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Pinterest Mom posted:This kind of action has gotten the next democratic nominee to agree with their concerns unreservedly. That's a huge tactical victory. That's bullshit. This is the same as the Occupy circle jerk. I've yet to see anyone, anywhere be able to name even one person at the front of BLM. If you don't have a leadership then you can't have any platform or even goals. It's a cluster gently caress open to whoever wants to highjack it for their own agenda. Maybe Justine Tunney will agree to lead them.
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Good Citizen posted:Whoa good thing that guy isn't a cop jesus
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Pinterest Mom posted:This kind of action has gotten the next democratic nominee to agree with their concerns unreservedly. That's a huge tactical victory. A Hillary Clinton campaign intern wrote a facebook post in support of #BlackLivesMatter several days after Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley were publically embarrassed by protesters, this represents a victory for criminal justice reform policy and will certainly lead to concrete actions in the White House. Or Hillary Clinton is someone who literally cannot be trusted to implement progressive policies and is personally responsible for many of the issues #BlackLivesMatter is talking about, and thus it is doubtful that she will do anything despite her intern's social media posts.
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Good Citizen posted:Whoa good thing that guy isn't a cop Ahahahahahah
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Xanderkish posted:To the press release! It has prompted the exact opposite reaction from me, and I'm sure many others feel the same. But the left eating itself alive isn't anything new.
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Official Bernie Response posted:SEATTLE – Sen. Bernie Sanders issued the following statement today after two demonstrators blocked him from addressing an event hosted by an organization supporting Social Security and Medicare:
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At the end of the day, I'm sure Bernie Sander will release a statement on criminal justice reform and continue to support #BlackLivesMatter just as he made it clear that he supported their efforts after the NRN protest. I'm also sure that this won't matter and that he will get protested against despite his record and efforts during this campaign.
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Unlike other candidates, Bernie isn't terrified irrationally by black folks. I'm sure he'll find some way to connect with them and address some of their concerns more specifically. This is more than salvageable - it is a crucial moment with the potential for a lot of dialogue and good to come from it. As people have pointed out, the only reason they were able to disrupt his speech is that he's the only one doing stuff like this. He's the only one that has a chance of actually getting some real dialogue going. I hope he takes it, and I hope it works out for him. For all of us.
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Aug 9, 2015 02:00
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Eh, that's not the best way of going about it, Bernie.
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bernie please give your criminal justice reform plan details instead of this
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Proposition Joe posted:A Hillary Clinton campaign intern wrote a facebook post in support of #BlackLivesMatter several days after Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley were publically embarrassed by protesters, this represents a victory for criminal justice reform policy and will certainly lead to concrete actions in the White House. Or Hillary Clinton is someone who literally cannot be trusted to implement progressive policies and is personally responsible for many of the issues #BlackLivesMatter is talking about, and thus it is doubtful that she will do anything despite her intern's social media posts. Hillary is smart though. This is going to look bad for Bernie (maybe although there does seem to be some backlash), meanwhile Clinton is not engaging or hanging out with people who can donate $2700 to her campaign, she's out of the media's attention and can later post something well edited on social media. It's great strategery. Although it does kind of speak to how she'll govern but what does that matter.
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Aug 9, 2015 02:03
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Eh, that's not the best way of going about it, Bernie. Yeah, that could have been handled way better.
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echronorian posted:Great name / post combo No it wasn't
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Um yeah because I wanted something else. Black lives matter
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if it makes you guys feel better, they probably would've hijacked any other candidate that actually had an open rally tooradical meme posted:That's bullshit. This is the same as the Occupy circle jerk. I've yet to see anyone, anywhere be able to name even one person at the front of BLM. If you don't have a leadership then you can't have any platform or even goals. It's a cluster gently caress open to whoever wants to highjack it for their own agenda. Maybe Justine Tunney will agree to lead them. reagan posted:It has prompted the exact opposite reaction from me, and I'm sure many others feel the same. But the left eating itself alive isn't anything new. Full Battle Rattle posted:Unlike other candidates, Bernie isn't terrified irrationally by black folks. I'm sure he'll find some way to connect with them and address some of their concerns more specifically. This is more than salvageable - it is a crucial moment with the potential for a lot of dialogue and good to come from it. As people have pointed out, the only reason they were able to disrupt his speech is that he's the only one doing stuff like this. He's the only one that has a chance of actually getting some real dialogue going. I hope he takes it, and I hope it works out for him. For all of us.
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Yeah, that could have been handled way better. That's what so frustrating to me about this. Why the gently caress didn't Sanders hire a community liaison to help him say the correct things to respond to this stuff?
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reagan posted:It has prompted the exact opposite reaction from me, and I'm sure many others feel the same. But the left eating itself alive isn't anything new. Its not the 'Left', its the stupid morality cult of modern American liberalism - what people are actually referring to when they mean 'SJWs'. The kind that is going to put the rightist neoliberal Hilary into power just to spite Leftists for, you know, actually focusing on the Class War. Its kind of like how people complain about progressives sacrificing minority issues to focus on economics, only except in reality its the exact opposite and its poisoning us. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/04/1-99-percent-class-inequality/
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Trabisnikof posted:That's what so frustrating to me about this. Why the gently caress didn't Sanders hire a community liaison to help him say the correct things to respond to this stuff? He should have remembered from his activisty days, to be honest.
