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A CIC 2lt I know is getting married, and has asked all CAF members attending (mostly their cadet friends, I hope) to wear DEUs to their wedding. They included the dress regs on their RSVP. What goes on in the cadet world where this is considered cool?
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Aug 11, 2015 14:37
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Frosted Flake posted:A CIC 2lt I know is getting married, and has asked all CAF members attending (mostly their cadet friends, I hope) to wear DEUs to their wedding. They included the dress regs on their RSVP. lol I've seen this before. I still have mixed feelings about CIC even being issued CADPAT and DEU's.
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Aug 11, 2015 18:49
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So apparently after the retirement of the destroyers we have the force projection abilities of a 6th tier navy like Bangladesh, suitable only for in-shore operations And our grand crusade against ISIL is contributing 4% of the overall sorties. That's a damned rounding error. What the hell has happened to the forces?
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Aug 11, 2015 21:46
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Apparently it's bad when you're at the War Museum and tell a CIC in DEUs that they should be wearing their medals with that order of dress. In front of several of their cadets (Who all had little cadet medals). 
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Aug 11, 2015 21:51
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DrakeriderCa posted:lol How else will you be able to embarrass yourself by saluting a cadet officer, though?
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Aug 11, 2015 22:28
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Lassitude posted:How else will you be able to embarrass yourself by saluting a cadet officer, though? Would I have to? I kind of want to rock my Fur Hat, Yukon Style. I also want to publicly shame CIC, especially if they bring swords or swagger sticks or any of the archaic stuff cadets love. OR I can get ripped and hit on bridesmaids in normal clothes. e: MA-Horus posted:So apparently after the retirement of the destroyers we have the force projection abilities of a 6th tier navy like Bangladesh, suitable only for in-shore operations In 1945, Canada had the world's third largest navy. It was larger than the Soviet fleet. We also had an aircraft carrier(s?) into the 60's. I'm sure this played a role: http://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/rex-murphy-on-the-somalia-affair-bloody-and-contemptuous-images Frosted Flake fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Aug 11, 2015 |
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Aug 11, 2015 22:36
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Cadet officers technically hold a commission. You're technically supposed to salute them etc.. With a lot of them around it'd be best to stay in civvies to avoid a hassle and distance yourself from what will inevitably be a pathetic showing of CIC losers playing soldier dress-up.
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Aug 11, 2015 22:52
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Ruse posted:Apparently it's bad when you're at the War Museum and tell a CIC in DEUs that they should be wearing their medals with that order of dress. In front of several of their cadets (Who all had little cadet medals). I was going to say that DEUs with ribbons is an order of dress, but then I got the joke
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Aug 12, 2015 00:01
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I like the teen glider instructors walking around in RCAF-issue flight suits, wings that look real from a distance/to the casual observer, and "QGI" patches that look otherwise exactly like "QFI." Qualified Glider Instructor (teens that went to summer camp) versus Qualified Flight Instructor (adults who have many hundreds/thousands of hours in real airplanes). The longer I spend in MJ stressed out of my mind the more this pisses me off.
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Aug 12, 2015 01:35
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Its too bad with the CIC that they have this whole stupid commissioned officer thing attached to them. Having worked a couple summers with them, I think the Cadet program is fantastic, and one of the last vestiges of government sponsored youth activity (after katimavik et. al got butchered). Lots of the CIC were just young former cadets, or teachers or others interested in youth development that didnt throw around the rank or even really pretend to play Army. They were great, they understood what their actual job was. The bad ones of course stand out the most, and those are the ones that stay in to play Army. Also between reading Army.ca and having to listen to a racist old dinosaur at work (ex-Cbt Eng NCM) there needs to be a formal group that says "gently caress Army dinosaurs", because seriously, gently caress off. Every time they open their mouth I get more embarrassed to be even remotely associated with them.
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Aug 12, 2015 01:50
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Oh yeah don't get me wrong - I had a great experience in the cadet programme and despite its flaws its a good programme. But I just think there's no way the CIC officers should wear the same uniforms as actual fully trained military officers. It diminishes the meaning of the uniform.
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Aug 12, 2015 03:12
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I only get to play in the hiring/screening process of CIC officers, so I don't know what sort of coolaid they're fed after they're signed up by the units. It's usually a 50/50 mix of cadets aging out and C/MWOs who can't think of anything to do with their golden years other than play Army. Still doesn't mean I'll salute a CIC.
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Aug 12, 2015 07:12
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DrakeriderCa posted:Oh yeah don't get me wrong - I had a great experience in the cadet programme and despite its flaws its a good programme. But I just think there's no way the CIC officers should wear the same uniforms as actual fully trained military officers. It diminishes the meaning of the uniform. Exactly my point. It diminishes what they do as well (child and youth development is super important, definitely more important than some Class A reservist going on a weekend recce ex), and diminishes the uniform. Sure, have a uniform, cops and firefighters do too. Tradition's great. No commission though, gently caress that.
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Aug 12, 2015 17:43
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Melian Dialogue posted:Exactly my point. It diminishes what they do as well (child and youth development is super important, definitely more important than some Class A reservist going on a weekend recce ex), and diminishes the uniform. Sure, have a uniform, cops and firefighters do too. Tradition's great. No commission though, gently caress that. Yeah, exactly
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Aug 12, 2015 18:03
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A good buddy of mine made a Facebook post about how CIC should have to do the force test and it should be harder. He got an email from his Maj on leave - I guess someone bitched about it and he's in for poo poo.
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Aug 13, 2015 01:53
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I'm not very familiar with cadets or their instructors. How are they any different from any of the support trades or reservists or anything else that's not very high on the army dick-waving totem pole? Like I've known guys who got their jump wings in cadets but they're really no worse than the mailman who has his five training jumps and a water jump.
