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It's funny because this argument reminds me of one I have all the time with my very optimistic, very Catholic friend (who loves Madoka, of course) but usually I'm the one arguing that God is a tyrant and that futile defiance is the noblest thing left to us.
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I hope I'm not coming off as argumentative, how dare you FUCKERS even think that
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wateyad posted:Errr... there isn't anything unsustainable about the magical girl system as it exists in the timeline where most of the show takes place.. It's unsustainable because the more energy you get out of a magical girl, the more powerful the witch appears, and the more people get eaten by the witch/squashed by pieces of falling rubble from the witch smashing buildings.
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Aug 11, 2015 02:11
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Phobophilia posted:It's unsustainable because the more energy you get out of a magical girl, the more powerful the witch appears, and the more people get eaten by the witch/squashed by pieces of falling rubble from the witch smashing buildings.
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Aug 11, 2015 02:38
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Since this is now the Gen Urobuchi and related work topic, I played through Saya no Uta, and cannot draw any comparisons to Madoka because  (It's actually not nearly as bad as the hype would have you to believe in my opinion) jiffypop45 fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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Aug 11, 2015 03:25
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Meaning is what you make it and, as far as creative projects go, Madoka brought in the bucks and stuck in enough heads to fuel threads like this. Whether whatever depth and insight is fanbase generated or original intentional creative masterwork I don't care. Reading through these posts (quickly skimming through some of them) has been fun and interesting even without .jpg. Just wanted to thank the effort posting and all the poo poo in between.  Here's hoping I can sell this to a friend and pick at the perspective of a girl raised on old Sailor Moon. I'm thinking of using the Hall Om Mig/Princess Tutu approach with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJMHjaE47c0 (Rebellion Spoilers)
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Aug 11, 2015 06:51
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I show people the Homu vs. Wal-mart fight like I show them Lancelot vs. Gil to sell Fate/Zero. Partially because action scenes make good bait, and also because I think gentle spoilers make the ride more interesting. It's worked out so far.
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Aug 11, 2015 07:17
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I would never have given this show the time of day if someone hadn't spoiled Episode 10 for me.
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Aug 11, 2015 09:52
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jiffypop45 posted:Since this is now the Gen Urobuchi and related work topic, I played through Saya no Uta, and cannot draw any comparisons to Madoka because It's sorta comparable to Rebellion in the sense that they're both hosed up love stories where the protagonist gets what they want at the cost of completely reshaping the world, and probably not for the better. Urobuchi has themes he keeps going back to, and what it means to live at odds with the way the world works is one of them. I can't really recommend Saya no Uta to other people, though, because holy poo poo is it ever uncomfortable to read through for a number of reasons. I'm pretty sure that's 100% intentional, but still.
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Ferretts posted:Meaning is what you make it and, as far as creative projects go, Madoka brought in the bucks and stuck in enough heads to fuel threads like this. Whether whatever depth and insight is fanbase generated or original intentional creative masterwork I don't care. Reading through these posts (quickly skimming through some of them) has been fun and interesting even without .jpg. Just wanted to thank the effort posting and all the poo poo in between. Theory-crafting is fun with an obviously nonsensical universe like Madoka's!  I think it's very much futile to think about ANY of the mechanics of this show in great detail (so naturally, I do it anyway). But I really appreciate all the observations about the characters. For all the plotholes in Madoka, the character arcs felt remarkably consistent for me. ....aaaaaaaah I'm just kidding, you know I'm here for freaky paper cutout monsters and 14-year olds slugging it out
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Aug 11, 2015 11:47
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jiffypop45 posted:Since this is now the Gen Urobuchi and related work topic, I played through Saya no Uta, and cannot draw any comparisons to Madoka because Child porn is bad, imo
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Aug 11, 2015 17:42
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:It's funny because this argument reminds me of one I have all the time with my very optimistic, very Catholic friend (who loves Madoka, of course) but usually I'm the one arguing that God is a tyrant and that futile defiance is the noblest thing left to us. God is Great.
