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I liked the method used in the last elections in Buenos Aires. It was a mixture of electronic vote and the traditional system. The machines were used like printers and then voters had to cast their physichal vote in ballots.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/08/11/u-s-rowing-coach-says-american-team-got-sick-from-rios-contaminated-water/quote:The team doctor for the U.S. squad at last week’s World Junior Rowing Championships says she believes 13 team members suffered stomach illnesses after competing in the polluted Rio lake that will host aquatic events at next year’s Olympics. When can we start the 2016 olympics thread?
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The anti-dilma song n' dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_R3mggJKBM I guess using the national flag in political demonstrations goes back to the military government, but never ceases to be ironic in that most of the anti-PT crowd is liberal (as in neoliberal mixed with evangelical conservatives) while PT has some nationalist roots.
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bagual posted:I guess using the national flag in political demonstrations goes back to the military government, but never ceases to be ironic in that most of the anti-PT crowd is liberal (as in neoliberal mixed with evangelical conservatives) while PT has some nationalist roots. As an American I'd like to apologize for my country siccing its libertarians and evangelicals on you, just as a side
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It's gonna be so weird when the evangelicals finally seize their rightful place in the reactionary chilean right. What will the Opus Dei do then 
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SexyBlindfold posted:It's gonna be so weird when the evangelicals finally seize their rightful place in the reactionary chilean right. What will the Opus Dei do then From last elections you had Matthei claiming that nothing would be done that ran contrary to the words of the Bible. They're getting there, but I don't think they'll ever have the weight of their US counterparts. Come on, being a canuto is so uncool.
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The Catholic Church didn't mind working with the Mormons to get Prop 8 passed in California. Any chance it might be similar with evangelicals in Chile, a common enemy in godless socialism? Or are the perceived differences too great? More generally, how much truth is there to reports of the displacement of the RCC by pentecostals/evangelicals in Latin America? As someone living in the US, from here it looks both fascinating and depressing. Not a big fan of the RCC, but politically they're definitely the lesser evil up here.
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rockopete posted:The Catholic Church didn't mind working with the Mormons to get Prop 8 passed in California. Any chance it might be similar with evangelicals in Chile, a common enemy in godless socialism? Or are the perceived differences too great? I've heard alot of the evangelicals being in the middle class, maybe the fact that the RCC tries to be communal is why so man are turning to souless evangelicalism. Evangelicals very much are about being "spiritual in a individual sense". And while extolling "personal responsibility" really have no real patience for ideas like greater responsibility for the whole. So they turn to what tells them its all about them.
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Is that really such an issue? I thought the success of the evangelicals in Latin America is that they would target specific communities with a more intensive level of effort that the Catholic church could hope to bring to bear. Since the Catholics are spread all over the country, and the evangelicals don't (or didn't, at least when they started) have to "defend" their flock they could disproportionately target certain sectors. Of course I'm not talking about people with money here, as they wouldn't be really affected by a higher level of that kind of attention. Furthermore, I'm sure we have all met plenty of people who self-identify as Catholic and attend service who have no problem being dickheads, spurning any ideas of communal values, and voting for people spouting reactionary coupist dialogue. I don't necessarily believe that evangelicals are specifically more "soulless" than Catholics. As noted above, I remember at least in Argentina, that organisations of the major religions don't have an issue in banding together when its time to go up to bat for "traditional family values" and oppose anything remotely progressive, feminist, or pro-lgbt as much as they can.