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Mulva posted:So here's a question a friend brought up when I shared this article with him. Does this kind of navel gazing happen every time a new industry suddenly;y gains so much power and wealth in such a short amount of time or is it the 'tism? Are there journals out there where the great railroad barons of the 19th century devoted pages to how railroads were going to save the world from some type of railroad based AI? rail transport legitimately did change people's lifestyles in a lot of ways, especially in the us where so much of the country isn't close to an ocean or major river it doesn't really allow the same philosophical leaps as ai and robotics, though. basically anything is possible if you assume that it is possible to invent an ai that is a) smarter than humans in every measurable way, and b) is capable of building even smarter ais which are capable of building even smarter ais etc with no practical limit ever. the trick being that those are stupid assumptions a lot of the time, though, it's rarely the already-successful people writing these crazy articles, which are often a case of "follow the money". for example, the person who wrote the article about how "modern" art is the founder and ceo of a patreon clone, it's to her direct financial advantage to tell furry porn creators and people who make videogame music videos that they're making real art and that anyone who disagrees just doesn't get the new era of artistry. in that, as well as her other articles, she's trying to convince them that they're true artists who should openly sell their work (on her website) and that those old-fashioned art galleries who refused to show their masterpiece portrait of master chief sucking off sonic the hedgehog were just too obsolete to understand their brilliance
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Triglav posted:how are chaebol and zaibatsu any different from megacorp or conglomerate chaebol and zaibatsu are derived from the same chinese characters. they're marked by extreme vertical integration. when a chaebol makes a car, they own the car factory, and the tire factory, and the steel plant, and the ore mine, and the mining equipment firm, and the bank that lent money for the mine in the first place. megacorp is just mega- and -corp joined together, idk if it means anything conglomerate is the exact opposite of vertical integration. a conglomerate is a firm marked by involvement in lots of totally unrelated businesses, hardly integrated at all. these are usually built by using the parent's low borrowing costs to buy lots and lots of corporate children. the signature conglomerate in the u.s. was ITT: at one point it was simultaneously a major tv network, a major hotel chain, a major food supply corporation, the single largest rental car company, and a major manufacturer of telephone equipment. none of these businesses were related. they were all bought with the proceeds from the original telephone equipment business
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Main Paineframe posted:rail transport legitimately did change people's lifestyles in a lot of ways, especially in the us where so much of the country isn't close to an ocean or major river i think a good comparison would be the fluffy bullshit which popped up around anything atomic in the 50s. electricity too cheap to meter, aircraft or cars you never needed to refuel, and that sort of thing.
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Shifty Pony posted:i think a good comparison would be the fluffy bullshit which popped up around anything atomic in the 50s. electricity too cheap to meter, aircraft or cars you never needed to refuel, and that sort of thing. or like i said, the space race decades of science fiction that continue to be produced to this day
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computer parts posted:or like i said, the space race except sf has "fiction" in the name not many people took "the high frontier" seriously
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the signature conglomerate in the u.s. was ITT: at one point it was simultaneously a major tv network, a major hotel chain, a major food supply corporation, the single largest rental car company, and a major manufacturer of telephone equipment. none of these businesses were related. they were all bought with the proceeds from the original telephone equipment business is there a measure for that kind of diversity? tata probably stacks up well agains that. luxury hotels, ore mining, car manufacture, high-end watches, etc
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:when a chaebol makes a car, they own the car factory, and the tire factory, and the steel plant, and the ore mine, and the mining equipment firm, and the bank that lent money for the mine in the first place. sound like communism
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Muscle Tracer posted:not many people took "the high frontier" seriously You're wrong.
