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Julias posted:A lot of people complain about this, and I can definitely understand the frustration at it when you have to put a lot of money into these decks and spend a lot of money and time traveling to events, especially compared to other TCGs like Magic the Gathering. The thing is, the author of the original manga, Kazuki Takahashi, said that he didn't want the card game to have Cash prizes, because he felt that it went against the playful spirit of the game (Ironic, isn't it It's funny when you consider that the way Pegasus drew so many people to Duelist Kingdom.... was by offering them a cash prize.
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Onmi posted:What do you mean? Fusions, Synchros and XYZ are all just slightly different ways of combining multiple creatures into a stronger one. It just feels redundant.
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RatHat posted:Fusions, Synchros and XYZ are all just slightly different ways of combining multiple creatures into a stronger one. It just feels redundant. Yes but no, sort of but not really. Each type offers an entirely different way of going about the use of your monsters. For Fusion, not only do you usually need an extra card to initiate the combination, but the fusions are usually specific and powerful, Unlike a Castel or Stardust, they're not generic outside of a stark few. For Synchro, you're trading field presence for, what was at the time of creation, an unprecedented fast way to build your units together. This was the first time the extra deck got filled out if you weren't playing HERO, since every deck could synchro, and the way you constructed your deck decided what you could use. For Xyz, It's benefiting your synergy and provides you a cost ability mechanic that gives you a bit of power NOW for less power later. Crimson Blader will always have his ability, so a Level 4 Tuner and Level 4 Material will always make him a powerful option. On the other hand, a Castel or SHark? Not necessarily the strongest monsters, but trading less power for the ability to affect the board state in a powerful way now. Fusion, you can claim, is the worst, and it is, because Fusion was poo poo in its conception when they didn't know what the gently caress to do. By the time they did, We were well past synchro's. But the short of it while all three are about 'combining' creatures, They create three different types of creatures with some overlap. Fusion is almost exclusively an archetype Boss Monster and can be used from the hand, but needs a trigger. Synchro is a more generic boss monster creation, but it also requires the creatures to be on the field, and requires the tuner. Xyz on the other hand can BE boss monsters, but almost entirely are going to be used for their utility and flexibility. Could it work if they were all one creature type? Sure, except for Xyz, but you know what? It'd also really complicate that creature type instead of just having a new one.
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Now do Rituals. Basically worse than Fusions, the few that are good [Gishkis, Nekroz] have ways of recycling the ritual spell card and not needing to tribute as much.
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 Chicken Race is a FUN card. Still wish that Tempest was useful outside FTK poo poo. Abductor never stops getting counters in the P zone. Oh, and CHICKEN RACE IS UPSTARTS 4, 5, AND 6. Add Pseudo space to that, and that's 9 upstarts. Chicken race requires zero actual investment E: What about rituals? Their main problem is that they're maindeck monsters, as opposed to extra deck monsters, so you need to have at least two specific cards in hand to get them going, and generally at least 3. Lisandra_brave fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Aug 6, 2015 |
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AMooseDoesStuff posted:Now do Rituals. Much like fusion, Rituals are a case of "What the gently caress am I doing with this mechanic?" In theory, it's making a generic version of what fusions would do, in PRACTICE all it wound up being was crap mostly because like the first wave of fusions? They didn't have stats that much better than what you could play for less cards. The thing is Ritual NOW means "A deck built around these monsters." You cannot slide Rituals into a deck that isn't focused on that ritual, sort of like Fusions, BUT unlike fusions, every card in the deck is going to work to making that Ritual come out. The reason Nekroz and Gishki worked were purely down to every card searching every other card and having a use in the hand when NOT being a monster on the field. Rituals just sort of exist as a part of yugiohs history that are their own decks now because their original function failed hard. Onmi fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Aug 6, 2015 |
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Beef Chief posted:
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE IT RELEASED.
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Onmi posted:Much like fusion, Rituals are a case of "What the gently caress am I doing with this mechanic?" These were cool reads, thanks.
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Beef Chief posted:
Banning a card just because you don't like it is silly. Banning a card because it enables problem cards is also silly. The ones that should catch the ban are the problem cards, not the enablers. So much has been banned because Blaze Fenix exists. So much can't get printed because exodia exists.
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Aug 6, 2015 15:22
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Chicken Race is nothing, the real insane card is Lose 1 Turn. I think I'm up to 3 games this week which I've single-handily lost to it because MST was the only answer in my deck which it didn't lock down itself. 
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Xoidanor posted:Chicken Race is nothing, the real insane card is Lose 1 Turn. I think I'm up to 3 games this week which I've single-handily lost to it because MST was the only answer in my deck which it didn't lock down itself. What was your deck?
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Lisandra_brave posted:Banning a card just because you don't like it is silly. Banning a card because it enables problem cards is also silly. The ones that should catch the ban are the problem cards, not the enablers. Honestly Royal Magical Library is the card that probably needs to be banned or limited, Chicken Race on its own isn't a super huge threat, but RML is a dumb card. If you ever fight against Chicken Race FTK in an actual tournament setting it would be incredibly easy to side against, but it's just a very degenerate card that causes a lot of shenanigans. Not that that's unique for Yugioh, but I may be hamming up my reaction here because of how silly the whole thing was when I pulled it off.
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Aug 6, 2015 15:41
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How is a library a creature anyway?
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RatHat posted:How is a library a creature anyway? by being Royal and Magical. Labrynth Wall is a monster as well.