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Aug 11, 2015 17:45
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Ｒｅｖｅｒｅｎｃｅ ｔｈｅ ｇｏｄｓ， ｓａｖｅ ｍｅｎ． Ｌｉｆｅ ｉｓ ｂｒｉｅｆ； ｔｈｅｒｅ ｉｓ ｂｕｔ ｏｎｅ ｈａｒｖｅｓｔ ｏｆ ｅａｒｔｈｌｙ ｅｘｉｓｔｅｎｃｅ， ａ ｈｏｌｙ ｄｉｓｐｏｓｉｔｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ｎｅｉｇｈｂｏｒｌｙ ａｃｔｓ．
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Namtab posted:Child porn is bad, imo I meant more in terms of gore/disturbing imagery. Though I think this comes in large part from how Urobuchi wrote it in such a way that you don't dislike Fuminori nor Saya and in an unsettling sense cheer them on. They do well to never try and gross you out too much to this end I believe in that you never see the explicit details of the murders in slasher style. The sex scenes were standard fare for a VN (and part of why I don't play them). So I knew what to expect coming in. Saya's rape and their treatment of Yoh was the only thing that really bothered me. I'm a very empathetic person and have never been able to stomach hardcore BDSM or rape fantasies.
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Aug 11, 2015 18:02
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Ferretts posted:Here's hoping I can sell this to a friend and pick at the perspective of a girl raised on old Sailor Moon. Best Madoka AMVs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnSaBI1U_24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0L7MvlowZk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftm953BUQj8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aaQIvZdU6U And a mix of the two best 2011 anime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1k5UGUznrc
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Aug 11, 2015 20:45
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AlternateNu posted:Best Madoka AMVs: You missed one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnZ308WYKnk
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Pyrotoad posted:You missed one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnZ308WYKnk Ah, right. Better link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcAVh8hN-j4 It looks like the original upload has been removed.
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A show that 'invents god' in a much better way is Gatchaman CROWDS, which envisions God as a massive support structure that operates for the benefit of Literally Everyone and ignores all previous rules, a structure to which everyone innately belongs, and only exists as a product of positive effort by humans. Dictatorship of the proletariat. Which is what God is, in the early non-fundamentalist parts of Abrahamic traditions. A product of the crowd. Get it? Ironically, 'enacting god's will' is the last thing any religion of this sort should be doing - because life is a continuous process of discovering god's will by engaging with the rest of humanity. I'm kind of interested in what the movies change. I'll force my anime crew to move it up on the list. We're currently watching Giant Robo at the speed it originally came out, so we have a year or two freed up. The story of Madoka strikes me as so unyieldingly bad in hindsight that I'm now convinced I must have missed something. Watch this space.
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Aug 11, 2015 21:35
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I remembered qb only lying by omission but turns out he actively lies
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Oh, are we posting Madoka AMVs now? Alrighty then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQp8GWdpYug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jwBl3_jlzQ
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I was hoping this would happen. AlternateNu posted:Best Madoka AMVs: Pixel Blended Studios is top shelf. Their Wolf Children video is the best that exists, along with probably their Your Lie in April... but you couldn't go wrong checking them all out. They got me watching SSY, and almost Fate/Zero (couldn't finish the first episode). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJ80cd0gG4 (I'd post a link to the channel, but I'm loving that up somehow) Devil's Game 1.0 is better. 2.0 cut the Madoka/Homura post Wally fight dramatic climax scene. Spoilers or no spoilers, that was the highlight of the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61qXcPjs5So Blaziken386 posted:Oh, are we posting Madoka AMVs now? Yup, and AlternateNu already beat you to your first one. Ferretts fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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Hbomberguy posted:A show that 'invents god' in a much better way is Gatchaman CROWDS, which envisions God as a massive support structure that operates for the benefit of Literally Everyone and ignores all previous rules, a structure to which everyone innately belongs, and only exists as a product of positive effort by humans. Dictatorship of the proletariat. Which is what God is, in the early non-fundamentalist parts of Abrahamic traditions. A product of the crowd. Get it? Ironically, 'enacting god's will' is the last thing any religion of this sort should be doing - because life is a continuous process of discovering god's will by engaging with the rest of humanity. I thought CROWDS was fascinating from a thematic viewpoint but unfortunately I found Hajime so utterly unbearable I can't think of it with any affection at all. A lot of people disagree with me on that which is fine but it just shows we're definitely coming at this from different places. As far as the movies go the first two rework the series with some minor additions and the third, Rebellion, is the sequel.
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Ferretts posted:Devil's Game 1.0 is better. 2.0 cut the Madoka/Homura post Wally fight dramatic climax scene. Spoilers or no spoilers, that was the highlight of the video. I agree with your point about that scene, but I still think 2.0 is a better video. It syncs a little better and is overall a cleaner cut. And if anything should make you watch Fate/Zero, its this video. (Does contain spoilers but gives little to no context.)
