Grappling: Grab their foot in a threatening manner, it doesn't cost you anything

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Keg: Sep 22, 2014

I love when my dick is crushed by a guy doing a knee slice pass.

# ? Aug 4, 2015 18:25

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Mechafunkzilla posted:

ADCC, NAGA, Grappler's Quest, The Good Fight, catch wrestling, sport & combat sambo, and MMA all allow cups, and somehow people doing those aren't getting constantly maimed by armbars. Strange, that.

I don't disagree with what you are saying... but I do find it amusing that you've included the good fight in a list with credible orgs. Who knows though, maybe in the last couple of years since I've attended one, they've actually become competent or something

# ? Aug 4, 2015 19:03

Xguard86: Nov 22, 2004; "You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

There was a goon that broke his back when a dude jammed his cup into it for the submission. I don't remember who it was, sounded painful.

That's the real reason I imagine. it helps armbands sure but it makes weird back submissions possible and that's bad.

# ? Aug 4, 2015 20:16

Defenestrategy: Oct 24, 2010

Xguard86 posted:

There was a goon that broke his back when a dude jammed his cup into it for the submission. I don't remember who it was, sounded painful.

That's the real reason I imagine. it helps armbands sure but it makes weird back submissions possible and that's bad.

I've had a cup jammed into my back hard, after I was spread out face down from a botched turtle escape. It sucked real bad, and I didn't tap until I told him "The worst part about this is the cup in my lower spine." and he replied "What cup?" :barf:

... now that I've heard this story though I think I'll just tap when I get face down like that and the dudes on top of me.

# ? Aug 4, 2015 21:15

Novum: May 26, 2012; That's how we roll

DUde you should have asked him out

# ? Aug 4, 2015 21:18

Kekekela: Oct 28, 2004

KildarX posted:

I've had a cup jammed into my back hard, after I was spread out face down from a botched turtle escape. It sucked real bad, and I didn't tap until I told him "The worst part about this is the cup in my lower spine." and he replied "What cup?"

jesus

# ? Aug 4, 2015 21:32

Defenestrategy: Oct 24, 2010

Novum posted:

DUde you should have asked him out

I believe that dating within the gym only leads to complications

# ? Aug 4, 2015 23:47

02-6611-0142-1: Sep 30, 2004

Back control is my favourite position, but I find that when I wear a cup it hurts my groin as much as it hurts the other guy's back.

# ? Aug 5, 2015 03:31

Dave Grool: Oct 21, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Relevant to the current discussion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT6qjIc9_5M&t=2622s

Reconsidering visiting Lauzon's gym

# ? Aug 5, 2015 04:12

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

Xguard86 posted:

There was a goon that broke his back when a dude jammed his cup into it for the submission. I don't remember who it was, sounded painful.

That's the real reason I imagine. it helps armbands sure but it makes weird back submissions possible and that's bad.

That was me. I was working with a visiting pro fighter who deliberately used his cup as a weapon against my spine rupturing my lumbar disks and robbing me of the ability to walk without excruciating pain until I had back surgery. I now have zero tolerance for guys who I believe are deliberately using their cups as weapons. Accidental contact and also armbars are no issue even when using the extra fulcrum of the cup. Cup against spine, cup against face, etc. will cause me to turn it up.

Yuns fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Aug 5, 2015

# ? Aug 5, 2015 04:45

Grandmaster.flv: Jun 24, 2011

Yuns posted:

That was me. I was working with a visiting pro fighter who deliberately used his cup as a weapon against my spine rupturing my lumbar disks and robbing me of the ability to walk without excruciating pain until I had back surgery. I now have zero tolerance for guys who I believe are deliberately using their cups as weapons. Accidental contact and also armbars are no issue even when using the extra fulcrum of the cup. Cup against spine, cup against face, etc. will cause me to turn it up.

That sounds terrible - was the injury immediate or were you trying to ride out the uncomfortable position?

# ? Aug 5, 2015 04:56

Mechafunkzilla: Sep 11, 2006; If you want a vision of the future...

