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The Ninth Layer posted:I felt this whole season was good and I never had the problem of overhigh expectations that a lot of other people seemed to have after True Detective's first season. I even enjoyed Vince Vaughn delivering lines out of a Godfather script. Also, this. e: rope kid posted:I believe HBO had already signed on for a third season even before the second started airing. Didn't the head of HBO go on record saying he loved the poo poo out of this season, and is excited to work with Nick in the future should Nick want to write more seasons of TD? Even without Pizzaman I'd imagine TD gets a third season.
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I definitely watched the show very closely, was not distracted, and still had trouble following certain plot elements. It's kind of confusing even to people who weren't checking Facebook the whole time. My reasoning is, the specific stakes weren't ever particularly clear, so in the early episodes I had little to hold onto. The first season was simple: a group of maniac cultists are murdering women and children in hosed up ways. Even when the plot expands into the conspiracy to keep the murders secret, you never lose sight of the point of the thing. Innocent, vulnerable people are being killed by an occult boogeyman. Only our flawed protagonists can solve the mystery of the Cthuloid bayou rape king. But even now, I still don't know what the point of Season 2 is...it opens with Caspare's murder, but he's a gross piece of poo poo who probably deserved it. A bunch of corrupt authorities have some byzantine network of dirty dealings, but they never demonstrate why this is unusually terrible or destructive. Even the rich guy sex parties are more lurid and exploitive than monstrous or horrifying. The Bad Guys are bad guys, but so what? Who cares? Our heroes aren't particularly heroic, and the villainous force driving the plot is garden-variety greed and obtuse bureaucracy. The plot is an absolute din of mundanely selfish characters loving each other over again and again, so it's easy to disengage. The only thing that compelled me about the story were the individual characters, and even then only Ani and Ray were particularly well-drawn. And I agree with people's assessment that those arcs ended in a needlessly bleak, meaningless way. The characters you liked get unsatisfying conclusions, the boring villains win, and...so what?
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The Duggler posted:The dumbest (and most realistic) is the airport cops shooting the guy being attacked with a knife in the chest a single time after Lenny(????) Was shot a dozen times He was black though.
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Aug 10, 2015 22:05
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For all the billion words typed in this thread post-finale, it took a place like Deadspin to actually nail it: True Detective, Season 2, in 2 minutes
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I didn't see anyone else point out yet that Burris is basically Ramsay Snow in terms of effortless incontrovertible success at everything e: he even gets Ray's bag of $6 million at the end, twice the value of the initial blue diamonds Vehementi fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Aug 10, 2015 |
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Aug 10, 2015 22:06
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The finale retroactively made everything good about S2 bad.
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Would've been nice if I had seen Tony Chessanni for more than one scene so I could actually hate him. Also I was really expecting Erica to turn out to be the killer and come back around to kill Burris. ed; also why didn't Vince Vaughn call the mexicans for the raid? Seemed like an easy out for him, and was what I was expecting him to do. They get their money and the person ultimately responsible for all their deals going south, and Frank gets to maybe go live happily ever after. I did like the whole walk-through-the-desert scene though, very well-done. KillerQueen fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Aug 10, 2015 |
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Aug 10, 2015 22:10
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This is a late term aborshun of a show.
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KillerQueen posted:Would've been nice if I had seen Tony Chessanni for more than one scene so I could actually hate him. I was wondering who his 2nd person was going to be for the raid. His shopping list was "shotgun 2x, kevlar 2x, etc." so he planned on a partner. Surely he wasn't relying on Velcoro the entire time? He knew he was going to send his last reliable dude away with his wife and he had no other guys. Whatever I'm sure I'll come across someone reliable & available to help me steal $12 million who won't double cross me or anything, it'll be fine. White suit guys, two weeks or less. Was birdman's plan to let Erica chew her arm off in that house (since he was going on a suicide mission)? Or was she to eventually scream for help?
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King Vidiot posted:We're not dense, we're just not paying close attention to the show at all because it's loving boring. What's funnier is that you guys are watching this show and taking it seriously enough to care about the mayor's evil schemes. It's a good thing you then come onto a discussion forum and hold forth authoritatively about why the show is bad based on a total misunderstanding of the basic plot.
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Vehementi posted:Was birdman's plan to let Erica chew her arm off in that house (since he was going on a suicide mission)? Or was she to eventually scream for help? Well, if he had an ID they'd pretty much immediately search the man's house. I just find it funny because he left her a tube of Pringles to snack on. Don't worry sis, you won't starve to death, they're pizza flavored!
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Vehementi posted:I didn't see anyone else point out yet that Burris is basically Ramsay Snow in terms of effortless incontrovertible success at everything It would've been even better if Burris just leaned against Velcoro's car counting up the money while his mercenary guys were out killing Ray, and then they come back out of the woods a few minutes later to tell him it's done. Or if Ray ran all through the forest, going in different directions, doing everything he could to keep them off his trail and then when he gets to a clearing Burris is already there waiting for him and shoots him. The post-credits sequence would be Burris pulling up next to Frank at the exact moment of his death, then taking back the diamonds he stole and driving off.