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AlternateNu posted:2.0 is a better video. It syncs a little better and is overall a cleaner cut. You're right, and it frustrates me in a way that almost perfectly parallels the Madoka rebuilds that are noticeably more polished, but take hits dramatically for it. One obvious example being the end of episode 3 transition into the Magia ED. I'm sure there's a better than baseball analogy to make, but that drove the impact home in a way the movie couldn't pull off. It was a belated an affecting "welcome to the show" and reward for the 3 episode test. Another would be the Sayaka and Homura (Let me help you / You don't care / ...Let me help you die) scene that got cut. I understand why. I'm just bummed that neither is an obvious best among alternatives. AlternateNu posted:And if anything should make you watch Fate/Zero, its this video. (Does contain spoilers but gives little to no context.) Also, I can't let this one slip by unmentioned (Cosmic Love - Florence and the Machine): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ8JRfsurt4 Ferretts fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Aug 12, 2015 |
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Dang, episode 10 is really good. It's almost a shame, because it's so much better than the shows has been up till now, but you still need to have watched the first nine episodes for it to work. I had forgotten that it was possible for Madoka to talk without crying.
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boom boom boom posted:Dang, episode 10 is really good. It's almost a shame, because it's so much better than the shows has been up till now, but you still need to have watched the first nine episodes for it to work. Man, who could have predicted such tragedy. 
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boom boom boom posted:Dang, episode 10 is really good. It's almost a shame, because it's so much better than the shows has been up till now, but you still need to have watched the first nine episodes for it to work. Any issue you have with the show pretty much redeems itself in the last few. Starting with the Sayaka/Kyoko bit.
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boom boom boom posted:Dang, episode 10 is really good. It's almost a shame, because it's so much better than the shows has been up till now, but you still need to have watched the first nine episodes for it to work. poo poo. There's a chart that shows Madoka's expressions from episode to episode, each one successively getting more and more depressing. How do I not have it? Have this instead.  My favorite part of Episode 10 is that it (warning: big word) recontextualizes the series. You can go back and rewatch everything with a massively new perspective.
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being meguka is suffering
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PerrineClostermann posted:poo poo. There's a chart that shows Madoka's expressions from episode to episode, each one successively getting more and more depressing. How do I not have it? Have this instead. In the case of Madoka Meguka
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Namtab posted:being meguka is suffering I love the unrelenting, crushing despair of each successive episode, where you keep wondering how it can get worse. When you know nothing about the show, it's truly a magical thing to behold. Yes. Yes, Sakaya. Become a berserker. Reject every help from the other broken people. Let bunnycat destroy you. Yesssssssssss
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While we're on the subject of Madoka music, my friend sent me this the other day. Sidenote: if we're gonna post videos in the thread, we should link instead of embedding them. Because otherwise it makes the thread lag like a mofo when it's trying to load.
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I watched episode 11. Why would they choose a room that has giant windows all along one wall as their evacuation shelter in case of bad weather?
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in my recollection the central room in which all the people were being held was walled off from the windowed concourse
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epitasis posted:in my recollection the central room in which all the people were being held was walled off from the windowed concourse Nope 
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I finished the show. Good show, I really enjoyed the last quarter. I'll watch the movies at some point in the future. It's a shame Madoka didn't phrase her wish differently. If she had said something like, "I wish to save all the magical girls" maybe they would get to live, instead of just vanishing into nothingess. I also don't get why vision(?)(memory?)(alternate timeline?) Mami told Madoka her wish would mean she would always be fighting witches forever. Was she just mistaken?
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F/Z is very much Typemoon. Pretty much all the characters and their backstories (including Rider and Waver and the latter's crush on the former, in order to appeal to a certain, previously untapped by Typemoon, demographic) were designed by Nasu / Takeuchi and, from a narrative standpoint, it's roughly a backstory of Kiritsugu and Kirei, while thematically it's somewhat an elaboration on one of Heaven's Feel's bad ends, and, while it's more focused and tightly plotted, it doesn't bring all that much to the table compared to its parent, to be honest. F/S/N and F/Z are focused on deeply personal, existential issues, while Madoka, even though it's not exactly lacking in terms of personal drama, mostly deals with the social dimension and broader implications of the issues it explores, even if they, at a glance, only concern an individual.
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boom boom boom posted:Why would they choose a room that has giant windows all along one wall as their evacuation shelter in case of bad weather? This is just Shaft being Shaft. Regardless of the source material they will try to make the backgrounds and settings as opulent and intricate as possible in spite of logistics. I mean have you seen their school?
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