Yuns posted:

That was me. I was working with a visiting pro fighter who deliberately used his cup as a weapon against my spine rupturing my lumbar disks and robbing me of the ability to walk without excruciating pain until I had back surgery. I now have zero tolerance for guys who I believe are deliberately using their cups as weapons. Accidental contact and also armbars are no issue even when using the extra fulcrum of the cup. Cup against spine, cup against face, etc. will cause me to turn it up.

I mean, a pro level fighter deciding to be maliciously aggressive is going to result in injuries, with or without a cup.

# ? Aug 5, 2015 05:06

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

Awkward question, but how do you avoid "spillage" with a cup? I stopped wearing one ages ago because my stuff would spill out to one side or the other and get pinched. It hurt. It felt like the shape of all the cups I tried didn't actually allow for everything to fit in there.

# ? Aug 5, 2015 05:10

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

origami posted:

That sounds terrible - was the injury immediate or were you trying to ride out the uncomfortable position?

It's been long enough now that I don't fully remember but he had my back and I had defended all the choke and armbar attempts but had gotten into a positionally terrible flattened out position and he just suddenly grabbed my head and yanked back and explosively levered his cup into my lower back. As soon as he did that there was a cracking/breaking sound from my spine, I think I tapped from the feeling that something was very wrong although there was surprisingly not as much pain as you would expect. My back was sore initially but not unduly so The next day my ankle started hurting and I thought I had hurt my ankle during the roll. Over the course of a couple of week the ankle pain grew into tremendous leg pain and weakness. When I saw a ankle specialist who works with NFL guys, he told me nothing was wrong with my leg that it was all my back. By this time I had massive foot drop and pain so excruciating that I would walk 4-5 step using a cane and have to stop to deal with the pain then resume 4-5 steps. I was still going to work every day and it would take me a loving half hour to walk to the subway. I got an epidural injection of steroids that didn't do poo poo. So I went for spine surgery to remove the ruptured stuff. The surgeons told my wife when they opened me up that absolutely everything was ruptured and that they were surprised that my symptoms weren't bilateral and that I was still continent. I asked them to deal with only the rupture on the symptomatic side. They wanted to do everything but I didn't want the risk. I took a long loving time to rehab my leg to regain strength in that leg. But thankfully things are good again. I still train hard and am perfectly willing to wrestle good collegiate wrestlers. I still shoot doubles. So I've been very fortunate. I still don't have full feeling in my foot although I have full strength and the fact is I may never fully feel my foot again. It'll just be numb for the rest of my life.

Yuns fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Aug 5, 2015

# ? Aug 5, 2015 05:12

Mechafunkzilla: Sep 11, 2006; If you want a vision of the future...

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

Awkward question, but how do you avoid "spillage" with a cup? I stopped wearing one ages ago because my stuff would spill out to one side or the other and get pinched. It hurt. It felt like the shape of all the cups I tried didn't actually allow for everything to fit in there.

http://www.jacoclothing.com/guardian-protective-cup-system.html

# ? Aug 5, 2015 05:23

02-6611-0142-1: Sep 30, 2004

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

Awkward question, but how do you avoid "spillage" with a cup? I stopped wearing one ages ago because my stuff would spill out to one side or the other and get pinched. It hurt. It felt like the shape of all the cups I tried didn't actually allow for everything to fit in there.

You wear underwear on the bottom, then on top of that you wear whatever hold's the cup in place, then on top of that you wear clothes. If you're spilling out, you either need different underwear or a different style of cup.

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Kekekela: Oct 28, 2004

Anyone tried out Cobrinha's site?

