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Applebees: Jul 23, 2013; yospos

Angry Grimace posted:

The read-between-the-lines announcement is that you can't buy Commander products from the store on MTGO anymore, the cards only get circulated through cube rewards.

Nice call. http://wizardsmtgo.tumblr.com/post/126027089709/will-legendary-cube-be-the-only-way-to-get

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Antifa Spacemarine: Jan 11, 2011; Tzeentch can suck it.

Applebees posted:

Nice call. http://wizardsmtgo.tumblr.com/post/126027089709/will-legendary-cube-be-the-only-way-to-get

Until MODO has some actually sane way to buy singles, there's no way this will be good.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 00:37

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

Shaman Ooglaboogla posted:

Until MODO has some actually sane way to buy singles, there's no way this will be good.

if any of those cards become Vintage/Legacy staples this will lead to the most hilariously lopsided MODO/RL price differential

# ? Aug 7, 2015 00:41

Angry Grimace: Jul 29, 2010; ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Shaman Ooglaboogla posted:

Until MODO has some actually sane way to buy singles, there's no way this will be good.

I like the idea because nobody buys online precons for any reason other than that one Legacy playable card in the deck. You can justify it with paper products because lots of people actually do buy Commander decks to play them unaltered.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 00:46

little munchkin: Aug 15, 2010

Angry Grimace posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3g1piq/you_play_casual_mtg_draft_at_local_store_opponent/

Which doesn't contain his creepy response on local chat: "I think I accomplished my mission tho. I was fully aware of how this kid would feel like inside and this was intended action to mentally punch back. I simply just had my enchantment casted outside."

So, uh, there's that.

that guy is extremely cool

# ? Aug 7, 2015 00:55

Dohaeris: Mar 24, 2012; Often known as SniperGuy

What would you guys replace the Satyrs from Joel Larsson's RDW from the pro tour with? Or is that really just the best card for that slot? Really dislike that thing. He's got 3 Firedrinker Satyrs mainboard and 3 Firedancers sideboard. Heelcutters? Three seems a bit much. Rabblemaster? Trading a 1 mana for a 3 mana seems wrong.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 01:14

Applebees: Jul 23, 2013; yospos

TheKingofSprings posted:

if any of those cards become Vintage/Legacy staples this will lead to the most hilariously lopsided MODO/RL price differential

I'm not sure what effect this will have on the price of cards. The digital versions of True-Name Nemesis and Containment Priest are worth more than their paper counterparts. On the other hand, if you look at cards that were available through draft formats, they cost half as much online.

Wizards said Legendary Cube Prize Packs will contain six cards from a selection of 150 Legendary Cube cards. The distribution of the cards will be different from that of a regular booster pack, so it's hard to predict what the price of a chase card could be.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 01:32

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

Dohaeris posted:

What would you guys replace the Satyrs from Joel Larsson's RDW from the pro tour with? Or is that really just the best card for that slot? Really dislike that thing. He's got 3 Firedrinker Satyrs mainboard and 3 Firedancers sideboard. Heelcutters? Three seems a bit much. Rabblemaster? Trading a 1 mana for a 3 mana seems wrong.

I think the satyr is the only one drop red creature with a fixed 2 attack, that's a pretty good deal

# ? Aug 7, 2015 01:36

Hellsau: Jan 14, 2010; NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

I just fired up MTGO and opened the store tab:

So they're still releasing Intro Decks while not releasing Commander 2015? What the gently caress is wrong with the MTGO team?

# ? Aug 7, 2015 01:37

Ultima66: Sep 2, 2008

Hellsau posted:

I just fired up MTGO and opened the store tab:

So they're still releasing Intro Decks while not releasing Commander 2015? What the gently caress is wrong with the MTGO team?

Intro decks are a ripoff that only new players will buy, earning WotC money. Removing those from the store will not increase their sales of anything else while costing them that small segment of the market.

