled after a Persona game > You are now over > You will fight Triple H at Summer Slam > You have been buried by Triple H
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What wrestling games need is the option to either play it like a real fight or book the finish before the match starts. You should also be able to call an audible no matter what original option you chose, in case the player, or somehow the CPU, puts on an amazing performance and deserves to go over.
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KungFu Grip posted:Out of curiosity, does anyone else's PSN version of Fire Pro Wrestling Returns have weird graphical errors during the loading screen and during matches, which sometimes leads to the game freezing/crashing? Like the graphics bug out and something stretches across the screen real quick. Every time I save the little disc icon glitches out like crazy, but that's it on my end. I've never had stretches or any real problems with freezing/crashing. Marquis de Pyro posted:Nice. I've got a Jim Cornette vs Bobby Heenan feud (fought through VADER and Ted Dibiase) as my main event storyline. Managers own, but they own even more when they're named Paul Bear and managing a guy in a bear suit What promotion are you playing as? You're doing a 1990 database, right? EDIT - Also, is that a heel vs heel thing? "The Bad News Bear" Ursus is unleashed. He'll run wild until I can hire Ellering and then he'll get some direction. Ursamajor ruled as a name too, but it felt too long with the BNB nickname.
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No, it's URSUS, all caps like in Tekken
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Borrowed Ladder posted:What wrestling games need is the option to either play it like a real fight or book the finish before the match starts. You should also be able to call an audible no matter what original option you chose, in case the player, or somehow the CPU, puts on an amazing performance and deserves to go over. Yeah this is what I want from a wrestling game. The best I can do is to play as the person I want to lose, beat up the other person but do a bunch of near falls, then stop playing for 2 minutes or however long it takes the CPU to win.
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Perry Normal posted:Every time I save the little disc icon glitches out like crazy, but that's it on my end. I've never had stretches or any real problems with freezing/crashing. I started in 1987 as the AWA, immediately fired nearly everyone and hired better work rate guys. It's been interesting actually having to function on a reasonable budget since usually I just create my own promotion and give myself a ton of cash so I can just sandbox it and do what I want. I've already had a bunch of disasters, such as having Curt Hennig hotshot the title to Ric Flair, only for him to immediately be hired to a written deal by the WWF and refuse to drop the belt back to Hennig. Fortunately, I was able to bring in Bret Hart (who left WWF to go on a tour with NJPW) and Flair agreed to lose to him. Naturally, about 6 months later the WWF came in and hired Hart, Hennig, and Muraco for way more money than I could pay. It was a heel vs heel thing, I started it because I was basically left with Vader and Dibiase as the only guys who were legitimately main event level over, and the incredible mic abilities of 3 of the 4 (and vader being vader) makes up for the little heel/heel penalty. I've been able to build up some other guys since, and now my top level guys are Vader, Dibiase, Ricky Steamboat (6 month freelancer contract, I don't know if he'll stick around), Shawn Michaels, Terry Gordy (also a freelancer), Owen Hart, Rick Rude, Brian Pillman, and the Steiner Brothers. I'm trying to build up Art Barr, Marty Jannetty, and THE POWERS OF PAIN as well. Meanwhile, the WWF has Junkyard Dog and the Honky Tonk Man as the top champs, and seems to be enjoying main event 6 mans of Hogan, Flair, and Bob Orton Jr. (heel) vs Savage, Piper, and JYD (face) Well. They were. Until Randy Savage suffered a severed spine in a match. So now they've moved in Paul Orndorff in his place. World Class Wrestling (Von Erichs) is actually doing about as well as me and way better than WCW as the WWF alternative, behind Bobby Eaton, Barry Windham, Bruiser Brody, and Tully Blanchard on top. I'm loving the way this world is going so far. Complete chaos behind the WWF in the USA, Hulk Hogan as a heel, and Sting/Lex Luger as complete non entitys + The Road Warriors, the future Undertaker, Scott Hall, and Kevin/Kerry Von Erich all wrestling in Japan. It's making everything go completely off the rails compared to reality already.
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I Before E posted:I want a wrestling game with a story mode that's styled after a Persona game every game in existence can benefit from tacking on dating sim-esque systems
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MotU posted:every game in existence can benefit from tacking on dating sim-esque systems Keep giving Bowser book covers until he loves you.
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ZDar Fan posted:They should go back to making games where this can happen This gif should be the whole of 2K16's design document. E: also take the invisible walls off the Cell roof please. Let us fall freely and with abandon.
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1st AD posted:Yeah this is what I want from a wrestling game. The best I can do is to play as the person I want to lose, beat up the other person but do a bunch of near falls, then stop playing for 2 minutes or however long it takes the CPU to win.
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