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babies havin rabies
Feb 24, 2006

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

I haven't had a virus in 5+ years, even recklessly downloading all the porn in sight. Adblock+noscript+MS Security Essentials/Windows Defender is plenty.

Also, a lot of those surveys showing MS as having a lower detection rate don't normalize for the insane number of false positives most commercial antivirus gives you. They're just showing you the raw hitrates, regardless of accuracy. MS's antivirus gives very few false positives and doesn't miss that much. Since it's integrated into the OS, it also tends to have a lot less overhead and cause a lot fewer issues, whereas, say, Avast! constantly has issues like flagging OS updates as viruses or quarantining files that are parts of games you install and the like.

The best antivirus is browsing safely, disabling all scripts and ads when you're going to browse somewhere unsafe, and always scanning email attachments before opening. If you're extra-paranoid, do your browsing in a VM. Commercial antivirus is by-and-large a placebo.

Personally, I don't use one (meaning I just use MSE), and yeah good browsing habits and common sense means I haven't had a detectible infection since I can remember, probably 5 years at least. I've really only supported environments running on MSE and Symantec, and the Symantec environments tended to have far less workstation catastrophes (although certainly no shortage of them). That's anecdotal, of course.

Professionally speaking my reaction to any sort of infection is to nuke the workstation and start over. It's the safest option, plus I can re-image a workstation in less time than it takes to bother with scanning anything.

Do I think I or my close friends need an antivirus? Hell no. Do my older family members need something a bit more thorough than MSE? Probably, but I know it's not going to keep the inevitable from happening.

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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
So, Cecil the Lion was actually killed by environmentalists to make people upset about the poaching of animals. The poor rich dentist is just a patsy. FALSE FLAG!!!

I doubt this is surprising to anyone
http://freakoutnation.com/2015/08/two-men-open-fire-on-soldiers-at-jade-helm-training-site-in-mississippi/

twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Aug 5, 2015

Siselmo
Jun 16, 2013

hey there
So, I think I need help. Last month I went to Colima for vacation and visiting family. There's a really big problem with dengue and the recently detected chikungunya. While I was there, I saw an alarming number of people who believe the latter is a hoax/government control/Big Pharma thing, including my family (this includes a cousin who recently shared an "article" about how chemotherapy makes cancer worse and that it could be cured with turmeric).

Zipperelli.
Apr 3, 2011



Nap Ghost

Siselmo posted:

So, I think I need help. Last month I went to Colima for vacation and visiting family. There's a really big problem with dengue and the recently detected chikungunya. While I was there, I saw an alarming number of people who believe the latter is a hoax/government control/Big Pharma thing, including my family (this includes a cousin who recently shared an "article" about how chemotherapy makes cancer worse and that it could be cured with turmeric).

Sever.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Siselmo posted:

So, I think I need help. Last month I went to Colima for vacation and visiting family. There's a really big problem with dengue and the recently detected chikungunya. While I was there, I saw an alarming number of people who believe the latter is a hoax/government control/Big Pharma thing, including my family (this includes a cousin who recently shared an "article" about how chemotherapy makes cancer worse and that it could be cured with turmeric).

On the plus side, maybe it's a problem that will solve itself?

:negative:

vez veces
Dec 15, 2006

The engineer blew the whistle,
and the fireman rung the bell.
If you stumble across the magic words to summon their brains back to reality, please share with the thread. :smith:

Talmonis
Jun 24, 2012
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.
An enterprising conspiracy theorist in my area has been putting stickers on stopsigns with "Look up!" STOP "Spraying us!"

I'm assuming it's a chemtrails nutter. Any ideas why they choose now to start a sticker campaign?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Dropped by health insurer/drug mix not covered by generics yet.

Carsius
May 7, 2013

Talmonis posted:

An enterprising conspiracy theorist in my area has been putting stickers on stopsigns with "Look up!" STOP "Spraying us!"

I'm assuming it's a chemtrails nutter. Any ideas why they choose now to start a sticker campaign?

(S)he was recently enlightened on the truth of contrails chemtrails.