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Is that really such an issue? I thought the success of the evangelicals in Latin America is that they would target specific communities with a more intensive level of effort that the Catholic church could hope to bring to bear. Since the Catholics are spread all over the country, and the evangelicals don't (or didn't, at least when they started) have to "defend" their flock they could disproportionately target certain sectors. Of course I'm not talking about people with money here, as they wouldn't be really affected by a higher level of that kind of attention. Furthermore, I'm sure we have all met plenty of people who self-identify as Catholic and attend service who have no problem being dickheads, spurning any ideas of communal values, and voting for people spouting reactionary coupist dialogue. I don't necessarily believe that evangelicals are specifically more "soulless" than Catholics. As noted above, I remember at least in Argentina, that organisations of the major religions don't have an issue in banding together when its time to go up to bat for "traditional family values" and oppose anything remotely progressive, feminist, or pro-lgbt as much as they can. Due to the abortion debate, some of the guys at my university decided to mock the religious side by altering the Mother Mary statue in the building (which was part of another whole debate about freedom of cult, as you may imagine) two years ago. Under the new Mother Mary pseudo-cult they formed, it was now called "The Virgin Statue for Female Pads", and students left unopened pad packs as a form of tribute inside its wall space. It was absolutely dumb and juvenile. Of course, religious people went into a craze and started complaining about the sexualization of a sacred icon etc etc. Best part is that the complaint also extended to "sexualization of a holy being", and "beginning of a Servis Trinitatis-like cult".  Edit: As actual content, acquaintances of mine who were presiding over the voting tables during the PASO elections just can't stop complaining about the number of irregularities and people stealing ballot papers. I hope this doesn't happen during the primary elections! (It will)
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Is that really such an issue? I thought the success of the evangelicals in Latin America is that they would target specific communities with a more intensive level of effort that the Catholic church could hope to bring to bear. Since the Catholics are spread all over the country, and the evangelicals don't (or didn't, at least when they started) have to "defend" their flock they could disproportionately target certain sectors. Here in Brazil you can find evangelical churches in places that the catholics wont bother investing, inside favelas, small rural communities, anywhere. The smallest towns Ive visited in Brazil didint had a catholic church, but did had an Assembléia de Deus (evangelical church). They go where nobody wants to go, not the catholic church and not even the state, they have a simpler, more mundane theology: "do what we say and pay us you and you will get a job, your mother is going to be cured, your son will stop doing crack", simpler aesthetics, a more popular feel on everything, no latin, no bullshit. They are ever growing and gaining ground. And the catholics, while still the majority, are only losing ground.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Here in Brazil you can find evangelical churches in places that the catholics wont bother investing, inside favelas, small rural communities, anywhere. The smallest towns Ive visited in Brazil didint had a catholic church, but did had an Assembléia de Deus (evangelical church). Indeed. You see lots of catholics going evangelical but never the other way around. At least where I live, there's at least 3 evangelical churches within a kilometer radius anywhere in the city. The protestant movement in brazil is extremely fragmented and decentralized, but there are some mega churches. From my experience it's not uncommon for pastors to simply talk about politics during the sermons, and even specifically tell people who they should vote for, which is obviously extremely effective. Fabio Sousa, the son of Cesar Augusto (mega church pastor and director) is consistently the most voted federal deputy in goias. I researched his work and he apparently makes use of his god given government position to... propose raising scientic research budgets, recognize the scientist as a carreer and improve telecommunication services? http://www.camara.gov.br/internet/sileg/Prop_lista.asp?Autor=5310415&Limite=N
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Catholicism in Brazil was always kinda interesting, in that it's rare to find a "pure" catholic, at least in my experience. Lots of people dabble into Spiritism, Evangelism and what-not, even if the doctrines are very much incompatible. Evangelism kinda broke off and became a massive thing by itself in the last few years, but they're not at odds just yet. Of course, as a Social Studies major I kinda lost touch with people that aren't godless heathens in my day-to-day, so I might be spouting BS. In a political sense, the PSC (Partido Social Cristão, or Social Christian Party) has a pastor as their president, so...