# ? Aug 5, 2015 11:01

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Yuns posted:

It's been long enough now that I don't fully remember but he had my back and I had defended all the choke and armbar attempts but had gotten into a positionally terrible flattened out position and he just suddenly grabbed my head and yanked back and explosively levered his cup into my lower back. As soon as he did that there was a cracking/breaking sound from my spine, I think I tapped from the feeling that something was very wrong although there was surprisingly not as much pain as you would expect. My back was sore initially but not unduly so The next day my ankle started hurting and I thought I had hurt my ankle during the roll. Over the course of a couple of week the ankle pain grew into tremendous leg pain and weakness. When I saw a ankle specialist who works with NFL guys, he told me nothing was wrong with my leg that it was all my back. By this time I had massive foot drop and pain so excruciating that I would walk 4-5 step using a cane and have to stop to deal with the pain then resume 4-5 steps. I was still going to work every day and it would take me a loving half hour to walk to the subway. I got an epidural injection of steroids that didn't do poo poo. So I went for spine surgery to remove the ruptured stuff. The surgeons told my wife when they opened me up that absolutely everything was ruptured and that they were surprised that my symptoms weren't bilateral and that I was still continent. I asked them to deal with only the rupture on the symptomatic side. They wanted to do everything but I didn't want the risk. I took a long loving time to rehab my leg to regain strength in that leg. But thankfully things are good again. I still train hard and am perfectly willing to wrestle good collegiate wrestlers. I still shoot doubles. So I've been very fortunate. I still don't have full feeling in my foot although I have full strength and the fact is I may never fully feel my foot again. It'll just be numb for the rest of my life.

Wow dude, surprised you're back to (relative) normal! So did they give you a synthetic disc, or did you go the fusion route? I messed up my L4 awhile back and that completely killed my training for a couple of years. Even now, I can't do a 4 a week training regime without going to yoga for 3-4 days in conjunction with wrestling/bjj.

# ? Aug 5, 2015 12:06

A Wry Smile: Jul 19, 2014; Well, at least now it's over.

What a story Yuns, wow. Glad you're still able to roll. I've been sitting here fretting over whether or not to get knee surgery so I can roll again (I'm basically fully mobile at present, and I've been nervous about the surgery going bad), and your experience gave me some new perspective. Badass shuffling around with a broken back like "uh doc my ankle feels weird?"

# ? Aug 5, 2015 17:13

Captain Log: Oct 2, 2006

In my heavy Brazilian gym I briefly trained out before I found out my brain was broken (long story) I sure as gently caress wore a cup. I was the minority but it seemed like even the high level guys were occasionally getting their nuts smashed hard enough to have them punching the mat and making girl noises. When I have the option of "protect balls in a sport where you could get bodyslammed" and "freeball it" I go the protection route.

I also once got slammed in college without a cup on and hand the other guys knees land on my nethers. I just remember laying their trying not to puke for about ten minutes. Admittedly, I wasn't wearing compression shorts for this so I believe my dangle factor was far higher.

# ? Aug 5, 2015 22:00

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

2DCAT posted:

Wow dude, surprised you're back to (relative) normal! So did they give you a synthetic disc, or did you go the fusion route? I messed up my L4 awhile back and that completely killed my training for a couple of years. Even now, I can't do a 4 a week training regime without going to yoga for 3-4 days in conjunction with wrestling/bjj.

No fusion and no synthetic disc. Just removal of the material compressing the nerves. Thankfully the vertebrae itself wasn't broken although the discs were all ruptured and I had all kinds of stuff floating in my spinal nerve area. I'll try to find my presurgery CT scans. I tried to be as conservative as possible though my friend got a neck fusion from a training injury and he still rolls all the time. Before my surgery, I had to take percs or vicodin every day just to be able to walk with a cane. After the surgery, I was off any pain meds very quickly. I recovered from surgery in a ward specifically for spine surgery and I had a neighbor down the hall that screamed for literally 12 hours post surgery. It was amazing.

# ? Aug 6, 2015 05:53

Mr. Pool: Jul 10, 2001

Is there a standard defense against bow and arrow choke from the back? When I'm just trying to get out from backmount I usually worm off one hook and try to get back to the mat riiiight into a collar choke. I know I can bail on the escape and try to go out the other way, but them I'm back at square one. Halp.

# ? Aug 6, 2015 13:14

Pocket Billiards: Aug 29, 2007; .

Be vigilant about your lapels?

