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computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Mr Dog posted:

yea that's all well and good but the primary force behind GM food is Monsanto. and i mean we like to complain about Uber and whatever itt as being bad people but Monsanto is just a whole other league of capital-E Evil

are you going to post that fake story about them suing a guy because of cross pollination

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Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Mr Dog posted:

yea that's all well and good but the primary force behind GM food is Monsanto. and i mean we like to complain about Uber and whatever itt as being bad people but Monsanto is just a whole other league of capital-E Evil

Monsanto is only as evil as every other corporation in America, including commercial organic farms.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

a new menace seems to have arisen from this normally most harmless of crops: a strain of Genetically Modified Organism (GMO) hunter-killer corn that walks between the rows of its docile brethren, ambushing and slaughtering any non-Monsanto-branded humans that it finds.


Farmer Gulph, a local farmer, was one of the first to note the danger.  “We had three young men go a’ missin’ one summer.  Back in, oh… Oh-ten I think,” Gulph recalled, rocking on his hand-made chair on his porch, a corn-cob pipe puffing away and a jug with three ‘X’s sitting beside him.  As he told the story he whittled a toy train with a knife pulled from his denim overalls.  “They turned up later, ayup.  But they turned up dead.  Dead’s how theya turned up.  Throats cut and little cornstalks growin’ outta ’em.  Shame that.  Corn didn’ta taste right, neither.”

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

Triglav posted:

please dont post child porn. thats an unripe watermelon. it's a baby watermelon, you sick gently caress

unripe watermleons with their mature, black seeds

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

qirex posted:

why would you live anywhere else?

why would you want to live in florida or iowa?

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

Nintendo Kid posted:

why would you want to live in florida or iowa?

I don't eat a lot of oranges or soy, I'll be fine

it is kind of funny though we get people at farmer's markets from like fresno and visalia and it's like this isn't really "local" dudes but dumb rich people don't care

Wild EEPROM
Jul 29, 2011


oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.
organics: white people worries.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

will donald tour in california?

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004


drat that is rad as hell

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

BONGHITZ posted:

will donald tour in california?

the only reason any presidential candidate comes to CA is to raise money

Chill Callahan
Nov 14, 2012
falafel is chill

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

computer parts posted:

the thing a lot of people don't get is that transport is very very cheap, both economically and ecologically

like yeah, it's horrendously complex but once you solve the math it's incredibly inexpensive

The point is not that it is inexpensive but that some food items should be (comparatively) expensive, the things generally overlooked but these sorts of evaluations is that your paying poo poo all to your Chilean asparagus farmer and overlooking the long term cost to the environment of burning all that jet fuel to get those shoots halfway around the world overnight. Ofc this is a rich first world problem, but thats not to say their isn't a valid point hidden behind the crap that comes with these sorts of arguments.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

vodkat posted:

The point is not that it is inexpensive but that some food items should be (comparatively) expensive, the things generally overlooked but these sorts of evaluations is that your paying poo poo all to your Chilean asparagus farmer and overlooking the long term cost to the environment of burning all that jet fuel to get those shoots halfway around the world overnight. Ofc this is a rich first world problem, but thats not to say their isn't a valid point hidden behind the crap that comes with these sorts of arguments.

lol who ships stuff on airplanes

yeah jet fuel is expensive but stacking containers on a panamax is cheaper than any other form of transport ever devised by man

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

computer parts posted:

lol who ships stuff on airplanes

yeah jet fuel is expensive but stacking containers on a panamax is cheaper than any other form of transport ever devised by man

yeah but fresh blueberries don't last 2 weeks no matter what you do to them

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

qirex posted:

yeah but fresh blueberries don't last 2 weeks no matter what you do to them

fresh blueberries also don't need to travel 2 weeks unless you're in africa/south america

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

qirex posted:

yeah but fresh blueberries don't last 2 weeks no matter what you do to them

it doesn't take 2 weeks to take a boat from mexico

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

computer parts posted:

it doesn't take 2 weeks to take a boat from mexico

in winter they come from chile and it astounds me that that's somehow profitable even at $5/carton

they also taste awful and aren't worth it but that's separate

e: well I'll be damned I guess they ship them in nitrogen or something?

quote:

Blueberries, unique among berries, have the ability of being picked ripe and put to sleep for weeks in controlled atmosphere, making them the only berries that can come into the U.S. by boat.

qirex fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Aug 7, 2015

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka
Yea if your eating fresh blueberries outside of summer then they are probably being imported from south america. The point is maybe peoples in Wisconsin absolutely demand and need to eat fresh blueberries in February is just a bit hosed up?

