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The parts that aren't about boring vr fighting aren't bad, but most of the series seems dedicated to the boring vr fighting.
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ConanThe3rd posted:Is there anything more aggressively boring in the Current (Translated) WSJ lineup than World Trigger? Because I don't think anything's happened in that comic. Naruto Madlibs is also a thing that exists, but no World Trigger is still the worst. The anime was so boring I assumed it couldn't possibly be doing justice to the source material but then I got my jump sub and whelp. I mean I guess things at least happen in Black Clover and the pacing is ridiculous so hey, if you don't like this weeks thinly disguised Naruto villain just wait 3 weeks and they'll be fighting someone else.
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Aug 11, 2015 14:59
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Eh, Black Clover hasn't really been using Naruto villians. It's villians are pretty much all Rave/Fairy Tail It's main character is a Naruto(though it's not like Naruto is some original character archtype in manga), with but with Rock Lee's positioning powerset wise. Rival is a Non-rear end in a top hat Sasuke. Black Clover's panel framing and combat reminds me heavily of Kishimoto's style, but it's story/villians and powersets are waaaay more Rave/Fairy Tail than Naruto.
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Aug 11, 2015 15:15
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I like /a/'s black clover drinking game.
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Aug 11, 2015 17:05
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Actually, why the hell is so much effort dedicated to fighting other people with identical skill sets and weapons in world trigger when any real fights are guaranteed to be completely different? I can see doing it sometimes, as experience is experience, but that's all the training they ever do. Like, no classes on tactics, records of past (real) battles, magic bullshit physics, etc. They basically teach nothing aside from how to fight their own allies, and most certainly not how to cooperate with the dudes they were fake fighting the day before.
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Aug 11, 2015 18:29
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Serious Frolicking posted:Actually, why the hell is so much effort dedicated to fighting other people with identical skill sets and weapons in world trigger when any real fights are guaranteed to be completely different? I can see doing it sometimes, as experience is experience, but that's all the training they ever do. Like, no classes on tactics, records of past (real) battles, magic bullshit physics, etc. They basically teach nothing aside from how to fight their own allies, and most certainly not how to cooperate with the dudes they were fake fighting the day before. Probably because it causes the best rankings for WSJ.
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Serious Frolicking posted:The parts that aren't about boring vr fighting aren't bad, but most of the series seems dedicated to the boring vr fighting. The only thing I like about World Trigger is that (at least up until the point I read to) the protagonist is a really ordinary guy and not the son of some legendary prodigy or something.
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Aug 11, 2015 19:25
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Serious Frolicking posted:Actually, why the hell is so much effort dedicated to fighting other people with identical skill sets and weapons in world trigger when any real fights are guaranteed to be completely different? I can see doing it sometimes, as experience is experience, but that's all the training they ever do. Like, no classes on tactics, records of past (real) battles, magic bullshit physics, etc. They basically teach nothing aside from how to fight their own allies, and most certainly not how to cooperate with the dudes they were fake fighting the day before. WT is there to basically make sure that nothing good replaced Naruto as part of the big three. ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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Aug 11, 2015 22:51
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World Trigger is one of my favorite manga that I'm currently following and I look forward to new chapters as much as My Hero Academia and One Piece. I just find the whole thing really engrossing.
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Aug 12, 2015 06:48
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The thing about World Trigger is that the whole premise is just incredibly silly. Supposedly this PORTAL TO ANOTHER WORLD(S) THROUGH WHICH ALIENS ARE ATTACKING US opens up in Japan, yet Japan is the only country involved in trying to defend against it and appears to not ask other countries for help or even receive that much funding. Not to mention the fact that people continue living within the range of the portal that might be attacked by the Neighbors (I think they say something along the lines of "this is further away than usual!", but you'd think they'd leave a pretty big empty zone around this portal). It's not so much the fact that it's unrealistic that's the problem; it's more that it's ridiculous even given the assumptions the comic asks us to make.
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Aug 13, 2015 04:28
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Then there is the fact that they seem to exclusively recruit japanese teenagers. There hasn't been any reason given for the part-time child soldiers thing. Why the heck are all of these parents allowing their kids to dedicate their lives to this to the detriment of their education and future prospects? I like the art, but everything else is just a huge mess.
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Aug 13, 2015 12:50
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Suspension of Disbelief is a hell of a thing. You know you've hosed up if people are confused by your otherworldly invader story but can roll with something like Toriko or Assassination Classroom.
