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Senior Woodchuck posted:Youngblood. WildCATS was Jim Lee, which meant the art was occasionally not completely awful. In the case of Supreme, at least, one of his stipulations for agreeing to write the character was that he would be allowed to ignore the entire series up to his first issue because he thought it was terrible. Don't know if he did the same thing with Youngblood or WildC.A.T.S. because I've not read either, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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Wheat Loaf posted:In the case of Supreme, at least, one of his stipulations for agreeing to write the character was that he would be allowed to ignore the entire series up to his first issue because he thought it was terrible. I originally read that as "He could ignore everything up to the first issue" which seemed a little extreme. Like the whole run is poo poo, you'd better just let him start it fresh.
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Wheat Loaf posted:In the case of Supreme, at least, one of his stipulations for agreeing to write the character was that he would be allowed to ignore the entire series up to his first issue because he thought it was terrible.
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Yeah, I've only read a review summary of the Youngblood story, but it seemed like a good idea, blossoming ideas hinted at in the Supreme run about ramifications from the fictional previous ages of the Image super universe. Unfortunately, rather than following the Supreme run's style of having very carefully chosen art styles to create a love letter to all of comics history, Rob just drew the stuff himself and undercut all the quality.
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joehonkie posted:Rob Liefeld is where 1963 comes from and Supreme, so I guess I should be grateful? I had this comic. Or A comic with that guy. It came in a random comics grab bag for like a dollar at some dollar store. It was a hilariously transparent Fantastic Four rip off. They had the Living Planet instead of Thing, the had Crystal Man as the extending scientist, they had Neon Gas Woman, and the younger kid who could turn into electricity (thwarted by the sprinkler system).
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Section Z posted:I had this comic. Or A comic with that guy. It came in a random comics grab bag for like a dollar at some dollar store. 
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I've had this in my folders for awhile. Giant bunnies are four times as dangerous as an oncoming train. One of the really early issues of Excalibur. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 00:52
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WickedHate posted:Giant bunnies are four times as dangerous as an oncoming train. And not just any giant bunny. Based on the pocket watch he's swinging and his natty attire, I believe that's the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland.  Why it's the White Rabbit is a whole 'nother question.
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I think that's part of a Mad Jim Jaspers arc
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goatface posted:I think that's part of a Mad Jim Jaspers arc Nah, just Arcade.
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goatface posted:I think that's part of a Mad Jim Jaspers arc That looks to be from Excalibur #4. Arcade hires the Crazy Gang to kidnap someone then mindswaps them with the members of Excalibur because Claremont. 
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WickedHate posted:I've had this in my folders for awhile. Also not sure what that look says about Brian or Meggan (I assume that's who it is), considering how the latter's powers worked at the time.
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Yeah, it's Arcade, and he's teaming up with the Crazy Gang to put Courtney Ross through a Wonderland-themed Murderworld. And it's all drawn by Alan Davis, so the art is all very pretty. Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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WickedHate posted:I've had this in my folders for awhile. To be fair, we really are.
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Choco1980 posted:Yeah, I've only read a review summary of the Youngblood story, but it seemed like a good idea, blossoming ideas hinted at in the Supreme run about ramifications from the fictional previous ages of the Image super universe. Unfortunately, rather than following the Supreme run's style of having very carefully chosen art styles to create a love letter to all of comics history, Rob just drew the stuff himself and undercut all the quality. Liefeld did draw a bunch of the Judgment Day crossover though, which sounds like what you're talking about (Gil Kane as The Imagineer, amidst a superhero murder trial). That was rough.
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Kalli posted:That looks to be from Excalibur #4. I miss the Crazy Gang and Technet so much. I kept hoping for a Technet cameo during Annihilation but no such luck 
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gently caress it. Liefeld gave us Prophet which gave is the amazing new Prophet revival and Glory so it's all good.
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Liefeld does deserve credit for creating characters that others made awesome. Deadpool is the classic example. I bet someone could take Smash and make something out of it...
