FAUXTON posted:

Except that the license for belligerence and perception of neighborhood free-fire zones where a cop can just gun anyone down and back-in a justification that their victim can't refute due to a case of death are contributing factors to those different social and systemic factors.

tezcat posted:

The problem is officers will always use that excuse and only when caught on camera will they see any kind of justice. See former officers Michael Slager & Ray Tensing.

Bottom line if officers weren't so quick to brandish weapons in an attempt to force compliance then they would be less worried about someone taking their weapon or overtaking them

DrNutt posted:

This is why officers shouldn't bring loving firearms into every goddamn interaction with the public. But I'm quoting Judakel about guns so

Pohl posted:

Guns are the solution to our problems.
Guns are the reason for our problems.

The US is a special flower.

nm posted:

It is like in every state. It generally is manslaughter if you're sober and a couple ofnother things.
It can also be murder in some cases under an implied malice theory which generally only works with duis.

ozmunkeh posted:

Probably more to do with him being new and not yet "one of the guys". You can bet that if he had 10 years to his name he would have been backed to the hilt as is usually the case with these murders.

quote:

At a news conference, Chief Johnson said Officer Miller made bad decisions in communicating with other officers and initially approaching Mr. Taylor on his own without a plan for an arrest. There were other officers at the scene, the chief told reporters, including Officer Miller’s training officer, who tried to use a Taser to subdue Mr. Taylor.

Judakel posted:

I am all for this, so why are you mad?

I am just telling you it is perfectly justified under the previously defined conditions.


As someone who wants to ban guns, I find this interpretation hilarious.

The Insect Court posted:

I always hear this kind of argument from gun nuts, and trying to beat a path through a thicket of circumlocution always ends up reducing it to "America's got scary black people, so it's different". Other countries have urban blight and inner-city gang violence, you are aware of that?

Strangely enough, the objection to comparing America to other countries disappears when it's time to insist that Switzerland's gun ownership laws means guns don't contribute to gun violence.

DrNutt posted:

I apologize, I had you mixed up with LeJackal. Nonetheless, the idea that societal factors in the US justify the cops gunning down unarmed people because of the extremely unlikely scenario that that person is able to get the cops gun from them and kill them with it, is absolutely reprehensible.

Judakel posted:

Aside from our cops wielding guns - which many European countries do not allow - there is also the matter of our history.

Many blacks justifiably hate the police. Many blacks are utterly fed up. Much of the police is taught to have an adversarial relationship with them; starting with outright racist affiliations in the past and continuing with a culture of fear today. We are in a pretty unique situation as far as the relationship between the police and the poor black communities.

Pohl posted:

Even a year ago I don't think this would have happened, so maybe we are making some progress. Once more details come out, the big test will be to see whether or not he is indicted for a criminal offense. Just from what has been released so far it sure sounds like it could be a possibility.

pentyne posted:

Outside of actually saying "He went in there specifically to shoot someone" they can't make it more clear how badly Miller hosed up.

Judakel posted:

Aside from our cops wielding guns - which many European countries do not allow - there is also the matter of our history.

jfood posted:

From slavery to the new cash crop.

I really wonder how much of government revenue, on a local and state level, is funded on the backs of black people through fines.

DrNutt posted:

I apologize, I had you mixed up with LeJackal. Nonetheless, the idea that societal factors in the US justify the cops gunning down unarmed people because of the extremely unlikely scenario that that person is able to get the cops gun from them and kill them with it, is absolutely reprehensible.

PostNouveau posted:

I also haven't seen nearly as much blaming the victim. Maybe I'm just not watching the right channels, but I've seen a lot of talking to his teammates and family and treating it as a tragedy despite that the guy was having some kind of break when he got killed.

jfood posted:

From slavery to the new cash crop.

I really wonder how much of government revenue, on a local and state level, is funded on the backs of black people through fines.

quote:

A Spring woman says she was sexually assaulted by a deputy during a traffic stop earlier this summer.

It happened around 10:30 pm on June 21 near Ella Blvd and Barren Springs Drive, according to Charnesia Corley. The 21-year-old says she was just going to the store to get something for her sick mother when she was pulled over by a Harris County Sheriff's deputy.

"I feel like they sexually assaulted me! I really do. I feel disgusted, downgraded, humiliated," Corley said.

According to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, the deputy pulled Corley over for allegedly running a stop sign. A spokesperson for HCSO says the deputy then asked Corley to step out of her vehicle upon smelling what he believed to be marijuana. Corley was handcuffed and placed in the back of a patrol car. No marijuana, however, was located in a search of her vehicle.

Upon returning to the patrol car, Corley says the deputy told her he smelled it then inside his vehicle. She tells us he called for a female deputy, who then ordered her out again into the parking lot.

"She tells me to pull my pants down. I said, 'Ma'am, I don't have any underwear on.' She says, 'Well, that doesn't matter. Pull your pants down,'" Corley said.

She admits hesitating. Deputies say she resisted.

"I bend over and she proceeds to try to force her hand inside of me. I tell her, 'Ma'am, No. You cannot do this,'" Corley told us candidly.

She insists at no time did she give consent for any such search. She's retained an attorney, Sam Cammack, who argues that a search like this in a public parking lot is a violation of her civil rights.

"It's undeniable that the search is unconstitutional," he said.