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Good Citizen posted:Whoa good thing that guy isn't a cop I have never wanted an unarmed person to get shot so badly in my life.
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Sinestro posted:I have never wanted an unarmed person to get shot so badly in my life. 
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I'm concerned there are some age-related cracks in Bernie's shell of competence, that he can't respond quickly enough, with enough to substance, to certain things. I hope I'm wrong.
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Sinestro posted:I have never wanted an unarmed person to get shot so badly in my life. Dude what the gently caress is wrong with you
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So what does Alicia Garza have to say about this? If she's that important to the movement then maybe she should have an opinion about what people are doing in the name of BLM.
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Something Else posted:I'm concerned there are some age-related cracks in Bernie's shell of competence, that he can't respond quickly enough, with enough to substance, to certain things. I hope I'm wrong. I suspect the wishy-washy response has a lot more to do with the fact that he's about to address an audience of 20,000 people and doesn't have time to carefully craft a policy plan in the two hours between rallies?
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Yeah, why don't more politicians have focus groups to tell them what buzzwords to use
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Sinestro posted:I have never wanted an unarmed person to get shot so badly in my life. hosed up if true.
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Mirthless posted:I suspect the wishy-washy response has a lot more to do with the fact that he's about to address an audience of 20,000 people and doesn't have time to carefully craft a policy plan in the two hours between rallies? Oh, it's definitely that. But he's had time since NetRoots. I'm sure he's working on it, but if this happens again in Portland and Los Angeles, it's going to be bad.
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Sinestro posted:I have never wanted an unarmed person to get shot so badly in my life. Bernie supporter spotted
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I think Bernie can handle the issue better, but at the same time I feel there's a lot of people projecting onto him things he hasn't said. Is it his place, as a white man, to take a larger leadership role in the BLM movement anyway? If anything he did a better thing with allowing them to use his platform.
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Something Else posted:Oh, it's definitely that. But he's had time since NetRoots. I'm sure he's working on it, but if this happens again in Portland and Los Angeles, it's going to be bad. Agreed. I'm hoping he'll lay something out during the rally tonight, it's a big event and if he doesn't at least lay out something WRT criminal justice reform it's going to be hard for him to continue to say he cares about this issue. Neeksy posted:I think Bernie can handle the issue better, but at the same time I feel there's a lot of people projecting onto him things he hasn't said. Is it his place, as a white man, to take a larger leadership role in the BLM movement anyway? If anything he did a better thing with allowing them to use his platform. He already has, and he just did, though. Because, again, what other candidate would have let this happen?
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Mirthless posted:I suspect the wishy-washy response has a lot more to do with the fact that he's about to address an audience of 20,000 people and doesn't have time to carefully craft a policy plan in the two hours between rallies? That is also true. Let's hope he addresses it better tomorrow, when tempers have cooled.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Eh, that's not the best way of going about it, Bernie. tbf its kinda hard to rearrange your whole schedule to address something that happened at small event an hour or two before you go on stage in front of 12k+ people
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Neeksy posted:I think Bernie can handle the issue better, but at the same time I feel there's a lot of people projecting onto him things he hasn't said. Is it his place, as a white man, to take a larger leadership role in the BLM movement anyway? If anything he did a better thing with allowing them to use his platform. It is his place, as a progressive presidential candidate, to have a real & relevant criminal justice/police reform plan. The timeline on which that must appear if the source of contention, I guess.
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Sinestro posted:I have never wanted an unarmed person to get shot so badly in my life. I too have a deep nihilistic misanthropy and desire violence and death on people who annoy me.
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Something Else posted:It is his place, as a progressive presidential candidate, to have a real & relevant criminal justice/police reform plan. The timeline on which that must appear if the source of contention, I guess. True. I agree that he needs to be better about having that kind of criminal justice plan, but that if he does want to say "Black Lives Matter" he should accompany that with giving the mic to the people who directly experience the realities of it than to try and speak for the movement. Essentially he should parter with the movement without trying to fully absorb it into his own.
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I am so pissed off that Bernie's event was ruined. Idiots. edit: Wait, this wasn't the 20k person event? Thank
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Mantis42 posted:Its not the 'Left', its the stupid morality cult of modern American liberalism - what people are actually referring to when they mean 'SJWs'. The kind that is going to put the rightist neoliberal Hilary into power just to spite Leftists for, you know, actually focusing on the Class War. Its kind of like how people complain about progressives sacrificing minority issues to focus on economics, only except in reality its the exact opposite and its poisoning us. The correct solution to all of these things is to advocate left economic policies, such as Sanders is doing, and when the opportunity arises, to incorporate these social issues, because they're intertwined, like Sanders wants and likely will (but some of his supporters haven't quite gotten yet). Sinestro posted:I have never wanted an unarmed person to get shot so badly in my life. radical meme posted:So what does Alicia Garza have to say about this? If she's that important to the movement then maybe she should have an opinion about what people are doing in the name of BLM.
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Xanderkish posted:I too have a deep nihilistic misanthropy and desire violence and death on people who annoy me. Yeah Sinestro, pretty hosed up. You should only desire violence and death on yourself.
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