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Aug 11, 2015 04:27
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I look forward to MPs complaining about $26m for public consultation on the flag being too costly applying the same level of scrutiny to the financial costs of their own policies.
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Aug 11, 2015 04:30
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$26M isn't very much money imo
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Aug 11, 2015 04:36
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butt wizard are you serious or just trying to play devils advocate? because this government's constant excuse when they want to avoid doing something is "there isnt enough money", like if youve ever heard Bill English talk or been to one of the post-budget breakfast things that has been the theme of every single one for the past 8 years. You're naive as poo poo if you don't see the cynicism in a government spending $26m on a flag campaign (that is likely to change nothing given all the polling since before it began) while refusing to spend more money to address an issue like child poverty, or to properly fund the various community service groups that govt agencies rely on anywayExclamation Marx posted:$26M isn't very much money imo it'd be enough to open and run a women's refuge in every major town in NZ. Alternatively it'd keep the women's refuges that exist currently running basically in perpetuity, and much more efficiently because they wouldn't have to constantly scrounge for funding. Alternatively it could fund a full time special needs worker for every single decile 1-5 primary school in the country. Just a couple of examples of better ways the money could be spent~ voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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Aug 11, 2015 04:42
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He's trying to get an invite from Johnny Boy to go grab a beer and some snags and watch the ruggers
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Aug 11, 2015 04:44
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fong posted:it'd be enough to open and run a women's refuge in every major town in NZ. Alternatively it'd keep the women's refuges that exist currently running basically in perpetuity, and much more efficiently because they wouldn't have to constantly scrounge for funding. Alternatively it could fund a full time special needs worker for every single decile 1-5 primary school in the country. Just a couple of examples of better ways the money could be spent~ yeah, those things are inexpensive and should be funded too.
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Aug 11, 2015 04:57
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fong posted:butt wizard are you serious or just trying to play devils advocate? because this government's constant excuse when they want to avoid doing something is "there isnt enough money", like if youve ever heard Bill English talk or been to one of the post-budget breakfast things that has been the theme of every single one for the past 8 years. You're naive as poo poo if you don't see the cynicism in a government spending $26m on a flag campaign (that is likely to change nothing given all the polling since before it began) while refusing to spend more money to address an issue like child poverty, or to properly fund the various community service groups that govt agencies rely on anyway Look I would rather see that money go to stuff like Women's Refuge or fully funding Plunket etc. But the reality is that if you assume we're going to have a referendum when we do change the flag at some point in the future and they cost about $9m each, then the flag consultation itself is only costing $8m. For the chance to make that next step towards our own identity ala Canada, that's a relatively small amount of money, and you can probably find $26m of existing spending to question at the drop of a hat. The cost of changing the flag is also a one-off, whereas the stuff you are suggesting would be an ongoing commitment, so you're not exactly comparing apples with apples. And there's always going to be more morally compelling things to spend money on than a flag. There's always going to be poverty. There's always going to be economic issues to deal with. There's not going to be a utopian ideal time where everything is magically fine and it's suddenly OK to consider a new flag, so that's not exactly a compelling point either. But if you really think $26m is going to make any real difference to fixing child poverty and not just be a band-aid symptom-fixing exercise then there's not really much I can say. You fix child poverty by spending billions on state housing and social welfare reform, not by arguing over $26m on two referendums you're probably going to have at some stage in the future anyway. Butt Wizard fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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Aug 11, 2015 05:04
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Exclamation Marx posted:yeah, those things are inexpensive and should be funded too.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:09
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Butt Wizard posted:And if Labour was pushing it? Would you be up in arms about it then? I suspect most people currently opposed would be hailing it as a vital change in our country's forging of a post-colonial identity. You know, like when Labour got rid of our right to appeal to the Privy Council without running it past anyone. But that's just petty constitutional stuff, no need to consult anyone about that, nope! Oh no guys! He's besmirching our precious Labour party that we all support and vote for! We are undone!
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Aug 11, 2015 05:14
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Butt Wizard posted:There's always going to be poverty. *zizek voice* ideology
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Aug 11, 2015 05:25
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Butt Wizard posted:The cost of changing the flag is also a one-off Hahaha this is great keep going.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:25
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Butt Wizard posted:And if Labour was pushing it? Would you be up in arms about it then? Yes. Labour are poo poo too.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:41
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Yeah lets waste 24 mil on the flag no-one cares about after primary school and leave the actual criminal gangs to prepare school lunches for hungry kids
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Aug 11, 2015 05:45
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Ledge, what about the ruggers mate? Good point. I can't believe I voted for the anti-fun party. Which is what the Greens are as they didn't want to back a bill so people could get drunk in public at 7am because that is how you enjoy rugby. Andrew Little likes fun because he'd drink at 7am if the All blacks were playing and winning and drink twice as much if they were losing (then presumably go home and beat his wife)
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Aug 11, 2015 05:46
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Gotta think, if the only thing people remember from Key's Legacy over 8 years is 'he changed the flag', then he must know that he has accomplished jack loving poo poo of merit.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:59
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ledge posted:Good point. Honestly, we should be asking if David Seymour has received any significant donations from alcohol-related industries.
