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McDowell posted:Yeah Sinestro, pretty hosed up. You should only desire violence and death on yourself. Parents optional
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Republican Debate Showing Candidates Views out of the Mainstreamquote:In the span of a few days this week, Scott Walker emphasized that he opposes abortions, with no exceptions in cases of rape or incest or to save the woman’s life. Marco Rubio shot down a suggestion that he advocated exceptions for rape or incest. http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e5e2_story.html
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Neeksy posted:True. I agree that he needs to be better about having that kind of criminal justice plan, but that if he does want to say "Black Lives Matter" he should accompany that with giving the mic to the people who directly experience the realities of it than to try and speak for the movement. Essentially he should parter with the movement without trying to fully absorb it into his own. I have a hard time envisioning how a vocal movement protesting racism fundamental to our society would be gracefully incorporated into a presidential primary run. Are they his opening act? Does he have to distance himself from them when they go off the reservation? I think the sort of action that happened at the rally makes it clear that the movement isn't ready or willing to be partnered with by a serious presidential candidate.
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Lord of Pie posted:Yeah, why don't more politicians have focus groups to tell them what buzzwords to use This but unironically. Bernie looks like a fool.
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Devor posted:I have a hard time envisioning how a vocal movement protesting racism fundamental to our society would be gracefully incorporated into a presidential primary run. I think there are plenty of activists within the movement who would be able to be brought in to speak at rallies or even consulting on legislative proposals. It is impossible to claim that one person can represent the whole movement at this point, so instead at least giving it a voice in some form is at least some kind of starting point. Instead of having to be hijacked, Bernie should perhaps coordinate with them so the audience doesn't feel like what they came to see hasn't been preempted by a rogue group. Besides, there must be plenty of people within the BLM movement that are ready and willing to be partnered with a candidate in some form; this particular group might not, but they can't claim to represent everyone.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:if it makes you guys feel better, they probably would've hijacked any other candidate that actually had an open rally too
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BLM and BLM Seattle have already disavowed what happened during Bernie's pre-rally, and apologized that it happened.
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Something Else posted:The best response is to meet with them privately, address their concerns publicly, and try to earn their endorsement. The movement does not seem organized enough to embrace or co-opt in a structured way. That's the beauty of it: he only needs to co-opt the one group, and then it's them duking it out over whether they're actually representative or not.
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Thump! posted:BLM and BLM Seattle have already disavowed what happened during Bernie's pre-rally, and apologized that it happened.
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The only thing I would say about Bernie is that he seems to lack some of the superficial, consensus building skills that have traditionally coopted the more loud quadrants of a potential coalition. Its not about what he's doing. Its what he's seen to be doing, i.e. a Kennedy (either brother) situation.
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:You know, it's possible to want to focus on both economic issues and social issues. Like, focusing on economic issues will solve a lot of problems, but it won't stop the whole unarmed black people being shot by the cops problem and it won't close the wage gap between men and women and it won't get rid of the need for ENDA, and so on. I know. But there is a part of American liberalism that simply does not want to win. When I call them a moralist cult its because they're focused on never ending purity tests. Bernie has been conciliatory to BLM since the beginning, even apologetic at times, and offered them time to speak on issues. They didn't even return that basic courtesy to him. The left can and should focus on both economic and social issues. But I've heard socialists for years be accused of hurting social movements by focusing solely on economics (and its been true historically) but this concerted campaign to derail Bernie is the exact opposite. Its a selfish and hypocritical sabotaging of a movement on the left that could actually be making progress because they've been deemed 'impure' on one issue, therefore immoral, and must be opposed. Its why leftists disparage SJWs as much as conservatives do, albeit for different reasons.
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Thump! posted:BLM and BLM Seattle have already disavowed what happened during Bernie's pre-rally, and apologized that it happened. I'm curious - I thought they weren't organized enough to have a central person who directed the protest at Bernie. So who apologized?
