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Axetrain posted:He's voting for the person with the most military experience? Did he vote for John Kerry in 2004? Or Al Gore in 2000, or Jimmy Carter in 1980 (Reagan was technically in the military, but he made propaganda films).
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Are you saying that hiding in a Birmingham bar to avoid being sent to Vietnam isn't the same level of service as earning a purple heart?
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My Man Shran posted:Are you saying that hiding in a Birmingham bar to avoid being sent to Vietnam isn't the same level of service as earning a purple heart? Yes.
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Twelve by Pies posted:So today on my mom's couch I saw a book titled America 2020: The Survival Blueprint, obviously something her husband has started reading. It had a forward by Ron Paul so I knew it had to be "good" and I looked up the company that published it, Stansberry Investment Research. This is a true story about a friend of mine: His great great Grandfather made a sizable amount of money selling his greeting card company to Hallmark in (I believe) the late 70's. He took that money and through smart investing managed to turn it into a low 7 figure lump of money. His family has pretty much lived off the money (along with interest and other investments) for the last 30ish years. My friends mother is the executer of the estate now. She started dating a prepper and she decided to become one too. That 7 figure sum of money has been whittled away to the point that she shut down a business that my friend ran (that she financed), gutted the place, and had to sell everything to make ends meet. She has spent so much money on a prepper bunker, on "food insurance" along with guns and ammo. I know people said not to worry, but she was fine as little as 10 years ago. Make sure to keep an eye on your Mom.
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One thing I will never understand about preppers. If you genuinely believe that you will see the total breakdown of civilization in your lifetime, and wind up in a post-apocalyptic, scavenger scenario... why the gently caress are you so dedicated to the idea of setting up a bunker fortress to live in? Like, maybe I'm the crazy one here, but it seems like just dying might be a mercy in that case.
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Aug 6, 2015 04:32
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Keeshhound posted:One thing I will never understand about preppers. If you genuinely believe that you will see the total breakdown of civilization in your lifetime, and wind up in a post-apocalyptic, scavenger scenario... why the gently caress are you so dedicated to the idea of setting up a bunker fortress to live in? Like, maybe I'm the crazy one here, but it seems like just dying might be a mercy in that case. I'm pretty sure most preppers are more wishing for the breakdown than fearing it.
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Keeshhound posted:One thing I will never understand about preppers. If you genuinely believe that you will see the total breakdown of civilization in your lifetime, and wind up in a post-apocalyptic, scavenger scenario... why the gently caress are you so dedicated to the idea of setting up a bunker fortress to live in? Like, maybe I'm the crazy one here, but it seems like just dying might be a mercy in that case. Because they want to sit trapped in a small bunker alone or with their family (who is going crazy) for 20 years feeling that sweet sweet smug pride of being right!
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Aug 6, 2015 04:37
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Keeshhound posted:it seems like just dying might be a mercy in that case. Then you miss the pleasure of mowing down an endless wave of Or, alternatively: black powder weapons like our founding fathers would have used since you read online that you can fit more death in your bunker if it's in ball and powder form than modern ammo, like in that episode of that doomsday prepper reality show.
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I always felt "The Day After" showed the most realistic potrayel of what would happen to "preppers" when Doomsday would happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yif-5cKg1Yo&t=105m28s So yeah, enjoy being robbed by a band of survivors desperate for any sort of food.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I always felt "The Day After" showed the most realistic potrayel of what would happen to "preppers" when Doomsday would happen. Yeah I feel like "knowing the right people" or "having a very useful skill or knowledge set" are bigger factors than "has a bunch of food behind a door" in surviving such a scenario. If the world went rear end up, knowing how to tend some basic crops or hunt and trap wild game or treat illness with limited supplies are things people really can't "take" from you like actual supplies, but which are also valuable such that you might be able to find a group, and groups would be a key survival enabler. I know computers and video games so I'd probably be dead within a week, if I'm generous.  Short of TFR and GWS teaming up to bring in wayward Goons to the post-apocalypse Order of Lowtax of course.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I always felt "The Day After" showed the most realistic potrayel of what would happen to "preppers" when Doomsday would happen. Well in reality you'd probably see regular farming communities set back up because it's not like everyone forgot how to farm.
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Got into a discussion about whether Jesus would support welfare. I used the "render unto Caesar" line. He responded with "he who does not work.." After making fun of him for using one of Lenin's favorite quotes, I am expecting him to double down. Any other good Bible quotes that show that Jesus did not care if people work, just help them out.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Got into a discussion about whether Jesus would support welfare. I used the "render unto Caesar" line. He responded with "he who does not work.." After making fun of him for using one of Lenin's favorite quotes, I am expecting him to double down. Luke 6:30 - "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." Then there is the biblical principle of gleaning, which basically says that you can't harvest certain portions of your fields because they are to be left for the poor, widows and strangers to harvest without fee. Anubis fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Aug 6, 2015 |
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Aug 6, 2015 05:57
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Anubis posted:Luke 6:30 - "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." Easily trumped by Falwell 69:69 which reads...and I'm paraphrasing here...gently caress you. Got Mine. FuzzySkinner posted:I always felt "The Day After" showed the most realistic potrayel of what would happen to "preppers" when Doomsday would happen. Just called my mother to say I love her and hugged my cat. gently caress you for letting me see any part of that. 