Gotta have new converts for any movement to survive.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
http://www.vice.com/read/the-berensteain-bears-conspiracy-theory-that-has-convinced-the-internet-there-are-parallel-universes

My childhood :cry:

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

I don't know that this is strictly thread relevant, but with the death of the attention economy thread, this is the best place I can find for it, and it's too dopey not to post somewhere:

quote:

You can download MetaMath a proof checker, and it’s database set.mm, and it’s book for free. If you read the book, and reimplement say the python version (like 300 lines or so) in a different language (to make sure you understood every step in the algorithm) and verify the database, then you can know with certainty that each of the 18000 theorems with proofs follow from the axioms, without even understanding what the theorems say. This is what I mean with indirect understanding.

Define a belief system to be a set of axioms, then using proof checkers one can verify proofs. As soon as *anyone* finds a contradiction, “true=false” is proven in this belief system, and *every* statement in the belief system is both true and false and hence useless. The only mitigation is switching to a different belief system, or dropping one of the conflicting axioms (and all theorems that rest upon it). So dropping an axiom is also a change of belief system…

After “publish or perish” for Open Source, we will have “formalize or fossilize” for Open Understanding.

Since machine verification requires the proofs to be in a machine readable format, educational software could be built to train and maintain ready knowledge of axioms, theorems, proofs, belief systems… (so that the user can transform indirect understanding to direct understanding)

So when choosing what to universally teach to children as a minimum (like alphabetism) refrain from domain specific knowledge, but definitely teach everything required to understand proof checkers, belief systems, … so that they know how to gather human knowledge into a coherent belief system, and can verify proofs of claims they do not belief in an automated way, so they know when to stop being stubborn.

One can not prove cryptographic primitives to be unbroken, one can only claim as an axiom that no algorithm to break it with high probability with tractable scaling of requisite resources is publically known yet.

This even changes the concept of democracy, if humanity maintained a belief system, only one person needs to find an inconsistency and the rest is forced to resolve the problem. We could vote things like “use known set of rules A (with known provable properties) until someone finds a set of rules B (with stronger desirable requested properties)”…

Source: one of the comments here http://hackaday.com/2015/08/10/defcon-vs-iot-on-hackability-and-security/

To my shame, I was unable to resist touching the poop.

A Fancy 400 lbs
Jul 24, 2008

Talmonis posted:

An enterprising conspiracy theorist in my area has been putting stickers on stopsigns with "Look up!" STOP "Spraying us!"

I'm assuming it's a chemtrails nutter. Any ideas why they choose now to start a sticker campaign?

Around now is when a lot of farm fields are crop dusted.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
Someone by me just sprayed Batman logos on the Neighborhood watch signs. No Chemtard stuff.

A friend of mine who has been bartending at a strip club posted the contents of a real :tinfoil: guy's usb stick he's been hanging out to all the girls.

http://i.imgur.com/nES1jUR.jpg

I particularly like "Obama's face freeze, Antichrist spirit confirmed!" and the random Marilyn Manson songs.

twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Aug 12, 2015

Moose-Alini
Sep 11, 2001

Not always so

That's the beauty of it! It doesn't DO anything!

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Blue Footed Booby posted:

I don't know that this is strictly thread relevant, but with the death of the attention economy thread, this is the best place I can find for it, and it's too dopey not to post somewhere:


Source: one of the comments here http://hackaday.com/2015/08/10/defcon-vs-iot-on-hackability-and-security/

To my shame, I was unable to resist touching the poop.

:mitt: :psylon:

Jazerus fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Aug 12, 2015

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Someone pointed this out to me the other day and completely broke my mind. I vividly remember playing some Living Books (remember those?) as a kid and the narrator saying "Bearen-steen".

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I've actually had chikungunya, and gently caress anyone who doesn't take it seriously.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

Someone pointed this out to me the other day and completely broke my mind. I vividly remember playing some Living Books (remember those?) as a kid and the narrator saying "Bearen-steen".

Yeah, it was pronounced like "steen," but it was definitely always "stain." I remember asking a teacher about it when I was a kid. Or do I? How can I be sure that memory hasn't been implanted?

The answer here is that human memory is highly fallible and kids are stupid.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

gradenko_2000 posted:

I've actually had chikungunya, and gently caress anyone who doesn't take it seriously.

give it a more badass name then :v:


LeftistMuslimObama posted:

Someone pointed this out to me the other day and completely broke my mind. I vividly remember playing some Living Books (remember those?) as a kid and the narrator saying "Bearen-steen".