Commander decks set a price ceiling on certain cards and are primarily bought by players who know how to buy/sell cards. Removing those from the store forces people to spend more money on playing events or buying singles, increasing the number of players buying tickets and playing in their events.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 01:41

Boco_T: Mar 12, 2003; la calaca tilica y flaca

Dohaeris posted:

What would you guys replace the Satyrs from Joel Larsson's RDW from the pro tour with? Or is that really just the best card for that slot? Really dislike that thing. He's got 3 Firedrinker Satyrs mainboard and 3 Firedancers sideboard. Heelcutters? Three seems a bit much. Rabblemaster? Trading a 1 mana for a 3 mana seems wrong.

I'm putting in Smash to Smithereens in the board as at least a 3-of for Game Day. I think Firedancer was the card I was going to cut.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 01:42

rabidsquid: Oct 11, 2004; LOVES THE KOG

Hellsau posted:

I just fired up MTGO and opened the store tab:

So they're still releasing Intro Decks while not releasing Commander 2015? What the gently caress is wrong with the MTGO team?

Well you see if one of the cards in Commander 2015 becomes an eternal staple people will have to spend lots of money to get them. This is good, because we want people to spend lots of money. Intro Decks are massively priced on MTGO because they don't contain mythics and even really good rares don't stay over 5 tickets so people might accidentally spend way too much money to buy the Intro Deck, this is also good.

If you genuinely understand that the motivation behind the Commander 2015 not being sold in the store thing was literally People Have to Spend More Money this actually makes perfect sense. Any supplemental product that will be a ripoff for the player will continue being listed in the store in the future

# ? Aug 7, 2015 01:44

Fingers McLongDong: Nov 30, 2005; not eromenos; Fun Shoe

mandatory lesbian posted:

I think the satyr is the only one drop red creature with a fixed 2 attack, that's a pretty good deal

It's also the only red 1-drop that makes blocking with a caryatid seem like a bad idea.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 01:45

qbert: Oct 23, 2003; It's both thrilling and terrifying.

Fingers McLongDong posted:

It's also the only red 1-drop that makes blocking with a caryatid seem like a bad idea.

I can't find it but I think even Joel himself said Firedrinkers were a bad idea because he wasn't expecting so many other players in Mono-R. Like, if Mono-R becomes really popular now and all the builds are running 4 Searing Blood, then it's probably correct to replace them.

Not sure with what, though. I'm thinking maybe 1 Titan's Strength, 2 Eidolon, but who knows.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 01:59

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Dohaeris posted:

What would you guys replace the Satyrs from Joel Larsson's RDW from the pro tour with? Or is that really just the best card for that slot? Really dislike that thing. He's got 3 Firedrinker Satyrs mainboard and 3 Firedancers sideboard. Heelcutters? Three seems a bit much. Rabblemaster? Trading a 1 mana for a 3 mana seems wrong.

Josh Silvestri has some thoughts on the particulars of the PT red decks (and others)

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/red-deck-wins-the-pro-tour/

He considers Satyrs suboptimal atm given the current power and prevalence of Searing Blood.

His semi-weekly roundups are pretty good, imo

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:01

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

So what replaces the firedrinkers then, goblin glory chaser? Frenzied Goblin? Foundry Street Denizen?

None of them seem as good though.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:15

Fingers McLongDong: Nov 30, 2005; not eromenos; Fun Shoe

qbert posted:

I can't find it but I think even Joel himself said Firedrinkers were a bad idea because he wasn't expecting so many other players in Mono-R. Like, if Mono-R becomes really popular now and all the builds are running 4 Searing Blood, then it's probably correct to replace them.

Not sure with what, though. I'm thinking maybe 1 Titan's Strength, 2 Eidolon, but who knows.

Yeah searing blood kinda disappeared for a while but it's very popular again. Caryatid decks don't seem quite as abundant anymore either. I guess glory chaser is a better option right now?

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:22

Dohaeris: Mar 24, 2012; Often known as SniperGuy

Count Bleck posted:

So what replaces the firedrinkers then, goblin glory chaser? Frenzied Goblin? Foundry Street Denizen?