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Dario the Wop posted:Liefeld does deserve credit for creating characters that others made awesome. Deadpool is the classic example. I bet someone could take Smash and make something out of it... Liefeld is so completely shameless. Like, every time I think I've seen it all I find out about some other bizarrely stupid thing he did.
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Dario the Wop posted:Liefeld does deserve credit for creating characters that others made awesome. Deadpool is the classic example. I bet someone could take Smash and make something out of it... Wow, even for Liefeld that's pretty goddamn lazy. Did Not-Captain-America shrink to like six inches tall in that second panel?
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Evil Mastermind posted:Wow, even for Liefeld that's pretty goddamn lazy. Uh. The purple dude is explicitly saying that his anger is causing him to grow larger in that panel. Like it's impressive that in a panel rife with Liefeldisms you managed to criticize the one thing that isn't an error.
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joehonkie posted:I was reading through an article on Rob Liefeld's worst drawings. 
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Fair is fair though, Smash is Liefeld's blatant ripoff of Hulk sure. But Fighting American is a blatant ripoff of Cap created by... Jack Kirby and Joe Simon. Shameless ripoffs aren't a new thing.
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The line between homages and ripoffs are pretty blurry when it comes to Liefeld. I mean it's clear that 1963 is a homage but given how much actual copying he did it's so fuzzy when it comes to Rob's work.
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You can get away with being a straight-up ripoff if you're good enough. Oreo supplanted Hydrox, Batman is way better known than The Shadow will ever be again, Candy Crush is monumentally popular while the original whatever game and all the Tetris Attack-style games before it won't, and so on.
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X-O posted:Fair is fair though, Smash is Liefeld's blatant ripoff of Hulk sure. But Fighting American is a blatant ripoff of Cap created by... Jack Kirby and Joe Simon. Shameless ripoffs aren't a new thing. I'm not the most savvy person here for sure, but I'm pretty sure that Fighting American didn't have a shield until Liefeld got his hands on him.
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Also, Liefeld was just going to make his own Agent America until Simon threatened to sue him. So he licensed Fighting American, gave him a shield and got sued by Marvel.
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fatherdog posted:Uh. The purple dude is explicitly saying that his anger is causing him to grow larger in that panel.
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And Fighting American was a 1950's satire of Captain America and McCarthyism, wasn't it?
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Star-Lord and Kitty Pryde #2:     I love the New Mutdroids so much.
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So that's 616 StarLord? Oh Cannonbot. 
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SynthOrange posted:So that's 616 StarLord? Yeah, he was on Reed's lifeboat thingee.
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Dario the Wop posted:Liefeld does deserve credit for creating characters that others made awesome. Deadpool is the classic example. I bet someone could take Smash and make something out of it... That's not Smash, that's the Incredible Plum!
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I love the 'focused totality of my psychic powers' reference too, almost more so because it's being used for Dani Moonbot rather than Psylocke so you know that Sam Humphries was determined to get it in there alongside Cannonbot's original programming and the other New Mutants references. I also really hope Alti Firmansyah does more work for Marvel after Secret Wars, her art is wonderful.
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Dario the Wop posted:Liefeld does deserve credit for creating characters that others made awesome. Deadpool is the classic example. I bet someone could take Smash and make something out of it... 
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That's the weirdest-looking dump I ever took.
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WickedHate posted:I've had this in my folders for awhile. Apparently Meggan doesn't know what "lovers" means.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Apparently Meggan doesn't know what "lovers" means. In fairness to Meggan, he did just get so angry about Courtney getting kidnapped that he literally popped out of his shirt. This is also just a few pages after Meggan flirts with Nightcrawler, so I suspect part of this might be a guilty conscience on her part. For some content, here's the cover:  I love Alan Davis Excalibur covers. Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Keromaru5 posted:In fairness to Meggan, he did just get so angry about Courtney getting kidnapped that he literally popped out of his shirt. This is also just a few pages after Meggan flirts with Nightcrawler, so I suspect part of this might be a guilty conscience on her part. He also did use to bang Courtney
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