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C2C - 2.0 posted:For all the billion words typed in this thread post-finale, it took a place like Deadspin to actually nail it: This video has about as much value as the entirety of the second season
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Hahah oh man I love the fact that the desperate apologist defenders of this terrible season are jumping all over the one dude who said he didn't like it because he didn't understand it. And they're now actively using that one dude to continue with the ridiculous implication that anyone who didn't like this garbage is dumb, lazy and apparently too busy watching cartoons now too. Never mind basically everyone else in this thread (and in the world) who did understand it and still say it was terrible... Just focus on this one dude!! If you're a dumb and lazy cartoon watcher then go read these thousands and thousands of words explaining the plot on 5 different websites... clearly an indication of how well written this nonsense was! 
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Trees and Squids posted:This video has about as much value as the entirety of the second season And just like the second season it was too long.
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Trees and Squids posted:This video has about as much value as the entirety of the second season I'd say more, because it was mildly entertaining for at least half of it.
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I liked this show and i also liked season 1, i liked every episode idk what the hubbub is all about 
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monkeu posted:Hahah oh man I love the fact that the desperate apologist defenders of this terrible season are jumping all over the one dude who said he didn't like it because he didn't understand it. And they're now actively using that one dude to continue with the ridiculous implication that anyone who didn't like this garbage is dumb, lazy and apparently too busy watching cartoons now too. Except we aren't doing this at all, nice try m8
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monkeu posted:Hahah oh man I love the fact that the desperate apologist defenders of this terrible season are jumping all over the one dude who said he didn't like it because he didn't understand it. And they're now actively using that one dude to continue with the ridiculous implication that anyone who didn't like this garbage is dumb, lazy and apparently too busy watching cartoons now too. ...I would not be such a nothin', my head all full o' stuffin'...
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Vehementi posted:I didn't see anyone else point out yet that Burris is basically Ramsay Snow in terms of effortless incontrovertible success at everything It feels like tv in general has suddenly shifted from using sloppy writing to get characters we're intended to empathise with out of trouble to using sloppy writing to put them into trouble. It could just be the shows I watch though. If they were committed on the downer ending though, I think the writing could have been tighter if it was just the duo raid that went awry. Instead the whole thing went off blandly without a single hitch so it took some forcing to invent dire complications for them later. Woodrugh went down the exact same way, essentially. Burris definitely benefited most from the janky writing.
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This season was a muddled mess but for the last half of the season I started to actually look forward to seeing each episode and enjoyed most of them. This ending seemed like a kick in the face with how aggressively dark and bad (for the protagonists) it was, especially in comparison to last season's ending which was surprisingly uplifting and emotional.
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Radiapathy posted:I was thinking Felicia (scar lady) gave Frank up. In every scene at the Black Rose they cut to close-ups of her looking (to me) guilty when other people are talking. If it was her, I don't think she had a choice (with her at the club, she's an easy target for the Mexican gang)... but it really felt like she was in on it. I got the feeling that most of her closeups were in relation to her own feelings towards Ray surfacing whenever Ani implied there was a deeper relationship between the two of them.
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Rannos22 posted:This season was a muddled mess but for the last half of the season I started to actually look forward to seeing each episode and enjoyed most of them. This ending seemed like a kick in the face with how aggressively dark and bad (for the protagonists) it was, especially in comparison to last season's ending which was surprisingly uplifting and emotional. I guess it could be a good ending depending on what you think the reporter is going to do with Bezzerides' evidence, or what the end result would be. We could maybe assume that Burris and Tony are untouchable, but we can't really know what effect it would have on their careers or lives if the evidence is presented and the story is written. They may do time, Tony might be barred from holding any political office (but probably get a slap on the wrist and still be filthy rich), we don't know. It's as optimistic as you want it to be.
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I like that Nails and Ani and Jordan are a weird family now  And  at all the "Pizzolatto shouldn't have got rid of Fukunaga" sentiments I'm seeing everywhere - he's an exec producer, along with Harrelson and McConaughey, they brought us this season!
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I missed the reporter ani told everything to being the reporter ray beat up
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Max posted:I got the feeling that most of her closeups were in relation to her own feelings towards Ray surfacing whenever Ani implied there was a deeper relationship between the two of them. Black Bones posted:And
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blablablabla posted:I missed the reporter ani told everything to being the reporter ray beat up How'd you figure that out?
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Black Bones posted:I like that Nails and Ani and Jordan are a weird family now Fukunaga had basically no involvement in this season, according to his earlier interviews. He directed the entire first season, and more often than not an EP credit doesn't really mean anything. Hell, you can get credited as an Executive Producer even if you get fired / quit / never spend a single day on set or involved in the creative process. Given that this show didn't even have a writer's room, I'm guessing Fukunaga's influence on this season was effectively zero.