None of them seem as good though.

Thinking maybe a Titan's Strength and heelcutters? People seem to be maindecking Eidolons a lot. Maybe do 2 mainboard eidolons and a heelcutter, then have the other 2 in the side? Frees up some sideboard slots.

Current sideboard:
1x Chandra, Pyromaster
1x Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh
4x Eidolon of the Great Revel
4x Roast
1x Outpost Siege
1x Hall of Triumph (definitely iffy, given no tokens)
2x Arc Lightning
1x Molten Vortex

Maybe some scouring sands or as mentioned by someone else, Smash to Smithereens?

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:31

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

Count Bleck posted:

So what replaces the firedrinkers then, goblin glory chaser? Frenzied Goblin? Foundry Street Denizen?

None of them seem as good though.

frienzed goblin has the pay extra to gain haste right? that seems alright i guess?

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:35

rabidsquid: Oct 11, 2004; LOVES THE KOG

Just wait for them to reprint PLATED GEOPEDE!!!

I actually don't think they will because I am guessing they aren't just going to do Landfall again, and that card was a serious fucker in limited but it's one of my favorite red dorky aggro dudes of all-time

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:40

Andarel: Aug 4, 2015

It just wasn't as swag as Stromkirk Noble.

I still like Akki Avalanchers but they were so bad.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:42

Entropic: Feb 21, 2007; patriarchy sucks

Best standard aggro one-drop was Champion of the Parish. At least during ISD/RTR when you could go T1 Champion into T2 Burning-Tree Emissary + Lightning Mauler. God that deck was fun.

mandatory lesbian posted:

frienzed goblin has the pay extra to gain haste right? that seems alright i guess?

Frenzied Goblin is the 1/1 for R that can make something not block for R when it attacks.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:44

PJOmega: May 5, 2009

rabidsquid posted:

Just wait for them to reprint PLATED GEOPEDE!!!

I actually don't think they will because I am guessing they aren't just going to do Landfall again, and that card was a serious fucker in limited but it's one of my favorite red dorky aggro dudes of all-time

Utensil Geopede

1R

1/1

First Strike

Landfall - ~ gains +2/+0.

There, 100% fixed.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:44

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

Entropic posted:

Best standard aggro one-drop was Champion of the Parish. At least during ISD/RTR when you could go T1 Champion into T2 Burning-Tree Emissary + Lightning Mauler. God that deck was fun.

Frenzied Goblin is the 1/1 for R that can make something not block for R when it attacks.

Oh it's mini-Heelcutter, yeah that seems okay, unfortunate it can't attack past Caryatid but if that's on the decline it might be alright

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:47

qbert: Oct 23, 2003; It's both thrilling and terrifying.

Fingers McLongDong posted:

Yeah searing blood kinda disappeared for a while but it's very popular again. Caryatid decks don't seem quite as abundant anymore either. I guess glory chaser is a better option right now?

Not sure, but a lot of pros testing out the deck have said they hate Glory Chaser. It's just awful on the draw and bad anywhere other than T1 on the play.

I kind of like Eidolon just because I can't think of a single matchup that Mono-R isn't bringing that card in post-board. Even in the mirror match at the Pro Tour, both players brought in all their Eidolons. Seems like if you bring a card in on every matchup, that might just mean it's meant for the main.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:53

Gensuki: Sep 2, 2011

mandatory lesbian posted:

Oh it's mini-Heelcutter, yeah that seems okay, unfortunate it can't attack past Caryatid but if that's on the decline it might be alright

Caryatid is gone come zendikar.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:55

mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

Gensuki posted:

Caryatid is gone come zendikar.

we're talking about the right now hombre

# ? Aug 7, 2015 02:59

Fingers McLongDong: Nov 30, 2005; not eromenos; Fun Shoe

qbert posted:

Not sure, but a lot of pros testing out the deck have said they hate Glory Chaser. It's just awful on the draw and bad anywhere other than T1 on the play.

