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Goku: Murders a peace-loving ginger, spares Space Hitler.
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Stairmaster posted:Toryiama said in an interview a few years back 16 was modeled after Gero's son who was killed by Goku.
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Aug 13, 2015 04:40
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:
To be fair, that was gainful employment! Do you know how hard it is for a mad scientist to get a job in this economy'!?
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Aug 13, 2015 04:43
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ImpAtom posted:Goku: Murders a peace-loving ginger, spares Space Hitler. Though a lot of that movie feels like it was ghostwritten by the DBZ Abridged folks.
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Aug 13, 2015 04:45
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FilthyImp posted:I kind of enjoyed how RoF kicked Goku upside the head with his stupid I'm Such a loving Nice Guy poo poo that drags out so many fights. Well really DBZA's writers probably understand Toriyama's style better than almost anyone(Oda and the guy who currently does the Manga tie-ins are probably their only real competition in that area) Also this talk about Cell makes me imagine an AU where Bulma accompanies Trunks and Krillen back to Gero's lab to find the Android plans and the premature Cell and she gets the bright idea to reprogram the computer raising Cell so he won't be pumped full of Gero's Directives and Ideologies, and replacing them with information that'll hopefully not lead to a psychopathic monster(getting Trunks and Krillen to go along with this idea by pointing out that by the time this Cell hatches, even if it still turns out to be a monster, it'd be outmatched heavily by Goku and the others), cut to sometime between the end of ROF and when GT happens(date wise that is) this Cell hatches with an odd desire to protect the Earth and it's people...
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Aug 13, 2015 05:07
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Freeza, Radditz, Cell in that order. Freeza's cells and Gero's programming account for at least part of Cell's evil, mitigating him. Piccolo showed care for his family, so while still pretty evil he had some kind of compassion inside him. Plus the whole Piccolo Day/being a decent person is illegal thing was too ridiculous to take seriously.
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Aug 13, 2015 05:09
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Commander Red is the evilest imo. What a stupid reason to start a war.
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Aug 13, 2015 05:12
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The most evil is Kururin, he stole Goku's rock.
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Aug 13, 2015 05:36
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Didn't Vegeta do all the stuff Cell wanted to do and he's a good guy anyway? Genocide and destroying planets and trying to blow up the Earth specifically and all of that stuff I could buy Cell being redeemed somehow, they won't ever do it but, if Vegeta can make the change in sure he could too He'd still be a dick though
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Aug 13, 2015 05:40
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Ammat The Ankh posted:The most evil is Kururin, he stole Goku's rock. And, years after being found out, threw a rock at Goku's head. Vindictive little prick.
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Aug 13, 2015 05:43
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janemba is evil
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Aug 13, 2015 05:46
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evil buu is pretty evil too
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Aug 13, 2015 05:47
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I still say Tien was the most hilariously dickish and sadistic before he became a good guy.
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Aug 13, 2015 06:06
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Stairmaster posted:Toryiama said in an interview a few years back 16 was modeled after Gero's son who was killed by Goku. Wasn't actually killed by Goku, was killed by an enemy bullet
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Aug 13, 2015 06:08
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Ekusukariba posted:Wasn't actually killed by Goku, was killed by an enemy bullet It's more interesting if the son was a random solider that Goku killed though.
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Aug 13, 2015 06:10
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dr.acula posted:janemba is evil Janemba is a janitor who bumped into the Eldritch Dryer while listening to heavy metal music.
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Aug 13, 2015 06:12
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Kelp Plankton posted:Didn't Vegeta do all the stuff Cell wanted to do and he's a good guy anyway? Genocide and destroying planets and trying to blow up the Earth specifically and all of that stuff Vegeta did those things as the means to an end. Cell wanted to do them as an end.
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Aug 13, 2015 06:21
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I feel like Cell would have done what Super Buu did in the anime after he thought he'd won. gently caress around, randomly blow poo poo up, and eat
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Aug 13, 2015 06:22
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Vegeta. Nappa and Raditz were raised in a system where killing was part of their culture If cell can't be blamed for his programming then neither can they.
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Aug 13, 2015 07:33
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All DBZ Villains are evil until they decide to join the Z-Fighters.
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Aug 13, 2015 07:35
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Piccolo killed Goku and then kidnapped a child for a year and everyone was cool with it
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Aug 13, 2015 07:37
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Kelp Plankton posted:Piccolo killed Goku and then kidnapped a child for a year and everyone was cool with it Well it's not like any of them could've stopped him. Goku was the only one and he was dead
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Aug 13, 2015 07:50
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Kelp Plankton posted:Piccolo killed Goku and then kidnapped a child for a year and everyone was cool with it And that child grew up to be a nerd. Piccolo really is evil.
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Aug 13, 2015 07:52
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Covok posted:All DBZ Villains are evil until they decide to join the Z-Fighters. now I'm imagining a world where every time a villain gets killed they reincarnate as a good guy like Kid Buu becoming Uub, because Goku wants to fight them again(let's assume this applies to every villain that stayed dead for at least a year to accommodate for Vegeta dying both on Namek and against Buu)
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Aug 13, 2015 07:55
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I honestly think if Goku hadn't sent up Gohan to fight cell would have given them a pass since it's not like he'd have any reason to expect anyone else in the universe to give out as good a fight. Sure he has frieza's sadism but he also has thrice as much battle-lust from Goku, Vegeta, and Nappa(if you accept that part of the anime as canon).