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monkeu posted:Hahah oh man I love the fact that the desperate apologist defenders of this terrible season are jumping all over the one dude who said he didn't like it because he didn't understand it. And they're now actively using that one dude to continue with the ridiculous implication that anyone who didn't like this garbage is dumb, lazy and apparently too busy watching cartoons now too. I mean if you really want to say something positive about the show you could say that it's still aggressively better than a lot of dumb series people love, like Arrow, Flash, Mr Robot, Wayward Pines, Last Man on Earth, Penny Dreadful, and the poo poo list goes on. In a world where season 1 doesn't exist this is an ok, huh, noir/crime/police drama. Not great, but not too bad either. Goons will bend over backwards to defend their favorite show, I remember posters getting ridiculed and banned out of the old Lost thread for saying something along the lines of "huh guys this show is kinda bad and the writers are making poo poo up as they go, there's no deeper meaning anywhere". Every time Locke answered any other character's questions with the golden "I don't know yet" people in the thread would orgasm on their keyboards, losing themselves in the longest posts about philosophical interpretations of what surely was academy award level screenwriting. It's always surprising how bad and out of touch with reality threads in TV:IV can become. Not here though. This thread is true detective season 2 getting poo poo on for pages and pages, which is good.
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rope kid posted:An EP credit does not necessarily mean they contributed substantively. They produce the show. But maybe Pizzolatto tricked the other 3, with like a fake script! I bet they tried to stop him, but he was too powerful Although I don't get the claims that his writing has been worse, it's pretty much exactly as cheesy and awesome as s.1 
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Black Bones posted:I like that Nails and Ani and Jordan are a weird family now I'm pretty sure those are honorary positions, and if they're not, congratulations on not understanding how doing one job is not the same as doing a completely different job. That being said, not having Fukunaga direct wasn't the worst idea. Using a rotating stable of your house directors certainly was though. Half the success of the first season was that it was seven hours of coherent technical and artistic vision. And the sub David Mamet dialogue was definitely worse than last season, let alone some of the more abstract structural problems with writing. Still, it was worth sticking with imho it's as fascinating in its badness as the previous season was in its quality.
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Vehementi posted:How'd you figure that out? They both worked for the same newspaper, I think, but that's it.
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This held up as the greatest post in the thread to me.Damo posted:Lol here we go again. Never change, TV/IV. I've also seen this mentioned on other boards as well, along with the "the episode was so confusing!" poo poo. Not surprisingly the "he's gay" thing was mostly coming from from the same people who were confused by the episode.
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Fukunagas involvement was the lame insert of a director in season 2. That sure showed him Nick. Almost as bad as when a director/writer inserts a critic and takes it out on them in a show.
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I admit, I don't know much about how films are made, movies or television. I assumed executive producers were important and influencial positions, like getting the crew and cast and money and signing off on and promoting stuff. They get things made. But maybe it's just an honour? Anyways, great finale to an ambitious season. Can't wait for season three! Has the rascaly Pizzolatto dropped any hints what it will be about?
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Hand Row posted:Fukunagas involvement was the lame insert of a director in season 2. That sure showed him Nick. Maybe Cary thought it was funny? Like how Tarantino is always makes himself the most cringey douchebag character. But I guess they could be enemies now, the show is so intense it has real world casualities
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hard counter posted:It feels like tv in general has suddenly shifted from using sloppy writing to get characters we're intended to empathise with out of trouble to using sloppy writing to put them into trouble. It could just be the shows I watch though. Well, I've seen it with mostly GoT which I am completely disconnected from the story with how awful it became. But at least it isn't boring, not like the vast majority of Season 2 was, like 90%. As mentioned previously, it seems Pizzalito went the Game of Thrones route with this ending. Pointless nihilism, no resolution, full of bad writing, bad dialogue and sloppy cliches. Also, Fukunaga and Pizzalito absolutely did not get along at all on the set of True Detective Season 1. There were a lot of problems between them and it is why he wasn't around for Season 2. They kept a lid on it, but there were clear problems between the two. The executive producer credit doesn't mean anything.
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Just watched it. It was pretty bad. I have no idea what required the extra half-hour, because I'm pretty sure I spent at least a half-hour asking when they were going to do something. I laughed out loud when I read this thread after and saw that they meant the baby at the end to be Ani's and Velcoros. I thought at first that Jordan had just adopted one like she and Frank wanted to do. That would have made some thematic sense: at least one child in this world who would have grown up trapped by their past trauma instead grew up in a loving environment. NOPE! Turns out the woman who willingly put herself into drug-orgy central a week beforehand wasn't on birth control. Of course. And the lounge singer song they kept replaying was annoying as hell. It's true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKTpW4n2XgQ
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ZeeBoi posted:Except we aren't doing this at all, nice try m8 Vehementi posted:Nice dishonest posting esperterra posted:I already stated in an earlier post it would be different had you paid attention. Half the things you complain about or bring up have been remembered wrong. AKMoose posted:If you can't even pay enough attention to a TV show to understand the plot then your opinion is not valid. Especially if that opinion is more substantive than "I found it boring and lost interest." vyst posted:But you wouldn't be here, which is fine since you basically half-watched the show anyway. And that was just in the last 2 pages, but keep not reading I guess
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