I kind of like Eidolon just because I can't think of a single matchup that Mono-R isn't bringing that card in post-board. Even in the mirror match at the Pro Tour, both players brought in all their Eidolons. Seems like if you bring a card in on every matchup, that might just mean it's meant for the main.

I haven't played a red deck in standard since last rotation but Eidolon seems really good right now. There's a strong burn package out right now and Eidolon affects board states and game math in a very serious way. One of my modern decks is burn and people probably hate seeing Eidolon more than anything else. Seems very good in standard at the moment.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 03:00

Night Danger Moose: Jan 5, 2004; YO SOY FIESTA

What about Zurgo Tinypants? R for his CC, 1R for dash if that strikes your fancy, 2/2 body.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 03:01

qbert: Oct 23, 2003; It's both thrilling and terrifying.

Night Danger Moose posted:

What about Zurgo Tinypants? R for his CC, 1R for dash if that strikes your fancy, 2/2 body.

He's already a 3-of in these decks.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 03:05

rabidsquid: Oct 11, 2004; LOVES THE KOG

mandatory lesbian posted:

we're talking about the right now hombre

Live in the now!

# ? Aug 7, 2015 03:08

Night Danger Moose: Jan 5, 2004; YO SOY FIESTA

qbert posted:

He's already a 3-of in these decks.

Reading is for dummies.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 03:10

Sarcastro: Dec 28, 2000; Elite member of the Grammar Nazi Squad that

Entropic posted:

Best standard aggro one-drop was Champion of the Parish. At least during ISD/RTR when you could go T1 Champion into T2 Burning-Tree Emissary + Lightning Mauler. God that deck was fun.

At an FNM I once had a game against a 10-year-old kid whose T1 play was Champion of the Parish, and whose T2 play was Champion of the Parish, Champion of the Parish. T3? You guessed it, Gather the Townsfolk.

Yeah, I lost that game real nice.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 03:58

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Sarcastro posted:

At an FNM I once had a game against a 10-year-old kid whose T1 play was Champion of the Parish, and whose T2 play was Champion of the Parish, Champion of the Parish. T3? You guessed it, Gather the Townsfolk.

Yeah, I lost that game real nice.

Did it at least feel good?

Edit: Today I traded in my Standard Rotatoes for a Gaea's Cradle. It feels good to own a piece of Magic history, is this normal?

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# ? Aug 7, 2015 04:42

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Sarcastro posted:

At an FNM I once had a game against a 10-year-old kid whose T1 play was Champion of the Parish, and whose T2 play was Champion of the Parish, Champion of the Parish. T3? You guessed it, Gather the Townsfolk.

Yeah, I lost that game real nice.

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# ? Aug 7, 2015 04:52

Sarcastro: Dec 28, 2000; Elite member of the Grammar Nazi Squad that

Count Bleck posted:

Did it at least feel good?

I did not begrudge the wee lad his shining moment.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 04:54

do u believe in marigolds: Sep 13, 2007

Between Inquisition of Kozilek, Might of Old Krosa, and Inkmoth Nexus the value of my infect deck has almost doubled. Is this a seasonal thing or should I expect these prices to stay the same?

# ? Aug 7, 2015 05:23

Paper Triangle: Jul 27, 2004; more dog than your dog

Count Bleck posted:

Did it at least feel good?

Edit: Today I traded in my Standard Rotatoes for a Gaea's Cradle. It feels good to own a piece of Magic history, is this normal?

sure. i'd love to own one, or any of the now-valuable cards from that era. i started playing with tempest (well, portal, but) in 2nd grade, played heavily for 2 years, then quit until RTR. i had a gaea's cradle, 4 sliver queens (one of which was from the most legendary pack pull of all time), several wastelands, and tons of other tempest thru urza's destiny goodies, which i either traded away for nothing or in the case of the sliver queens straight up lost. the remaining valuable cards in my collection are pretty heavily damaged from heavy play without sleeves or mats. you should be stoked.

now i wanna play legacy slivers. is that a thing?

# ? Aug 7, 2015 05:55