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nerdz posted:Indeed. You see lots of catholics going evangelical but never the other way around. At least where I live, there's at least 3 evangelical churches within a kilometer radius anywhere in the city. The protestant movement in brazil is extremely fragmented and decentralized, but there are some mega churches. From my experience it's not uncommon for pastors to simply talk about politics during the sermons, and even specifically tell people who they should vote for, which is obviously extremely effective. Fabio Sousa, the son of Cesar Augusto (mega church pastor and director) is consistently the most voted federal deputy in goias. Eh, the Brazilian Evangelical Right isn't as much anti-science as it is anti-abortion, gay or African religions. I could be wrong though if there's a budding creationism movement forming right now.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Eh, the Brazilian Evangelical Right isn't as much anti-science as it is anti-abortion, gay or African religions. I could be wrong though if there's a budding creationism movement forming right now. One thing we have to give them credit, the anti abortion people (Including Bolsonaro) pushed for free and available contraceptives and better sexual education back in the day. At least they make sense in their approach to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
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nerdz posted:One thing we have to give them credit, the anti abortion people (Including Bolsonaro) pushed for free and available contraceptives and better sexual education back in the day. At least they make sense in their approach to reduce unwanted pregnancies. Really? How did that square with the RCC's anti contraception stance? Not that the average Catholic ever seems to give a poo poo, but we've got bishops up here fighting tooth and nail against the possibility that Catholic organizations' health plans might cover birth control pills. Our evangelicals on the other hand don't have that Humanae Vitae bullshit but they still come out against it because safe sex encourages sluttiness and moral decay. Is this more a factor of Latin countries being more relaxed about sex in general?
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The pew research center recently did some good work regarding the catholic vs evangelical trends. The headliner is that the catholic church works at high levels rather than having any kind of ground game and is hemorrhaging members as a result. They focus too much on abstract stuff (policy, culture, tradition, ideas) rather than individuals and their personal spiritual needs. The evangelical's in contrast are up in everybody's business and are really focused on active participation in the church.
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rockopete posted:Really? How did that square with the RCC's anti contraception stance? Not that the average Catholic ever seems to give a poo poo, but we've got bishops up here fighting tooth and nail against the possibility that Catholic organizations' health plans might cover birth control pills. Our evangelicals on the other hand don't have that Humanae Vitae bullshit but they still come out against it because safe sex encourages sluttiness and moral decay. Is this more a factor of Latin countries being more relaxed about sex in general? Because poor people overwhelmingly vote PT, probably.
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More good news from Chile!
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Loved the women who said {"he joins Hitler Goebbels, Goering, and Himmler in Heaven, because all people who commit suicide go there."
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A couple of weeks ago a Sao Paulo policeman was killed in a robbery. Yesterday, a group of policemen (confirmed by ballistics) went on a rampage and killed 18 people at random from the neighborhood where the policeman had been killed. It is simply the latest in a series of massacres where police involvement is highly likely.
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I know a few policemen and basically all of them think of summary executions on repeat offenders and anyone that openly threatens a policeman as a completely normal thing. One of them showed me a whatsapp video of a distressed 14 year old kid inside a cop car saying he would kill both of the cops that arrested him and were filming him. The cop then said the kid was doomed because of his comments. here in goias people also say that if cops find drugs on your car and you have a Rio plate you're as good as dead. it's kinda funny thinking of people asking for the death penalty when cops in here are basically working like judge dredd. also it obviously don't work. nerdz fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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nerdz posted:I know a few policemen and basically all of them think of summary executions on repeat offenders and anyone that openly threatens a policeman as a completely normal thing. One of them showed me a whatsapp video of a distressed 14 year old kid inside a cop car saying he would kill both of the cops that arrested him and were filming him. The cop then said the kid was doomed because of his comments. All you need is a mão dura for sixteen year olds to clean crime right up!
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joepinetree posted:A couple of weeks ago a Sao Paulo policeman was killed in a robbery. Yesterday, a group of policemen (confirmed by ballistics) went on a rampage and killed 18 people at random from the neighborhood where the policeman had been killed. It is simply the latest in a series of massacres where police involvement is highly likely. First hypothesis I heard of was revenge for a big shot of the PCC criminal faction being killed but the PM doing so is believable as well yeah...