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Anubis posted:Luke 6:30 - "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." Thank you so much.
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Keeshhound posted:One thing I will never understand about preppers. If you genuinely believe that you will see the total breakdown of civilization in your lifetime, and wind up in a post-apocalyptic, scavenger scenario... why the gently caress are you so dedicated to the idea of setting up a bunker fortress to live in? Like, maybe I'm the crazy one here, but it seems like just dying might be a mercy in that case. Preppers are people who have "failed" at current societal standards for success so they cling to the idea that they would be at the top of the food chain if society went to poo poo and all the people better off than them would fail. It's basically just a form of escapist fantasy for poor people who like survivalist culture.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Got into a discussion about whether Jesus would support welfare. I used the "render unto Caesar" line. He responded with "he who does not work.." After making fun of him for using one of Lenin's favorite quotes, I am expecting him to double down. The line is "he who is not willing to work shall not eat." I know a lot of people want to believe "welfare queens" are just lazy, but those who want to work and can't find a job don't fit that saying.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Got into a discussion about whether Jesus would support welfare. I used the "render unto Caesar" line. He responded with "he who does not work.." After making fun of him for using one of Lenin's favorite quotes, I am expecting him to double down. I mean, he could just as easily say "I guess Lenin was right about some things," since that is in 2 Thesseloneons 3 or however it's spelled. The important tidbits, though, are quote:On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” The underlined is pretty equivocal, since it's vague about whether they DO have the right to it regardless of whether they worked or not, simply because they are hungry and thus are given food, though opting to work for it anyway as a model, -or- they mean the awful conservative definition. The former has a much stronger case to me because there's a lot more grandstanding about feeding the poor because it's "good" rather than making them jump through hoops for it, but whatever.
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Rick_Hunter posted:Easily trumped by Falwell 69:69 which reads...and I'm paraphrasing here...gently caress you. Got Mine. My bad on that  .Yeah don't watch this movie unless you really want to ruin your day.
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Forgive for the deviation back to the thread's original purpose,, but my normally squeaky clean inbox caught this a few hours ago.quote:"IF YOU CAN'T FIX IT WITH A HAMMER, YOU'VE GOT AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM" Suckers. I already don't vote
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Lemma posted:Forgive for the deviation back to the thread's original purpose,, but my normally squeaky clean inbox caught this a few hours ago. I know that's an older one, but man it's rare to see such unbridled hatred. "You think this is demeaning? gently caress yeah it is." Like, no gussying it up. Just 100% if you're poor, gently caress you. You don't deserve creature comforts, you don't deserve dignity.
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We can't have people on welfare voting, that's a conflict of interest, they'll vote to give themselves more stuff. It's not a conflict of interest when rich people vote to give themselves more stuff though, because
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Also, 11th hour comeback: More like fix it with a hammer and sickle AM I RIIIIGHT?!
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quote:This was written by a 21 yr. old female who gets it. It's her future she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion. I don't know that giving people scurvy is the best way to prepare them for employment. But I do love that last suggestion too. No voting rights for anyone on government assistance: Oil execs, bankers, defense contractors, farmers, and anyone who elects to take the mortgage deduction, sounds great. I assume these moochers aren't allowed to participate in the political process in any way since it's a conflict of interest right: no campaign donations or support of any kind for any politicians, yeah?
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Got into a discussion about whether Jesus would support welfare. I used the "render unto Caesar" line. He responded with "he who does not work.." After making fun of him for using one of Lenin's favorite quotes, I am expecting him to double down. I've also heard, I think in this thread, that there's some additional missing context to that line. Specifically, some people were choosing not to work, because the Rapture's coming tomorrow so why bother laboring all day, and Paul is mocking them, suggesting they not bother eating, for the same reason.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:I used the "render unto Caesar" line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhJ7NmU6lJI
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Talking to someone I went to high school with tonight was interesting. His solution to people abusing social services is to put their kids in boarding schools and cut all benefits to adults. He was half a step away from calling for forced sterilization in order to qualify for food stamps. His father is a doctor who runs a big physical therapy center for disabled folks, btw.
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My Man Shran posted:Or, alternatively: black powder weapons like our founding fathers would have used since you read online that you can fit more death in your bunker if it's in ball and powder form than modern ammo, like in that episode of that doomsday prepper reality show. Oh Jesus. I remember a couple years ago I was staying with family for the holidays and there was a marathon of that show going on. It was like watching a trainwreck; the parts that stick most in my mind was the focal guy rigging up an automated turret that he armed with an airsoft gun so that it would shoot whoever walked into a hallway, and then gleefully talking with his equally insane subordinates about arming it with an actual firearm, and then them rigging up the entrance to one guy's bunker with, and I'm not loving kidding here, a spiked bar that would swing down from the ceiling, turning the handrail into a remote operated flamethrower that engulfed the entire staircase in fire, and then electrifying the door, in case that somehow didn't stop the thronging hordes. The one island of sanity in the entire sea of idiocy and madness was one of the company's delivery drivers hiring them to make a two-day storm shelter because he lived in Louisiana. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Aug 6, 2015 |
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All of that sounds wildly illegal.