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It's like the Library from the Pagemaster, but without Macaulay Culkin.
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Aug 6, 2015 15:50
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Slur posted:What was your deck? Specifically? The majespecter deck I posted above, Speedroids and Supreme BLS. It felt the absolute worst with Supreme BLS since that deck is wonky as hell even without your opponent locking down your only play. RatHat posted:How is a library a creature anyway? It's a magical library.
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Aug 6, 2015 15:53
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RatHat posted:How is a library a creature anyway? It's not so much the library, as it is the librarians that appear in it's art.
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Dexie posted:It's not so much the library, as it is the librarians that appear in it's art. Give me my SimCity archetype Konami. 
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Aug 6, 2015 17:36
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Dammit half the Symphonic Warriors are OCG exclusives.
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It's the good half that are. No pendulums or sizerrs for you.
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Fuckers. Why would they do that?
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Dabir posted:Fuckers. Why would they do that? Japanese players got mad because TCG had so many exclusive cards in every set, so they started making OCG exclusives in each set as well. Which would have been fair, except Japan still gets tons of promos and special cards and packs that TCG doesn't get until way, way later, if at all.
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Don't worry, we got first runs with NK, BA and UA, and are going to be getting first runs with Kozmo and Kaiju to compensate for the lack of good Symphonica.
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Not to mention that it allowed for us to avoid No(r)den for over a year, and has prevented Cyber Dragon Infinity Spam (tm) from being a thing. We also lost out on ever getting to play Chronomaly Artifacts, which was a tier 1 Deck in Japan (We got Nebra Disk and some Xyz l for the deck like, a year and a half late.)
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Cyber Chronomaly was way more fun then Chronomaly Artifacts.
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Whats the ygo scene like in Japan? Neckbeard equivalents pounding cards in stores? Or is it younger children?
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lemonslol posted:Whats the ygo scene like in Japan? Neckbeard equivalents pounding cards in stores? Or is it younger children? Both, YGO compeittive has a childrens division as well as an adults division. The childrens division is for 12 and under and called the Dragon Duel League. They typically happen at B events but it has a place at the world tournament https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMsigQ0kfBo I wish I could find the 2013 duel that was, you know, the actual replay and not a sped up replay with music dubbed over it. If only for the hilarity of two kids playing Dragon Rulers at each other.
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lemonslol posted:Whats the ygo scene like in Japan? Neckbeard equivalents pounding cards in stores? Or is it younger children? You have a good mixed range, but it seems like they are, overall, less competitive in the "No fun, only serious card games" way. They are usually more willing to try to combine or innovate old decks. Notably, they have always had a thing for HEROs, and a HERO deck actually won 1st place at the Japanese World Championship Qualifier, and other varieties of HERO (HERO Infernities, Pendulum HEROs) also did very well. If helps that they have Stratos, though.
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In the TCG, HEROs have 3 Shadow Mist, 3 ROTA, 3 E-Call, 3 A Hero Lives, and 2 Summoner Monk. They don't need Stratos.
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Dexie posted:In the TCG, HEROs have 3 Shadow Mist, 3 ROTA, 3 E-Call, 3 A Hero Lives, and 2 Summoner Monk. Accept no substitute! Anyone got the deck-list on that pendulum heroes build? Never heard of that before.
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The problem with Stratos being banned isn't that HEROes lack searching, it's that it prevents them from using their Wind fusions without resorting to using Avian. Great Tornado, Divine Wind and Blast are all basically unplayable in TCG right now.
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I get half mast whenever I see someone complain about Stratos being banned.
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Xoidanor posted:Accept no substitute! Ooooh, I'd love this one too! That sounds fun as hell. Far more fun than the last time I tried using HEROes, at least, though as most people here know, that isn't really hard... Also I don't get why Stratos is still banned.
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Keep Stratos banned. Also ban SHArk and Castel. Also keep Lavalval Chained.
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Hjalmar posted:The problem with Stratos being banned isn't that HEROes lack searching, it's that it prevents them from using their Wind fusions without resorting to using Avian. Great Tornado, Divine Wind and Blast are all basically unplayable in TCG right now. I have found that Reborn Tengu makes a good substitute. It's summonable by Summoner Monk, and gives you more material for Fusion when it leaves the field. Senerio posted:Keep Stratos banned. Also ban SHArk and Castel. Also keep Lavalval Chained. #UnchainMyBrotherLavalval
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Dexie posted:#UnchainMyBrotherLavalval Lavalval Chain is bad and I'm glad I don't have to maindeck soul drain in everything anymore.
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Senerio posted:Lavalval Chain is bad and I'm glad I don't have to maindeck soul drain in everything anymore.
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Senerio posted:Keep Stratos banned. Also ban SHArk and Castel. Also keep Lavalval Chained. SHArk and Castel are good cards.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Ooooh, I'd love this one too! That sounds fun as hell. Far more fun than the last time I tried using HEROes, at least, though as most people here know, that isn't really hard... Well I tried, it kinda works but I feel like I'm on the wrong track. In practice, it's simply a mildly better variant of the standard-fare blazeman heroes that popped up last year. You still end up with no cards in your hand and every win feels unfair. Not really sure where to go from here, Stratos would probably be killer but yeah.  
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http://ygorganization.com/ocg-psyframe-field-spell/ We field spell now. Negation, summon response, instant synchro, both the synchro monsters are quick effects that remove themselves from field so you can use the other driver effects, this is some good poo poo.
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