Bärenstein, in proper germanic pronounciation ~~~

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I literally haven't thought about those books in at least 30 years, so yea, I can chalk it up to just faulty memories. I noticed its very common for nerds to make up extremely complex memories of things that probably didn't happen, and then writing elaborate nostalgia pieces about it.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!
A friend of mine posted the Berenstain bear thing and wanted my opinion on it (I'm a memory researcher), so here was my response since it's relevant:

quote:

Roedigger is right you know.

It's just a queerly spelled name that has many close analogues causing confusion. When we can't remember something completely, we fill in the gaps. We have lots of memories of 'steins'. Frankenstein, Ben Stein, a beer stein... So it's not really a full blown false memory so much as a false inference filling in a gap in memory.

One of my favourite bits on false memories is showing someone a video of a car crash and asking them about the details afterward. If you ask "how fast were the cars going when they smashed?", they're more likely to report a higher speed and details like smashed windows than if you ask, "how fast were the cars going when they collided?'

Scary thing is this happens with all your memories. Every time you remember something, you 'fill in' missing information, and even worse is these false details are likely to be encoded, reconsolodated, and remembered when the memory is triggered in the future. Every time you remember something, that memory becomes vulnerable to modification, before it's put back into storage. You can actually delete memories this way, and this method has been used with some success to treat PTSD in some animal models and even human trials. Trigger a memory, administer a substance known for disrupting memory, break the memory.

PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Aug 13, 2015

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

twistedmentat posted:

I literally haven't thought about those books in at least 30 years, so yea, I can chalk it up to just faulty memories. I noticed its very common for nerds to make up extremely complex memories of things that probably didn't happen, and then writing elaborate nostalgia pieces about it.

Gotta get those clicks.

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?
I think the reason it's mildly noteworthy is the fact that so many have had the false memory. It's not that that makes the claims of some reddit users true (I imagine the "theory"is mostly people trying to be funny) but it's worth commenting on. Everyone I discussed it with yesterday was amused and amazed that they've had it wrong all these years.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

twistedmentat posted:

I particularly like "Obama's face freeze, Antichrist spirit confirmed!" and the random Marilyn Manson songs.

One of my favorite crazy conspiracy/paranormal things is crowd demons, where loons take low-res pictures and find faces that the low resolution (and often jpg compression artifacts) have rendered poorly and proclaim them to show that some of the people in the picture are monsters in human skin.

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


I definitely remember correcting people's misspellings of "Berenstain" :shrug:

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

GutBomb posted:

I think the reason it's mildly noteworthy is the fact that so many have had the false memory. It's not that that makes the claims of some reddit users true (I imagine the "theory"is mostly people trying to be funny) but it's worth commenting on. Everyone I discussed it with yesterday was amused and amazed that they've had it wrong all these years.

In that case it's not unusual because we're used to seeing the other spelling and the two names sound the same and when you're a kid you don't usually fixate on details like that and were maybe even more focused on reading the books out loud or having them read to you. It's a thing likely to be misremembered that way.

It's like the other big thing on that Mandela Effect site: they remember Jif peanut butter as Jiffy peanut butter, and I can think of four possible reasons. Jiffy is an actual word that might get compounded with another word that sounds like it that is only used to sell peanut butter. There is another brand of peanut butter called Skippy that has the same syllables and y-ending. There very well could have been advertizing for Jif that played on the similarity between "Jif" and "jiffy" as similar words. The last time you gave any serious thought to peanut butter you were probably a child.

The real question is why I thought for years that it was spelled Jiff with two Fs.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

GutBomb posted:

I think the reason it's mildly noteworthy is the fact that so many have had the false memory. It's not that that makes the claims of some reddit users true (I imagine the "theory"is mostly people trying to be funny) but it's worth commenting on. Everyone I discussed it with yesterday was amused and amazed that they've had it wrong all these years.

They generally only have it because someone else mentions the "theory" and otherwise they wouldn't have even thought of the name for years and years.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


Pope Guilty posted:

One of my favorite crazy conspiracy/paranormal things is crowd demons, where loons take low-res pictures and find faces that the low resolution (and often jpg compression artifacts) have rendered poorly and proclaim them to show that some of the people in the picture are monsters in human skin.