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Fabricated posted:Suspension of Disbelief is a hell of a thing. You know you've hosed up if people are confused by your otherworldly invader story but can roll with something like Toriko or Assassination Classroom. Toriko is great because it straight out presents you with ridiculous numbers like "and five billion people were at the stadium, and by the way that's only 0.1% of the world's population" and it's dropped so casually you just nod and go hmm yes I see and don't think about it. It's the best.
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Fabricated posted:Suspension of Disbelief is a hell of a thing. You know you've hosed up if people are confused by your otherworldly invader story but can roll with something like Toriko or Assassination Classroom. None of the gaping holes in world trigger's setting are so extreme that they couldn't be explained away. Only, there hasn't been any attempt at doing so. Just say that teenagers have some advantage in using magic particles or something.
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Aug 13, 2015 15:20
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Serious Frolicking posted:None of the gaping holes in world trigger's setting are so extreme that they couldn't be explained away. Only, there hasn't been any attempt at doing so. Just say that teenagers have some advantage in using magic particles or something. I dunno, I don't see how they could explain away the "only Japan is involved in dealing with the alien threat" thing. Maybe it's that the alien threat isn't really that big, as noted by the fact that an army consisting of a couple hundred teenagers have been able to hold off all attacks so far.
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Aug 13, 2015 18:02
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I like World Trigger to be honest. It has a lot of issues with plot and the pacing feels a bit too slow, but the characters are likable enough and I like the way it does fights. To me it comes down to the fact that if I can turn my brain off there's still some nice stuff in there. Its biggest issue is that it's really not an over the top series at all, it tries to take a more grounded approach to fighting and stuff. That's actually really nice to read but also kind of invites you to take the plot seriously, and when you do that there are a ton of issues that pop out. Kinda feels like something I'd enjoy a lot more if I had a ton of chapters to catch up on though. Like I actually enjoy the manga's pacing by itself, I like the fact it takes things slowly and all...but when you only read a chapter every two weeks or so it can get kinda boring. Still, I can honestly say I have fun reading it.
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Aug 13, 2015 20:47
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Its near impossible to follow weekly, which is pretty bad for a weekly series
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I liked the manga during the Invasion arc but this team competition arc is just getting way too draggy and boring, introducing so many new characters I just can't keep track of them, which makes me lose interest in both the characters and the series.
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Aug 14, 2015 04:00
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alkanphel posted:I liked the manga during the Invasion arc but this team competition arc is just getting way too draggy and boring, introducing so many new characters I just can't keep track of them, which makes me lose interest in both the characters and the series. Did the translation ever get better? I remember some of the early scans being pretty rough, and there was a point in the invasion arc where I just had to drop it.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:47
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Basically the only real way to keep up to date with world trigger was to subscribe to the official translations anyways since scanlations were so spotty. Dunno if they have caught up or not since I switched to the official one so long ago.
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Hopeford posted:I like World Trigger to be honest. It has a lot of issues with plot and the pacing feels a bit too slow, but the characters are likable enough and I like the way it does fights. To me it comes down to the fact that if I can turn my brain off there's still some nice stuff in there. Its biggest issue is that it's really not an over the top series at all, it tries to take a more grounded approach to fighting and stuff. That's actually really nice to read but also kind of invites you to take the plot seriously, and when you do that there are a ton of issues that pop out. Kinda feels like something I'd enjoy a lot more if I had a ton of chapters to catch up on though. Like I actually enjoy the manga's pacing by itself, I like the fact it takes things slowly and all...but when you only read a chapter every two weeks or so it can get kinda boring. Still, I can honestly say I have fun reading it. I caught up with it the last couple days after seeing it mentioned in this thread, and I think I was being a little too hard on it. I think that it has a couple good things going for it - good characters and good fights. The only weaknesses are the setting/plot and pacing, but the setting/plot is pretty drat bad. At the end of the day, the fights are well written enough that I think it's worth following. I'm also very curious as to how the main character is going to develop. So far the series has been very good about not giving the main character many Gary Stu-ish qualities; he's generally mediocre and the only thing he's good at is being a leader/tactician, but he's not even that exceptional at that. And the characters in recent chapters have been pointing out how he can't get by on just that limited strength alone. One thing that kind of confused me is why Kuga is having so much trouble with these B rank dudes in recent chapters. Like, he's totally owned Midorikawa a couple times now, and he's A rank. He also beat that humanoid neighbor guy who was significantly stronger than an A rank during the invasion. Yet he was flat out losing to that guy with the special memorization ability I forget the name of, despite him only being B rank.