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Shifty Pony posted:i think a good comparison would be the fluffy bullshit which popped up around anything atomic in the 50s. electricity too cheap to meter, aircraft or cars you never needed to refuel, and that sort of thing. computer parts posted:or like i said, the space race i think its more around the cultural changes that surrounded those things back in the railroad era, powered machines were so new most people didn't even own them, boats were basically still armored steam-powered sailboats, telegraphs were still a thing, and everyone who wasn't rich lived in utter poverty and misery in the 50s and 60s every white person had electricity and a phone and a fridge and a tv and a car, all sorts of amazing technologies were being pioneered, whatever cold war technology got rejected by the military last week was going to revolutionize consumerism this week, we were going to come up with all sorts of unprecedented technologies to beat the russkies, and dumb utopianists had to find a new outlet for their dreams of social change now that the country was no longer pretending to tolerate communists and fascists and anarchists and other fringe movements
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JawnV6 posted:is there a measure for that kind of diversity? tata probably stacks up well agains that. luxury hotels, ore mining, car manufacture, high-end watches, etc tata has historically been closer to the chaebol end of the spectrum: mining, steel, automotive, construction all integrate pretty nicely i have no explanation for the information services / luxury hotel stuff
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pretty much any industry dominated by rich white men considers itself a "meritocracy" and "a new paradigm" funnily enough, industries dominated by minorities like sports leagues are not considered meritocracies while team owners, also almost exclusively white men, are
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sarnsung also makes cars, and fashionable clothing at armani sorts of price levels, and life insurance, construction, and they have a bank and offer credit cards, operate theme parks and hotels, and probably more stuff. they're not just vertically integrated
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fart simpson posted:sarnsung also makes cars, and fashionable clothing at armani sorts of price levels, and life insurance, construction, and they have a bank and offer credit cards, operate theme parks and hotels, and probably more stuff. they're not just vertically integrated Aren't they the Google of Korea wrt aspiring young nerd professionals
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fart simpson posted:sarnsung also makes cars, and fashionable clothing at armani sorts of price levels, and life insurance, construction, and they have a bank and offer credit cards, operate theme parks and hotels, and probably more stuff. they're not just vertically integrated life insurance, banking, cars, real estate were all vertical integrations once upon a time no explanation at all for fashionable clothing
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Analytic Engine posted:Aren't they the Google of Korea wrt aspiring young nerd professionals i dont know
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one of my ex coworkers who lived in korea for 8 years owned a suit made by a sarnsung clothing brand
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:life insurance, banking, cars, real estate were all vertical integrations once upon a time they made/make sewing machines and clothes are a vertical on those I guess
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Autism/Asperger’s the New ‘Cool’? A post on Hacker News about an autistic Wikipedia editor, Guillaume Paumier, went viral, generating thousands of page views for Paumier’s site and heaps of laudatory approbation for Paumier and the autistic community at large. This agrees with my earlier post about the rise of the Omega male, and how Omegas – not Alphas – are the leaders of the pack in post-2008 America. In the post-2008 era, social awkwardness, a defining characteristic of Asperger syndrome, is the new ‘cool’, in contrast to being all style and no substance, since awkwardness conveys authenticity and competence. It seems people with the ‘good’ social skills are putting those skills to use at Starbucks, for example, asking techies in line what toppings they want on their coffee, while those who are better at reading code and equations than reading faces are making all of the money in today’s economy. In what could be called the the tyranny of the bookish, today’s cognitive elite, like the 21st century equivalent of kings and barons, are being waited on by the ‘servants’ in the low-paid, but very competitive service sector. Cognitive capital, more than ever, has precedence over social capital, and this is exemplified by the meritocracy that is the tech culture of Silicon Valley, where anyone with a good idea can become instantly immensely rich and successful through hard work and raw intellect instead of family connections. Servility is ‘out’ and candidness is ‘in’, the willingness to confront and espouse biological and economic reality with ‘Spock-like’ logic without worrying about hurting people’s feelings. Right now there is a demand for bloggers on the alt-right to spread the truth, as people are seeking explanations – even if such explanations are not politically correct – for why the economy has changed so much and why so many people seem to be permanently falling behind in an other wise strong economy, as well as possible solutions. The left says the government isn’t doing enough to help the disadvantaged, yet the left has been waging a war on poverty since the 60′s and entitlement spending is at record highs, so maybe biology, not social factors, is the last stone to be upturned, the final taboo. Liberals would prefer we not talk about biology as it pertains to socioeconomic outcomes. Guillaume Paumier has gotten more recognition and praise being autistic than the vast majority of neurotypical people. But of course, there are vastly more neurotypical people, but as a matter of percentages, autistic-spectrum people are kinda like the new Ashkenazim of society: a minority, but a very successful, smart, and prominent one. As much as they avoid social interactions, the rest of society and the media apparently can’t get enough, whether it’s extremely successful shows like The Big Bang Theory that feature autism-spectrum protagonists, the rise of nerd culture among millennials, or the the latest scientific discovery that spreads through the media like wildfire, evoking awe and wonder.