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Radish posted:All of that sounds wildly illegal. I literally sat through the whole thing making this face  because I am bad at utilizing my time properly.
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Radish posted:All of that sounds wildly illegal. 
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Guavanaut posted:Well you don't actually arm the turret or power the electrified rails until society has collapsed, and by that point what court is going to try you? It certainly would be something to see the first complete collapse of a society in all of human history. You know, instead of the fragmentation and reorganization that has characterized every other "collapse". My point being, the old court may not try them, but the People's Court of the Irradiated Debt Waste might.
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Well it's obviously going to happen this time, otherwise why are they spending so much time and money on underground bunkers with electric flame turrets?
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Guavanaut posted:Well it's obviously going to happen this time, otherwise why are they spending so much time and money on underground bunkers with electric flame turrets? Because it is still cheaper than the micro transaction games.
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computer parts posted:Well in reality you'd probably see regular farming communities set back up because it's not like everyone forgot how to farm. The southwest would be a shitshow, because around here pretty much everyone did, or they never knew how. The only thing I know how to farm here is cactus.
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Keeshhound posted:Oh Jesus. I remember a couple years ago I was staying with family for the holidays and there was a marathon of that show going on. It was like watching a trainwreck; the parts that stick most in my mind was the focal guy rigging up an automated turret that he armed with an airsoft gun so that it would shoot whoever walked into a hallway, and then gleefully talking with his equally insane subordinates about arming it with an actual firearm, them rigging up the entrance to one guy's bunker with, and I'm not loving kidding here, a spiked bar that would swing down from the ceiling, turning the handrail into a remote operated flamethrower that engulfed the entire staircase in fire, and then electrifying the door, in case that somehow didn't stop the thronging hordes. These Home Alone sequels are getting dark.
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Keeshhound posted:Oh Jesus. I remember a couple years ago I was staying with family for the holidays and there was a marathon of that show going on. It was like watching a trainwreck; the parts that stick most in my mind was the focal guy rigging up an automated turret that he armed with an airsoft gun so that it would shoot whoever walked into a hallway, and then gleefully talking with his equally insane subordinates about arming it with an actual firearm, them rigging up the entrance to one guy's bunker with, and I'm not loving kidding here, a spiked bar that would swing down from the ceiling, turning the handrail into a remote operated flamethrower that engulfed the entire staircase in fire, and then electrifying the door, in case that somehow didn't stop the thronging hordes. Well, as long as they don't hurt themselves while doing all this dumb stuff... Oh wait.
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The whole thing sounds kind of totalitarian, and everyone of the ideas suggested has been proven very ineffective if memory serves correct. Also, you're up in arms over a loving frozen pizza? Something you get when you can't afford a real one? Something that on the low end I can find for a loving dollar? I doubt that it was actually a 21 year old school teacher. I bet it was a white, male, baby boomer.
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This was his response to my quotes about feeding everyone and how he used a Lenin quote:Big Idiot On Facebook posted:Yes, Lenin like most on the left lied about what they actually stood for. They promised Utopia and made everyone equally poor except for those in power. What's your point? Oh and as long as we are quoting Lenin here is another one: "The goal of socialism is communism." And another one: "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." Also, where in any of those verses did it say to pass off those responsibilities to the State? It didn't . There is a difference between charity of your own free will and outsourcing it to the State. Socialism is absolving yourself of any responsibility to give to others yourself which isn't what Jesus wanted. I now realize that Hitler said the lie comment through Mein Kampf and I cannot find if Lenin said that about socialism. Here is my response: [quote="Dumbass Arguing with Big Idiot"] Keep spinning Ben. You started off stating that Jesus did not want us to give to the government to help poor people. I proved you wrong with his quote. You then spun around to try to say that God only wants those who work to eat. I proved you wrong again while as a side note pointed out that you yourself apparently support Communistic ideas. You then spun to "SOCIALISM BAD! COMMUNISM BAD!" while also spinning back to Jesus did not want us to give to the government to help the poor even though I had proved that point wrong already. "Socialism is absolving yourself of any responsibility to give to others yourself which isn't what Jesus wanted." So giving to an entity (the government) to help poor people is bad, but giving to an entity (a charity) to help poor people is good. Well that makes perfect sense. Does your head get dizzy from doing so many spins? Now, what? Do you spin back to the "no work, no eat" line? Here is a good one (Luke 6:30) from the Sermon on the Mount: "30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." You also have the Biblical idea of gleaning which was punishable by the government. Just in case you decide not to read it, I will give you a hint of what it is: it was WELFARE! (that even Jesus and his disciples used so that they could eat) http://biblehub.com/topical/g/gleaning.htm [quote]
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It's interesting that "For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies" has such a different meaning when interpreted through a marxist lens. The people unwilling to work are not poor lazy assholes who are just cruising through life on welfare, it's the capital class. Owning capital is not work, but it entitles the owners to "Act like busybodies." Those are the men unwilling to work, not the poor. Those are the men who shall not eat.
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