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Ytlaya posted:One thing that kind of confused me is why Kuga is having so much trouble with these B rank dudes in recent chapters. Like, he's totally owned Midorikawa a couple times now, and he's A rank. He also beat that humanoid neighbor guy who was significantly stronger than an A rank during the invasion. Yet he was flat out losing to that guy with the special memorization ability I forget the name of, despite him only being B rank. I think the team is B rank while the guy himself is A rank.
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Did Again!! get cancelled or something? I was enjoying it up to vol 12 where it takes a strangely abrupt turn and slaps you in the face with one of the least satisfying endings ever. 
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Mraagvpeine posted:I think the team is B rank while the guy himself is A rank. I think the letter ranking is only for teams and that the guy was the "rank 4 attacker" in the sense of being the fourth best attacker, even though his team was only B rank. I'm also under the impression that Kuga would have owned him if they hadn't done those 10 sparring matches before the match (which allowed the guy's side effect to kick in and learn about Kuga's fighting style). So I'm okay with Kuga not owning him in their one on one fight. That being said, one thing I had forgotten about was the part earlier on when Kuga literally solos an entire A rank team (Miwa's team) without even being pushed that hard. While that was partly due to him being able to use the black trigger, it would seem to imply enough of a difference in skill that he could reliably defeat most B rank teams (he didn't even use the black trigger until the very end of the fight, IIRC). Overall I think that I was definitely being too harsh on the series earlier, though; after reading the recent chapters and rereading the first part, World Trigger actually does some things WAY better than your average shounen series. The fights in general are pretty superb and have never come down to "power levels" in any sense; even the enemies, while having better weapons, also require great skill in order to face the Border agents. Combatants have also always acted within the established rules of the setting, and no fights have been won due to someone "powering up" in some unrealistic way. Every single fight against the stronger enemies has involved some level of trickery/tactics. While I wish that the setting was more interesting, the action is really refreshing for a WSJ series and I'm happy that it seems to be doing well (based on it getting an anime at least). Also, the inconsistency someone mentioned about their training being bizarre when they're actually fighting monster/alien things is a bit off-base when you consider the fact that they probably realized after the first couple expeditions into the Neighborhood that the monster things were just Trion soldiers and that humanoid neighbors existed and used trigger weapons just like them (so they knew fighting other humanoids using triggers like this was a possibility/inevitability). It also seems like all known Trion soldiers up until the Invasion arc were easily beatable by anyone B rank or above, so there wasn't much of a need to continue honing their skills against them after reaching B rank.
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I spoke with another person about this series and a comparison to the way Hunter x Hunter does fights was made, comparing how the characters were constantly planning and trying to out-maneuver their opponent with main difference being that HxH does tactics on an individual level while WT is more team based.
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Ytlaya posted:I think the letter ranking is only for teams and that the guy was the "rank 4 attacker" in the sense of being the fourth best attacker, even though his team was only B rank. I'm also under the impression that Kuga would have owned him if they hadn't done those 10 sparring matches before the match (which allowed the guy's side effect to kick in and learn about Kuga's fighting style). So I'm okay with Kuga not owning him in their one on one fight. The one big issue I had with the whole thing is that the MC was absolutely completely unremarkable, and I get that that's part of what's special about him, but is that still the case? Is he still completely scrub tier or does he have something, ANYTHING, that he's developed so far?
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pandaK posted:The one big issue I had with the whole thing is that the MC was absolutely completely unremarkable, and I get that that's part of what's special about him, but is that still the case? Is he still completely scrub tier or does he have something, ANYTHING, that he's developed so far? He was originally very far below average, but now he has become about average. He tries to make up for the skill gap with strategy, with mixed results. But really, his main advantage over his peers is that most of them are dumb kids on power trips and he has a very realistic understanding of his own strength. He has no advantages at all over the top tier people, though.
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Aug 21, 2015 04:50
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Another chapter of Rin is out. I really like how the question marks on his manga in the page where he's asking about fanservice look like they're coming from his own head.