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ArfJason posted:Party in Macri's Bunker. In due time.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyAXup7XEE8
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Yggdrassil posted:In due time.... Cuando pases por starbucks, traeme mi frappuccino ----------------
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nerdz posted:here in goias people also say that if cops find drugs on your car and you have a Rio plate you're as good as dead. it's kinda funny thinking of people asking for the death penalty when cops in here are basically working like judge dredd. also it obviously don't work. That's hardly fair, Judge Dredd only kills criminals in self defence.
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ArfJason posted:Cuando pases por starbucks, traeme mi frappuccino I miss Poxyclub so much :'(
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 Feliz dia do protesto.
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People were doing literal soccer chants here in Porto Alegre, reinforcing my notion that this poo poo is reaching club fandom levels. They even sung Decime Que Se Siente, FFS. Oh, and since you guys were talking about police abuse, here's a cool interview with a former policemen that got arrested for torture and then wrote a book about all the poo poo that happens. http://www.pragmatismopolitico.com.br/2015/08/depoimento-de-ex-policial-revela-a-realidade-perversa-da-pm-no-brasil.html
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What do I say to my dad that wants me to go those stupid protests today
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frajaq posted:What do I say to my dad that wants me to go those stupid protests today gently caress off? It works with my family, but they're very accepting of my views. Also, they think this protest is idiotic too. My family is cool. Oh, I have a little anecdote for all of you all. I live in one of the bigger avenues in Porto Alegre, so all of these protests tend to happen right in front of my house. So I decide to go down, get some beers and see this whole mess up close - I might as well, right. When I come back, there are a couple of RBS/Globo reporters in the door trying to get a hold of one of my neighbours - she put a PT flag on the balcony, and they wanted to get the other side of the story. She refused because "people were too violent about this stuff". Right on cue, when I sit my rear end down and open a beer, I hear whoever's on the mic for this whole shebang calling out the "white elite in a fancy apartment living off PT's money" for a solid five minutes. Girl was right. it's not even that fancy man poo poo ain't got a garage it's just middle-class as gently caress
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translation, or could you post that in text form so non Portuguese speakers can Google translate? also  at that earlier protest pic you posted, which was short enough that I transcribed it (Why didn't they kill them all in 1964? I think)
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rockopete posted:translation, or could you post that in text form so non Portuguese speakers can Google translate? I don't speak Portuguese, but just from my experiences with people from Brazil in Dota: It looks like two Argentinians were awestruck by the request for military intervention in Rio. "They have lost their minds", they said, "This is what happens when people get tired. They've begun asking for things that make no sense" - said Rivas, while taking pictures. For Marcela, the demonstration is different from what you see in Argentina. "There, demonstrations are more sober. Here, it looks like carnival." "By people with money" - Rivas finishes, "You can tell they are people with money. They are well dressed, and they arrived in cars." (I think veio de carro means that) Azran fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Azran posted:I don't speak Portuguese, but just from my experiences with people from Brazil in Dota, it looks like two Argentinians were awestruck by the request for military intervention in Rio. "They have lost their minds", they said, "This is what happens when people get tired. They've begun asking for things that make no sense. In Argentina, demonstrations are more sober. Here, it looks like carnival by people with money. You can tell they are people with money. They are well dressed, and they arrived in cars." (I think veio de carro means that) That's pretty much it. I'm surprised that the Globo even published it.
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rockopete posted:translation, or could you post that in text form so non Portuguese speakers can Google translate? Request for a coup shocks Rio tourists The Argentines Ramiro Rivas, 41, and Marcela Yranzo, 39, were left stunned by the banner asking for a military coup. Staying at the Othon since Sunday, they bemoaned that position: "These people have lost their mind. But that's what happens when people get fed up. They start asking for things that don't make sense," said Rivas, taking pictures. For Marcela, the protest was different then the ones seen in Argentina. "There, the protests are sober. Here it's like carnaval." "It's all people with money," said Rivas. "You can see they have money. They're well dressed. They drove here." Extra context in case you didn't know: Argentina had brutal military regime around the same time Brazil did, around 30,000 Argentines were murdered or "disappeared" by the military government. Badger of Basra fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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