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Aug 11, 2015 06:40
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Fukin love rugger hey mate did you check out that maul droppy that Richie got the other day?
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Aug 11, 2015 06:52
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The national anthem should be changed at the same time as the flag, to t.he all black haka.
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Aug 11, 2015 06:52
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:The national anthem should be changed at the same time as the flag, to t.he all black haka. I like our current anthem but this would be genuinely awesome
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Aug 11, 2015 06:56
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Top things in NZ: Ruggers The Game The All Blacks Tui Johnny "The Key" Key Footie
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Aug 11, 2015 06:58
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Top things in NZ: What kind of list doesn't have a few sausages on the barbie? You done hosed up.
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Aug 11, 2015 07:19
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I was surprised to read an actually (I thought) decent opinion column on the Herald today http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11495479 Sums up what a lot of people, at least that I know, feel about the situation but are frustrated and unable to do anything about.
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Aug 11, 2015 07:20
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Labour man says Tories hosed up. Stop the presses.
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Aug 11, 2015 07:27
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Top things in NZ: Having a beer with John Shaking john's hand Shenanigans with wait staff
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Aug 11, 2015 07:31
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:Labour man says Tories hosed up. Stop the presses. It wasn't necessarily the content, more the fact that it was on the herald website where people might actually read it.
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Aug 11, 2015 07:33
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Exclamation Marx posted:yeah, those things are inexpensive and should be funded too. havent you noticed how cheap your car rego is though? so much better than refgues
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Aug 11, 2015 07:33
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echinopsis posted:havent you noticed how cheap your car rego is though? so much better than refgues Mine was loving 40 dollerydoos more!
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Aug 11, 2015 07:34
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You should stop driving a death trap
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Aug 11, 2015 07:43
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Nanny state john will tell you what to drive
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Aug 11, 2015 07:43
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Mine was loving 40 dollerydoos more! lmao what do you drive
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Aug 11, 2015 07:50
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Butt Wizard posted:But if you really think $26m is going to make any real difference to fixing child poverty and not just be a band-aid symptom-fixing exercise then there's not really much I can say. You fix child poverty by spending billions on state housing and social welfare reform, not by arguing over $26m on two referendums you're probably going to have at some stage in the future anyway. You are right, 0$ is far less of a band-aid symptom-fixing exercise, we should spend that much instead, because if it's not perfect, it must not be good
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Aug 11, 2015 07:52
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:There's certainly no better way to use 24 million dollars. You could bribe two Saudi businessmen with that much. Displeased Moo Cow posted:Nanny state john will tell you what to drive A ute so you can transport your barbie and chilly bins full of beer and sausages?
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Aug 11, 2015 07:54
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:You should stop driving a death trap I'd love to do that but I'm still waiting for the reduced ACC levy on motorbike rego proportionate to the reduction in motorcyclist ACC claims so...
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Aug 11, 2015 07:55
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Think of how many ministerial limos that could buy. Or you know, the annual salaries of some teachers/nurses/police officers etc.
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Aug 11, 2015 07:55
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echinopsis posted:lmao what do you drive A 1991 celica, one of the greatest cars to ever grace this fine land.
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Aug 11, 2015 07:56
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Slavvy posted:I'd love to do that but I'm still waiting for the reduced ACC levy on motorbike rego proportionate to the reduction in motorcyclist ACC claims so... I would love to argue about this, but as someone who had a significant motorcycle accident I think I've taken more out than I've put into the system. Thank me and he dumb poo poo who hit me for your increased levies. You're welcome. ACC rules.
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Aug 11, 2015 07:59
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Look, if you drive a car and it does not have pop-up headlights, you've hosed up.
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Aug 11, 2015 08:04
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:Look, if you drive a car and it does not have pop-up headlights, you've hosed up. What about headlights that turn when you turn corners?
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Aug 11, 2015 08:08
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My dad says pop up lights are for pussies 
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:My dad says pop up lights are for pussies Your dad gave birth to you, so what does that say about him?
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