# ? Aug 7, 2015 00:43

Dangersim: Sep 4, 2011; He expended too much energy and got tired

I'M NOT SURPRISED MOTHERFUCKERS

Yeah number 1 is don't let him get the hand in the collar

When someone has your back the first priority is protect your neck, and then escape

# ? Aug 7, 2015 00:51

KingColliwog: May 15, 2003; Let's go droogs

Dangersim posted:

Yeah number 1 is don't let him get the hand in the collar

When someone has your back the first priority is protect your neck, and then escape

This. If he gets your neck then go back to square one. People might be giving you some space to escape once they have your lapel so you just fall into the choke yourself.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 00:59

triplexpac: Mar 24, 2007; Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you

I was coming in here to ask about BJJ training, but after reading Yuns story now I'm not so sure haha

# ? Aug 7, 2015 16:46

Novum: May 26, 2012; That's how we roll

We're all mostly moving from bjj to aikido lately anyway. I'd say look for a local school.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 17:10

david carmichael: Oct 28, 2011

triplexpac posted:

I was coming in here to ask about BJJ training, but after reading Yuns story now I'm not so sure haha

Come to extreme couture. Right near kipling station and the head bjj guy is wagnney fabiano

# ? Aug 7, 2015 18:50

TacticalHoodie: May 7, 2007

Novum posted:

We're all mostly moving from bjj to aikido lately anyway. I'd say look for a local school.

My local Aikido dojo is part of a Natural health business that offered QI Healing. I am not sure if that is better than the ninja training but I am going leave judo since it is not going to work in the Streets like these guys claims.

# ? Aug 7, 2015 19:31

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

triplexpac posted:

I was coming in here to ask about BJJ training, but after reading Yuns story now I'm not so sure haha

My story is a pretty rare type of incident so don't take it as reflecting any kind of common occurrence.

# ? Aug 8, 2015 04:20

Kekekela: Oct 28, 2004

Paul Harris posted:

In order to keep with the Brazilian and global MMA community, the respect and transparency necessary for the full understanding of all those who, together, recognize the value of sport and tolerance that sport can provide, i come the public to recognize and clarify the questions raised on the interpretation of events that occurred in my fight against Jake Shields , last Saturday (1),in Las Vegas (USA).

First, I would like to expose my opinion regarding professionalism and fair play. Lack of professionalism and sportsmanship, for me, is when an opponent spend weeks giving statements at the media that he would try to injure me seriously at any cost. I believe that there are many ways to promote a fight, but we must never encourage violence in exchange for hatred, the world is already sick of wars. If we want that MMA become a sport, attitudes like that should be inhibited, in order to promote positive values, just as every Olympic and professional sports do.

In my design, lack of professionalism and sportsmanship was when my opponent punched me in the face purposefully at the end of the fight and threw on me objects while I was giving an interview to USA Today's Sports staff talking about my victory. Beside that, it was unbelievable the fact that his corner tried to step in the cage to deliberately attack me.

The mix of all the martial arts that involve the MMA, often does not allow the general public to have full knowledge about the complexity of the movements we, fighters, do inside the cage. During the fight, Shields and I have been through various stages of dispute of positions while grappling.My conscience is clean that, if my fingers had hit my opponent's eyes, at no time, was something intentional. In addition, on several occasions the Shields's chin have hit my eyes, simply because we were competing for each space, each centimeter.

It is very common in MMA, by miscalculation that the athletes get hit by a kick in the genitals, as well as in the eye, invariably. I would like to remind you all that at any time during the fight, Shields has not requested medical assistance or a time to recover from a possible injury caused by my finger, which could have turned the match into a No Contest.

I don't think it is right Shields justify a legitimate defeat with this argument. Every MMA athlete should know how to respect victory and defeat, instead of trying to create argumentative situations that did not have any interference in the outcome of the fight.
I have dedicated myself to a lot in training for this fight, and I wouldn't risk anything to put in doubt my victory and my belt. I simply did my job and I finished an athlete who never in his career had suffered this type of loss. I surprised him with a kimura in a technical move, that many people did not imagine that could happen. That's what should be exalted by the media.

Regarding to the release time of the submission, this is something I have been working hard, I'm humble enough to take on the things I need to improve. However, I understand that the referee Mazzagatti could be in a better position and had interfered in a better way to stop the fight quickly.