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"Main Paineframe" posted:the meritocracy that is the tech culture of Silicon Valley, where anyone with a good idea can become instantly immensely rich and successful through hard work and raw intellect instead of family connections. Yo!
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Main Paineframe posted:Autism/Asperger’s the New ‘Cool’? aggggggggggg especially the racism in the second to last paragraph no wait this: quote:the meritocracy that is the tech culture of Silicon Valley, where anyone with a good idea can become instantly immensely rich and successful through hard work and raw intellect instead of family connections.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:life insurance, banking, cars, real estate were all vertical integrations once upon a time the other thing is that a Sarnsung zaibatsu would fully own Sarnsung Electronics and Sarnsung Mining and Sarnsung Fabrication and Sarnsung Life Insurance and Sarnsung Bank and Sarnsung Motors and Sarnsung Real Estate while a chaebol purchases small stakes in everything and the CEO just tells everyone what to do anyway despite the parent having a tiny share in the actual child entity which isn't technically legal but :corea: and if you're employed by samsung you better own a samsung car and a samsung phone and a samsung house and samsung life insurance or you're a traitor
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Luigi Thirty posted:and if you're employed by samsung you better own a samsung car and a samsung phone and a samsung house and samsung life insurance or you're a traitor if you're employed by samsung in the glorious homeland, it would never even occur to you that you might prefer to own something else. except maybe the car. because lol samsung renault
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wtf is a "post-2008 era"?
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FCKGW posted:wtf is a "post-2008 era"? post crash // recession times
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omg that loving article. a person wrote that. Jesus Christ.
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TMZ posted:especially the racism in the second to last paragraph you'll find there's racism in the last paragraph as well 
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Maluco Marinero posted:omg that loving article. a person wrote that. Jesus Christ. the retardation was inside the author all along
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"It certainly had its heyday when they had their largest user base."
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FCKGW posted:stumbleupon lol
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Analytic Engine posted:Aren't they the Google of Korea wrt aspiring young nerd professionals More like the wall St of Korea wrt to it being seen as the most prestigious jobs to get (on their fast track/management whatever) for which you're going to have to have gone to a top university, done the right internships, passed a gently caress load of sarnsungs own exams - often compleatly unrelated to what you would actually be doing at the company - and have the right connections, which since we're in glorious Korea can extend down to which high school you went to, the army unit you serveds in and the province your parents are from. And lol at all of that if you're a woman cos even if you get in you'll expected to be married off to a senior exec by the time your in your 30. And even if you do all that you'll never quite ready h the pinicale of the company because those spots are reserved for the princelings of the sarnsung clan.
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the more i read about samsung the more i get the feeling that north korea is less a horribly gone wrong situation and more just what happens when you give koreans absolute power see also the history of the south korean government
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rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:lol, nope
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JawnV6 posted:Yo! lol THIS IS WHAT 'TREPS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
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i think i already know the answer to this, but doesn't uber saying that they would buy every car tesla made if they made self driving cars go against the whole "we're not a transportation company, we're a technology/app company" narrative?
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when it's come to shamelessly switching narratives to suit ones own needs, Uber takes the cake. to be honest, it's kinda scary to think that if they get to self driving cars before they're put out of business, there's no telling how much of a monopoly they'll become. edit: or it could be a massive gently caress up that murders them once they actually have to take responsibility for all the externalities they've been avoiding...
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EMILY BLUNTS posted:"It certainly had its heyday when they had their largest user base." i'm glad somebody else noticed that line too
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oh it was a quote nonetheless i stand by my statement
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