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Neeksy posted:I think there are plenty of activists within the movement who would be able to be brought in to speak at rallies or even consulting on legislative proposals. It is impossible to claim that one person can represent the whole movement at this point, so instead at least giving it a voice in some form is at least some kind of starting point. Instead of having to be hijacked, Bernie should perhaps coordinate with them so the audience doesn't feel like what they came to see hasn't been preempted by a rogue group. Besides, there must be plenty of people within the BLM movement that are ready and willing to be partnered with a candidate in some form; this particular group might not, but they can't claim to represent everyone. Hell, if Bernie did the whole discuss privately-announce publicly thing, and had some prominent members of the black community to join him at these rallies, that would probably go a long way, and if there was another interception of people like these two protestors, they would be seen as off-message and out of touch with the movement as a whole. Mantis42 posted:Its not the 'Left', its the stupid morality cult of modern American liberalism - what people are actually referring to when they mean 'SJWs'. The kind that is going to put the rightist neoliberal Hilary into power just to spite Leftists for, you know, actually focusing on the Class War. Its kind of like how people complain about progressives sacrificing minority issues to focus on economics, only except in reality its the exact opposite and its poisoning us. That was an interesting article. I agree that too much moralistic navel-gazing can be a problem and distract people from larger issues, but discussing privilege isn't about diverting attention away from those larger issues. The notion of privilege is important because it helps people begin to open a dialogue with long-suffering minority groups, understanding how their perspective might be different because of different experiences resultant from different social and economic statuses. That's not unimportant. And like Mecca-Benghazi said, these issues can be approached at the same time, and indeed they probably need to be approached by acknowledging where they interlock with each other, as well as where they are separate from one another. As far as SJW's go, I've seen a lot of criticism of the people branded SJW's as being moralistic for the sake of being moralistic, but in my experience that's far rarer than is actually presented. Most of the people I've seen called SJW's are truly either experiencing or attempting to fight against discrimination and prejudice. I think people perceive them as being insincere or doing vanity work because they can't understand why the issues they're fighting against are so important, which again wraps into the whole privilege thing.
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Look at this: What type of poo poo is that? "We demand to speak on this issue that is important to us." "Go right ahead." "That's not our job, inform yourself." Completely useless.
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Kalman posted:I'm curious - I thought they weren't organized enough to have a central person who directed the protest at Bernie. So who apologized? whoever owns the blm_seattle twitter
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Mantis42 posted:Look at this: From her recent tweets, sounds like she caught amazing amounts of poo poo for this tweet https://twitter.com/ztsamudzi?lang=en
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Devor posted:From her recent tweets, sounds like she caught amazing amounts of poo poo for this tweet Well-deserved
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Ted Cruz had an open rally in Atlanta today. There were no protesters Samurai Sanders posted:Do they have a plan to keep the same thing from happening again? Mantis42 posted:I know. But there is a part of American liberalism that simply does not want to win. When I call them a moralist cult its because they're focused on never ending purity tests. Bernie has been conciliatory to BLM since the beginning, even apologetic at times, and offered them time to speak on issues. They didn't even return that basic courtesy to him.  i think you are mistaking criticism for sabotage. like, i am criticizing bernie, but that's because i want him to improve on these issues that i care about as well as his message about economics.
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Mantis42 posted:Look at this: you must be new to twitter. this has been the standard response of SJWs for a long, long time. as an activist myself, i find it to be the dumbest loving thing in the universe when someone sincerely asks you about your movement and you respond with "i'm not gonna do the labor of informing you about _________" i mean why fuckin be an activist if you can't/won't explain your activism? isn't that the point?
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Mantis42 posted:Look at this: Her question is dumb as poo poo and tiring though
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Devor posted:From her recent tweets, sounds like she caught amazing amounts of poo poo for this tweet quote:Lil resistance thug, she/her, social psychologist deconstructing hegemonies; overwhelmingly black;
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Make the mention of SJWs a bannable offense, BLM, Seattle, and anything with Twitter not about Donald Trump too.
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echronorian posted:Her question is dumb as poo poo and tiring though Ok so ignore it or take thirty seconds to respond in a nice manner.
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echronorian posted:Her question is dumb as poo poo and tiring though Seriously, if somebody can use twitter, they can google that poo poo.
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echronorian posted:Her question is dumb as poo poo and tiring though all these loving white people trying to help our cause ugh i literally just can't even
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Kalman posted:I'm curious - I thought they weren't organized enough to have a central person who directed the protest at Bernie. So who apologized? They're pretty decentralized, but they apologized here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Lives-Matter-Seattle/523804057758154?fref=ts
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blue squares posted:Ok so ignore it or take thirty seconds to respond in a nice manner. Hey, I agree. But it's one lady on Twitter who sounds sick of the question. I don't think that's representative of blm. Guess what? Black people actually don't have a hive mind, they all think different things, so holding up one person as an example like "SEE? I KNEW THEY WERE IRRATIONAL!!" is just the kind of thing I'd expect from a Bernie supporter
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Lazy_Liberal posted:Seriously, if somebody can use twitter, they can google that poo poo. good name/post combination
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Lazy_Liberal posted:Seriously, if somebody can use twitter, they can google that poo poo. If you don't have the patience to answer the same dumb question a gazillion times, maybe find another way of enacting social change. There's plenty of backroom/organizing/position-paper-editing work to be done that doesn't involve facing an ignorant, sometimes hostile public.
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Mantis42 posted:Look at this: That's NBPP levels of idiocy and indignation.
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Mantis42 posted:I know. But there is a part of American liberalism that simply does not want to win. When I call them a moralist cult its because they're focused on never ending purity tests. Speaking of which: Devor posted:From her recent tweets, sounds like she caught amazing amounts of poo poo for this tweet quote:Sometimes, I don't want to engage. And I have the right not to. And you will not tell me the "appropriate" way to assert my boundaries. e: Also what echronorian said a few posts above me.
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