I'm not a malicious person, if I would, I really could had broken Shields�arm . I have enough power for that, however, within about of 1.06 seconds after referee Mazzagatti contacted me I had the reflex to release the submission and celebrate the victory. Each athlete has a different adrenaline, it is clear in the video, the reflexes movement of my body when I felt the touch of the judge on my back, I did not continue to increase pressure neither I tried to adjust the position, I simply dropped Shields arm.
I've been through many difficult times in my personal and sport life. I have more than 20 fights in my career, and nobody ever will show a single opponent that got his arm or leg broken by fighting me, I never finished anybody�s career due an injury. I never let anyone blind or stuck my finger in anyone of my opponent�s eyes on purpose. This is real,those are facts!!!

Some media vehicles love a villain, whether is a loudmouth bad boy style, or someone to be labeled as the evil side, the dark side, just like on Hollywood movies, but this (evil) character is not me, I'm not a horror film actor, I'm just an athlete who loves jiu-jitsu. Unfortunately, the fact of not speak English fluently, does not allow my vision on the subject to be expressed in order to demystify this image that is not in line with the values that I have for my life.

I do not agree with the decision to be suspended and punished with the loss of the belt, but I have to accept it. As a fighter we are subject to this when you sign a contract to participate on a show. What I cannot accept is being called a dirty fighter. In all my preparation for this fight, Shields said a lot of things about me and my family, beside the fact that he took advantage numerous times for the fact that I don't speak English to create some animosity.

For many opportunities, people that are close to me did not speak to me about these insults, so I did not lose my focus. This kind of attitude, that sounds a dirty thing to me. To use that to promote the fight is regrettable. He already knew that he would lose and he tried in every way to offend me. In the course of our fight, I gave him all the opportunities to show his jiu-jitsu skills, but he didn't do anything and, as always, just stalled the match.

Finally, I would like to tell Mr. Shields that he does not need all this drama to get a rematch. I accept any challenge against you Shields. This time, I won't give you opportunities to complain, because I'm going to knock you out.

So I guess this should shut up the haters.

# ? Aug 8, 2015 18:41

manyak: Jan 26, 2006

Kekekela posted:

So I guess this should shut up the haters.

Nope. He is a stupid rear end in a top hat

# ? Aug 8, 2015 19:41

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

Lol at the idea that Palhares wrote or even narrated that statement..

# ? Aug 8, 2015 20:45

Kekekela: Oct 28, 2004

manyak posted:

Nope. He is a stupid rear end in a top hat

quote:

Lol at the idea that Palhares wrote or even narrated that statement..

This is the best part. Presumably whoever wrote that is the best PR guy he's associated with and he had a lot of time to come up with...that.

# ? Aug 8, 2015 20:47

Captain Log: Oct 2, 2006

Yuns posted:

Lol at the idea that Palhares wrote or even narrated that statement..

It's way too well put together and not even sort of in crayon.

# ? Aug 8, 2015 20:50

fatherdog: Feb 16, 2005

Yuns posted:

Lol at the idea that Palhares wrote or even narrated that statement..

# ? Aug 8, 2015 20:51

Keg: Sep 22, 2014

quote:

Regarding to the release time of the submission, this is something I have been working hard, I'm humble enough to take on the things I need to improve.

lmao

# ? Aug 8, 2015 22:37

Dangersim: Sep 4, 2011; He expended too much energy and got tired

I'M NOT SURPRISED MOTHERFUCKERS

You must be retarded if you're surprised jake shields teammates tried to jump you

# ? Aug 9, 2015 00:47

Yuns: Aug 19, 2000; There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

I'm amazed that they didn't even TRY to make it sound like it came from him instead of the Harvard educated lawyer who drafted it.

Running it through a readability calculator:

Readability Formula Grade
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 11
Gunning-Fog Score 14.1
Coleman-Liau Index 9.4
SMOG Index 9.8
Automated Readability Index 10.7
Average Grade Level 11.0

I'm sure the real life BJJ equivalent of Lenny from of Mice and Men is writing at an 11th grade level.

Yuns fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Aug 9, 2015

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Kekekela: Oct 28, 2004

New EBI embedded is up.

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