My cousin is turning into one of these. I think that 4-Loko damaged his judgement.

But it also gave us the best power in Demon: the Descent, so...

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

ErichZahn posted:

My cousin is turning into one of these. I think that 4-Loko damaged his judgement.

But it also gave us the best power in Demon: the Descent, so...

nDemon loving rules, so.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

In that case it's not unusual because we're used to seeing the other spelling and the two names sound the same and when you're a kid you don't usually fixate on details like that and were maybe even more focused on reading the books out loud or having them read to you. It's a thing likely to be misremembered that way.

It's like the other big thing on that Mandela Effect site: they remember Jif peanut butter as Jiffy peanut butter, and I can think of four possible reasons. Jiffy is an actual word that might get compounded with another word that sounds like it that is only used to sell peanut butter. There is another brand of peanut butter called Skippy that has the same syllables and y-ending. There very well could have been advertizing for Jif that played on the similarity between "Jif" and "jiffy" as similar words. The last time you gave any serious thought to peanut butter you were probably a child.

The real question is why I thought for years that it was spelled Jiff with two Fs.

I thought it was Jiffy too. :tinfoil:

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
Pretty sure "jiffy" peanut butter has been a brand used in some TV show or another so that they didn't use an actual brand.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Haha real funny guys, but we all know that the real reason that people misremember Jif as Jiffy is because the alternate dimensions are merging as the apocalypse nears

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Pope Guilty posted:

One of my favorite crazy conspiracy/paranormal things is crowd demons, where loons take low-res pictures and find faces that the low resolution (and often jpg compression artifacts) have rendered poorly and proclaim them to show that some of the people in the picture are monsters in human skin.

Yea, I love those two. There's also the whole "Person on TV clearly turning into a lizard!!!!" set of videos that are literally just studio light reflections on the eyes, or odd shadows or whatnot.

Like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUYsBqRx1lM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFrJelXZoBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmIkmrCta1g

grainy videos recorded off tv, yep, totally evidence!

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Jack Gladney posted:

In that case it's not unusual because we're used to seeing the other spelling and the two names sound the same and when you're a kid you don't usually fixate on details like that and were maybe even more focused on reading the books out loud or having them read to you. It's a thing likely to be misremembered that way.

It's like the other big thing on that Mandela Effect site: they remember Jif peanut butter as Jiffy peanut butter, and I can think of four possible reasons. Jiffy is an actual word that might get compounded with another word that sounds like it that is only used to sell peanut butter. There is another brand of peanut butter called Skippy that has the same syllables and y-ending. There very well could have been advertizing for Jif that played on the similarity between "Jif" and "jiffy" as similar words. The last time you gave any serious thought to peanut butter you were probably a child.

The real question is why I thought for years that it was spelled Jiff with two Fs.

See, I know that one because their slogan is "Choosy moms choose Jif". The Bearenstain one is way more insidious.

MrUnderbridge
Jun 25, 2011

I definitely remember it being with an "A", because as a wee goonlet I thought it was Stan and Jan Berenstan - all their names rhymed. Must have missed the "i" in there.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

MrUnderbridge posted:

I definitely remember it being with an "A", because as a wee goonlet I thought it was Stan and Jan Berenstan - all their names rhymed. Must have missed the "i" in there.

That just means you came from a 'A' universe, dummy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1G1pts7nMg

Premeditated Toast
Apr 24, 2008

Same as it ever was.
Somebody threw that White-Gold/Black-Blue quantum dress into the Hadron Collider and now we're stuck in the weird Berenstain Universe where Trump is a political candidate and Robin Williams killed himself. Meh.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


QuarkJets posted:

Haha real funny guys, but we all know that the real reason that people misremember Jif as Jiffy is because the alternate dimensions are merging as the apocalypse nears

I now know exactly how I'd lean if I ever became a Narrativist. poo poo.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
But the guy who invented GIF files did intend it to be a pun on "in a jiffy" and hence his preferred pronunciation, while we're at it.

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ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Nintendo Kid posted:

But the guy who invented GIF files did intend it to be a pun on "in a jiffy" and hence his preferred pronunciation, while we're at it.

You mean giffy files? .gif is a mass delusion bro. It's always been .giffy

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