Harris County Sheriff's spokesperson Thomas Gilleland said the deputies did everything as they should. Gilleland said the one deputy even wrote in the report that Corley said they could "strip search her if I needed to."

Corley is planning to file a complaint with the Harris County Sheriff's Office's Internal Affairs Division.

She is charged with two misdemeanors: resisting arrest and possession of marijuana. Investigators say they found .02 ounces of marijuana on her.

Dexo posted:

The gently caress?

.02 ounces?

Hahhahaha

My Face When posted:

All right, so I guess I made a lovely post about the thread so I'm going to put up or shut up.

I want to say straight up, I am fully aware of the systematic racism because of the cases on the news. The biggest question to me though is what are the most solid ways that we can fix this?

We have body cameras, which with the Sam DuBose case worked, but still a man is dead. The body cameras have shown to be flawed for accountability.

What about recruiting more intelligent cops? Cops with higher test scores are denied a job more often then those with lower test scores. Why is this? I would much rather have a more observant cop than one that isn't, to be fair.

i learned in a classroom about cops, taught by a cop that there is a lot of grey area. One of the things that I've read in the thread, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that many of the cops train to fear the situation and forgot how to de-escalate. How can the departments retrain an entire precinct? Can they? Is it something that could cost a lot of money locally? If so, is there a way for say, larger cities like NY and LA to ask for funding to retrain the departments.

If this is solely a racist thing, what would be the best way to go about it? Would it be best to fire the more racist cops? How would you know if your cop is racist if he is not spouting epithets all the time? Would you check the man's facebook or would that go against rights?

I think with the whole situation there is gently caress ton of noise and too many holes into fixing the problem. I'm absolutely for the movements against police brutality but the main question is, what is the best way to tackle against police brutality that isn't just putting a band-aid on a quartered stomach.

Dexo posted:

Severely punish Officers who are found to be lying of police reports involving any use of force. Make it so if you are fired from one police department for incompetence or a brutality issue you are blacklisted from being an officer elsewhere.

quote:

Give some actual loving penalties to officers that gently caress up and remove the stigma of an officer reporting another officer for breaking the rules. Real Accountability tends to fix most things

My Face When posted:

What about recruiting more intelligent cops? Cops with higher test scores are denied a job more often then those with lower test scores. Why is this? I would much rather have a more observant cop than one that isn't, to be fair.

Judakel posted:

Aside from our cops wielding guns - which many European countries do not allow - there is also the matter of our history.

Many blacks justifiably hate the police. Many blacks are utterly fed up. Much of the police is taught to have an adversarial relationship with them; starting with outright racist affiliations in the past and continuing with a culture of fear today. We are in a pretty unique situation as far as the relationship between the police and the poor black communities.

FourLeaf posted:

She is charged with two misdemeanors: resisting arrest and possession of marijuana. Investigators say they found .02 ounces of marijuana on her.

My Face When posted:

All right, so I guess I made a lovely post about the thread so I'm going to put up or shut up.

I want to say straight up, I am fully aware of the systematic racism because of the cases on the news. The biggest question to me though is what are the most solid ways that we can fix this?

We have body cameras, which with the Sam DuBose case worked, but still a man is dead. The body cameras have shown to be flawed for accountability.

What about recruiting more intelligent cops? Cops with higher test scores are denied a job more often then those with lower test scores. Why is this? I would much rather have a more observant cop than one that isn't, to be fair.

i learned in a classroom about cops, taught by a cop that there is a lot of grey area. One of the things that I've read in the thread, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that many of the cops train to fear the situation and forgot how to de-escalate. How can the departments retrain an entire precinct? Can they? Is it something that could cost a lot of money locally? If so, is there a way for say, larger cities like NY and LA to ask for funding to retrain the departments.

If this is solely a racist thing, what would be the best way to go about it? Would it be best to fire the more racist cops? How would you know if your cop is racist if he is not spouting epithets all the time? Would you check the man's facebook or would that go against rights?

I think with the whole situation there is gently caress ton of noise and too many holes into fixing the problem. I'm absolutely for the movements against police brutality but the main question is, what is the best way to tackle against police brutality that isn't just putting a band-aid on a quartered stomach.

DrNutt posted:

Honestly the day to day of a beat cop shouldn't be incredibly different regardless, when you recognize that urban police work doesn't actually resemble the opening scene to Predator 2.

Dead Reckoning posted:

Welp, looks like Tyrone Harris' family's contention that he was unarmed and running away wasn't accurate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzinr9VUP2A

serious gaylord posted:

Thats fairly clear cut.

jfood posted:

From slavery to the new cash crop.

I really wonder how much of government revenue, on a local and state level, is funded on the backs of black people through fines.

FourLeaf posted:

blarzgh posted:

Wait, cop finds reasonable suspicion of criminal activity, performs lawful search pursuant to protocol, discovers criminal activity?

blarzgh posted:

Wait, cop finds reasonable suspicion of criminal activity, performs lawful search pursuant to protocol, discovers criminal activity?

blarzgh posted:

Wait, cop finds reasonable suspicion of criminal activity, performs lawful search pursuant to protocol, discovers criminal activity?

blarzgh posted:

The counter-argument:

So, as long as my crack pipe fits in my butthole I can never get arrested?

One weird trick!