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Aug 13, 2015 08:04
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Neo_Crimson posted:I feel like Cell would have done what Super Buu did in the anime after he thought he'd won. gently caress around, randomly blow poo poo up, and eat Cell decides to drive cars with his Cell Jr.s. Not because he needs to drive cars. But because he decides regular pedestrians are worth 10 points, the elderly 20, and children 50.
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Aug 13, 2015 08:09
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Cell would just re-enact Just-cause using namekian stretchy arms as a grappling hook and crash planes into buildings.
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Aug 13, 2015 08:13
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Wasn't the only evil thing Piccolo Jr actually do anime filler? He tried to kill everyone at the tournament but everyone except Goku wanted him dead for just being born. He kills Goku but Goku told him to and he didn't kidnap Gohan just to be a dick either.
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Aug 13, 2015 08:40
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Guyver posted:Wasn't the only evil thing Piccolo Jr actually do anime filler? He tried to kill everyone at the tournament but everyone except Goku wanted him dead for just being born. He kills Goku but Goku told him to and he didn't kidnap Gohan just to be a dick either. That reminds me: In the anime, there's a bit before the tournament where Jr. saves a child from being crushed under some rubble during a storm. Is this filler?
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Aug 13, 2015 08:42
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Yeah. The manga basically shows him out of the egg swearing revenge then you don't see him again until the tournament.
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Aug 13, 2015 08:49
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:
Well, he wasn't going to live to see it (you can't blame him for not taking in account TIME MACHINES) so he probably didn't give a rat's rear end. TheLovablePlutonis posted:
Nobody knew that was going to be Red's wish, actually, see Black's reaction.
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Aug 13, 2015 09:18
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facebook jihad posted:Freeza's cells and Gero's programming account for at least part of Cell's evil, mitigating him. Well in that case, Freeza's upbringing by his evil space emperor father mitigates him. Just because Cell was "programmed" to be evil, does not mean he is not actually evil deep down. He was created to be evil and never shows any remorse for his blatantly evil actions. Of course he is evil!
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Aug 13, 2015 13:49
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But what if Cell hit his head as a baby and became good like Goku?
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Aug 13, 2015 14:03
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Raxivace posted:But what if Cell hit his head as a baby and became good like Goku? Then he does good things and thus is good.
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Aug 13, 2015 14:17
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Cell can't be redeemed because he'd just outpower all of the main heroes because he can do whatever they can do with other stuff on top. He has to stay dead for the sake of Goku and Vegeta.
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Aug 13, 2015 14:40
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:
Ehhhhhh... Some of those are mitigated by circumstances. He created a bunch of artificial humans that all sucked until he finally got it right with 19. Since 19 worked, he made himself into 20. He followed Goku around for like 10 years, tried to account for his bullshit powerups and didn't realize that he got a new even more bullshit powerup when off-planet (this is kind of the dumb part - that he didn't notice what was going on when Goku/Freeza were actually on earth after that). He still probably made himself and 19 powerful enough as it were, but didn't account on bullshit time travel warning everyone about this so they could get even more powerful. Then, after all that bullshit happens, he lets out his more powerful, flawed creations as a last ditch effort since those more powerful people were knocking at his door getting ready to kill him. The rest is stupid, though.
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Aug 13, 2015 14:47
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While we're on the subject of Cell, has there ever been a what-if scenario in one of the games or something where the main timeline's Cell survives and we have 2 Cells running around, squabbling over the androids? Maybe one absorbs 19 and 20 instead? That seems like fun!
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Aug 13, 2015 14:52
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No we have not, but that sounds like it'd be funny.
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Aug 13, 2015 15:06
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Darko posted:(this is kind of the dumb part - that he didn't notice what was going on when Goku/Freeza were actually on earth after that). At the point where Goku went off-planet, Gero had already kinda abandoned Cell to the AI that was raising him. The AI collected Freeza's DNA without Gero's knowledge so Gero also had no idea about the whole super saiyan business.
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Panic Restaurant posted:While we're on the subject of Cell, has there ever been a what-if scenario in one of the games or something where the main timeline's Cell survives and we have 2 Cells running around, squabbling over the androids? Maybe one absorbs 19 and 20 instead? That seems like fun! I'd honestly borrow this idea for a Parallels adventure, except I already have a Cell what-if scenario, drawing from a timeline where Gero never goes to robotics school and instead takes over the family farm. Twenty-odd years later, Ol' Farmer Gero's biomechanical supercrop (made from the cells of the Tree of Might, senzu beans, kudzu, and quinoa) turns into Sprout, a self-replicating martial artist with unfathomable energy reserves. Still, the idea of a Perfect Cell whose physical form is based off a round clown and an old man is pretty funny to me. He'd look like a green Santa Claus.
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