Edit: well i guess I should change it to strawberries or flowers or something, the point is that not every foodstuff that people take for granted is actually transported across the world because it is the easiest or most efficient way to do things.

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

just grow seasonal poo poo in nuclear powered greenhouses, job done

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

vodkat posted:

Yea if your eating fresh blueberries outside of summer then they are probably being imported from south america. The point is maybe peoples in Wisconsin absolutely demand and need to eat fresh blueberries in February is just a bit hosed up?

not really since the eliminating the demand would put south american farmers out of business.


Forums Terrorist posted:

just grow seasonal poo poo in nuclear powered greenhouses, job done

or just ship in nuclear powered vessels

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010
Since we're on food-chat, here is an article about how 1,4 billion chinese want to eat pork all the time, pretty interesting'

http://www.economist.com/news/christmas-specials/21636507-chinas-insatiable-appetite-pork-symbol-countrys-rise-it-also

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

Forums Terrorist posted:

just grow seasonal poo poo in nuclear powered greenhouses, job done

This actually works really well. The best tomatoes in my local supermarket are from local greenhouses that run year round on waste heat from powerplants, but this is the exception rather than the rule.

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

Shaggar posted:

not really since the eliminating the demand would put south american farmers out of business.

Won't someone think of these poor arms manufactures that might lose their jobs? Just because someone is employed doesn't mean that their work is good, necessary or sustainable, as much as that fact might suck if you are an Argentinian blueberry farmer. Although I'm sure they will lose it all soon anyway when blueberries super fruit fad status is forgotten or they are undercut supermarket by competition trying to find some even poorer farmers to pull the rug out from under their feet.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Syncopated posted:

Since we're on food-chat, here is an article about how 1,4 billion chinese want to eat pork all the time, pretty interesting'

http://www.economist.com/news/christmas-specials/21636507-chinas-insatiable-appetite-pork-symbol-countrys-rise-it-also

i like that this article begins w/ a description about jacking off a piggie

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

vodkat posted:

Won't someone think of these poor arms manufactures that might lose their jobs? Just because someone is employed doesn't mean that their work is good, necessary or sustainable, as much as that fact might suck if you are an Argentinian blueberry farmer. Although I'm sure they will lose it all soon anyway when blueberries super fruit fad status is forgotten or they are undercut supermarket by competition trying to find some even poorer farmers to pull the rug out from under their feet.

R. Buckminster Fuller posted:

We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian-Darwinian theory, he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
yeah that would be rad. let everyone else work and support me loving around in academia forever.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

white people have decided that your industry can't exist anymore sorry

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

Luigi Thirty posted:

white people have decided that your industry can't exist anymore sorry

more like the unreasonable demands of white people brought your questionable industry into being and your livelihood is now dependent upon their whims

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
its not questionable at all.

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005

Luigi Thirty posted:

white people have decided that your industry can't exist anymore sorry

Now I'm confused, are the white people who pay extra for local organic worse than the white people who support Chilean farmers? Are they the same people? What is even the point anymore other than that white people are terrible?

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
if you're not a card carrying member of the voluntary human extinction movement i don't want to hear about your ideas about how to save the world lol

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

please send me evenings and weekends

JewKiller 3000
Nov 28, 2006

by Lowtax

Shaggar posted:

its not questionable at all.

yeah you're right, your company and industry as a whole should unquestionably not exist

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

white money going to white people is bad

but white money going to brown people is also bad but for other reasons

if we just abolished money and moved to full communism, we wouldn't have this problem

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


Chill Callahan posted:

falafel is chill

making some tomorrow night

what are some good side dishes for falafel shawarma things

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

Luigi Thirty posted:

if we just abolished money and moved to full communism, we wouldn't have this problem

practical solutions to real problems :thumbsup:

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

HAIL eSATA-n posted:

making some tomorrow night

what are some good side dishes for falafel shawarma things

coleslaw is good

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

Luigi Thirty posted:


if we just abolished money and moved to full communism, we wouldn't have this problem

but srsly this, for real

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


computer parts posted:

coleslaw is good

that doesn't sound right

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PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

i really hate this article because

the headline promises some big breakthrough but then after 11 paragraphs it devotes exactly 1 sentences to the "solution" promised in the headline

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