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Serious Frolicking posted:He has no advantages at all over the top tier people, though. This has actually been a plot point in the most recent chapters. They've had characters point out to Osamu (and him realize himself) that unless he gets to the point where he can actually fight people one on one, he'll never be A Rank. Currently the only guy in his group that can fight is Kuga, and if Kuga is defeated his team is dead in the water. I'm pleasantly surprised that Osamu hasn't suddenly realized that he has a super badass Side Effect (since that whole plot device opens the doors to making the characters a Mary Sue in many ways). I wouldn't mind if he ends up finding out he has some minor side effect or something and learns some creative way to use it (like the guy with the hearing ability), though. One other unrelated minor gripe: It seems really silly to me how a lot of these characters act like they've been in Borders for decades, despite the Neighbors only invading like 5 years ago. This whole organization just sort of sprang up overnight* and a lot of the people talk like they're super experienced veterans even though no one can possibly have had more than 4-5 years of experience. This could have been solved if they just made the original invasion take place a longer time ago. I guess I can just attribute it to the fact that the target audience (teenagers) considers 2 years some massive life-changing period of time (i.e. a high school senior is way more experienced and world-wise than a sophomore - from the perspective of a sophomore). *I'm actually half-expecting some sort of explanation for this at some point, since they've just sort of hand-waved away how humans initially repelled the first Neighbor invasion (since you can't beat Neighbors without Trion weapons and humans didn't have Trion weapons until the Neighbors invaded).
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Has anyone here ever heard of or read Law of Ueki? I've been an avid follower of the mangaka ever since his first work, but I'm starting to feel like he might be a one shot wonder now. Takkoku was alright until it just abruptly ended, and Anagle Mole started off really interesting but just spluttered off until he fell into medical issues and that too had to be cut short soon after he recovered. He's started on a new series called Saike Mata Shitemo. I've only read the first chapter so far, but it just feels off right from the beginning. It just seems to follow the "debbie downer kid who thinks he has no aspirations in life suddenly finds himself in Groundhog's Day" formula really hard, like I mean really hard. It's painful seeing someone I've been looking forward to for a long time turn out like this... We don't talk about Law of Ueki +
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I read Ueki like a decade ago so I don't really remember it well, but I did follow Takkoku for a while a bit more recently. It was pretty goofy fun, but I haven't really followed his career. Sucks to hear that was probably the right decision.
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I liked Ueki, especially how bizarre the powers got later on. But if the guy can't manage charmingly strange in his manga any more, what else does he have?
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pandaK posted:Has anyone here ever heard of or read Law of Ueki? I've been an avid follower of the mangaka ever since his first work, but I'm starting to feel like he might be a one shot wonder now. Takkoku was alright until it just abruptly ended, and Anagle Mole started off really interesting but just spluttered off until he fell into medical issues and that too had to be cut short soon after he recovered. He's started on a new series called Saike Mata Shitemo. I've only read the first chapter so far, but it just feels off right from the beginning. It just seems to follow the "debbie downer kid who thinks he has no aspirations in life suddenly finds himself in Groundhog's Day" formula really hard, like I mean really hard. It's painful seeing someone I've been looking forward to for a long time turn out like this... I remember that Ueki had a guy who was immensely proud of his ability to turn tomatoes into magma and I was like yeah okay and never read another chapter.
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I liked Ueki a lot but it was a bit disappointing for the main character to mostly abandon his trash->trees ability.
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Holy poo poo Saike just took a swerve and turned into a standard battle manga except that he still has the really OP time travel power
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RatHat posted:I liked Ueki a lot but it was a bit disappointing for the main character to mostly abandon his trash->trees ability.
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Nihilarian posted:Didn't the author go to great lengths to make sure that every other power he got was useless? What do you mean?
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pandaK posted:Holy poo poo Saike just took a swerve and turned into a standard battle manga except that he still has the really OP time travel power It's an interesting premise, though I don't see how he's always going to be lucky enough to be able to run all the way to that lake in order to "respawn." I'm guessing that it might actually work on any death, rather than just drowning in the pond (and he obviously isn't willing to test this out).
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Ytlaya posted:It's an interesting premise, though I don't see how he's always going to be lucky enough to be able to run all the way to that lake in order to "respawn." I'm guessing that it might actually work on any death, rather than just drowning in the pond (and he obviously isn't willing to test this out). He already got smashed into a wall by a phone pole and also went after a legit killer all without actually dying lmao this poo poo is rich.
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RatHat posted:What do you mean?
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