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Aug 13, 2015 07:23
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If Postal Clerks can get jump wings, I've made some very bad career choices.
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Aug 13, 2015 14:29
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Frosted Flake posted:If Postal Clerks can get jump wings, I've made some very bad career choices. There were all kinds of trades at the para school in Trenton. On the subject of cadets, can CICs force their troops to wash their disgusting bodies? I was on a flight back from the UK this week with about fifty cadets from some kind of shooting team, all wearing RCAC apparel, and the miasma that polluted the air around their block of seats made me want to friggin yak. It was seriously an embarrassment to have them stinking up the place while ostensibly representing Canadian youth and I'm of half a mind to tell the Connaught CSM a few words to that effect.
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Aug 13, 2015 22:39
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acumen posted:I'm not very familiar with cadets or their instructors. How are they any different from any of the support trades or reservists or anything else that's not very high on the army dick-waving totem pole? Like I've known guys who got their jump wings in cadets but they're really no worse than the mailman who has his five training jumps and a water jump. CIC are commissioned officers with zero actual military training. Like, not even BOC or whatever they call it now. But they still hold the same commission and wear the same uniforms. And yeah, the jump course is the same. Which is why it's the only course that transfers from Cadets to the military AFAIK. flakeloaf posted:There were all kinds of trades at the para school in Trenton. The National Rifle Team? No, they should have been back weeks ago. Probably one of the exchanges. I hope it wasn't the NRT. Don't ruin my alma mater, stinking teenagers! 
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Aug 14, 2015 01:38
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Wait they still give cadets rifles? It was a big deal when I was an air cadet that we used Lee Enfield .22s, then they all got taken away and replaced with pellet rifles
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Aug 14, 2015 10:42
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MA-Horus posted:Wait they still give cadets rifles? It was a big deal when I was an air cadet that we used Lee Enfield .22s, then they all got taken away and replaced with pellet rifles Last year we taught some seniors the shooting package from BMQ over the course of a month. Took them to the range and let 'em rip with the C7s (In a safe and controlled manner, of course!) This year, machine guns  (Assuming someone higher doesn't take offence at the Army cadets doing... Army things? Apparently the C7s were quite the stretch last year, but it seems one of our affiliated corps CO's has some clout. I'm not exactly acclimatized to the Cadet Politics, I just help train them to be child sol- fine upstanding members of Canadian society on occasion)
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Aug 14, 2015 19:25
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I take issue with that. There's hardly any ammo for training in the reserves and Cadets are being given C9/C6s? That's full-on bullshit. Not to mention that if one of them got hurt (somehow I dunno teenagers are dumb as gently caress) the media furor would be stupendous. Cadets have no business whatsoever being near an LMG.
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Aug 14, 2015 19:41
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I put a former cadet through BMQ and BMQ-L and he was better with firearms due to his cadet experience than some of the full-time infantry guys I've worked with. Seriously if you're gonna bash on cadets for being under-trained noncombatants undeserving of uniform and fancy guns you may as well lump 80% of the CAF trades (and 99% of the reserves) in with them as well. Or everyone could just be treated with respect equally.
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Aug 14, 2015 20:22
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MA-Horus posted:I take issue with that. Having spent some time planning around this at the unit level, I'm not so sure if there really is a lack of small arms ammunition kicking around the system. The limiting factor seems to be the training budget. We can't pay soldiers to shoot our ammo allotment, so a large part of it goes unused as weird as it might sound. I worked with some Artillery comrades this last summer. Their allotments for the coming training year are abysmal. Something like 150 rounds for the guns and nothing for the mortars, again at the unit level. e: This is speaking from a militia perspective of course. Nofeed fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Aug 14, 2015 20:32
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Nofeed posted:I worked with some Artillery comrades this last summer. Their allotments for the coming training year are abysmal. Something like 150 rounds for the guns and nothing for the mortars, again at the unit level. There's a reason for that and it's not training budget. It's not opsec but it is something you don't really want to discuss on the internet.
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Aug 14, 2015 23:59
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DrakeriderCa posted:The National Rifle Team? No, they should have been back weeks ago. Probably one of the exchanges. I hope it wasn't the NRT. Don't ruin my alma mater, stinking teenagers! Certainly sounds like them.
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Aug 15, 2015 02:26
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Ultimate Shrek Fan posted:There's a reason for that and it's not training budget. It's not opsec but it is something you don't really want to discuss on the internet. Yeah, it involves the C3's advanced age catching up with them finally. And the RCA making GBS threads a collective brick. And there is a very, very large difference between a cadet and a reservist. The largest one being, a cadet is a child. I feel it is irresonsible to give a child a machine gun under any circumstances.
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Aug 15, 2015 16:08
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Reserve artillery is hosed beyond belief. Regimental Mafias are still going strong though, I can think of at least one regiment that has more museum pieces than working guns.To wit, 6lbr, 17lbr, two old-timey muzzle loaders, 25lbr, 155 M1. Meanwhile at least half of their mortars and guns are down at any given time. Also 42 FD is incapable of storing or maintaining their own guns, so 2 Horse has to take care of them. I kind of want things to get so bad that they just throw in the towel and give 777s to the Reserves to simplify training and maintenance. Alternatively, ADATS and M109s pulled out of War Storage. The comedy value alone would be worth it.
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Aug 15, 2015 17:20
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Frosted Flake posted:Also 42 FD is incapable of storing or maintaining their own guns, so 2 Horse has to take care of them. How What They're not capable of STORING their guns? Do they not have a gun park any more? What in the sweet gently caress?
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Aug 16, 2015 20:54
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42 is still out of their armouries from when they were a Highland unit, so it's one of those old brick buildings, and not at all designed to store guns. I think they used to have to get them into and out of the basement somehow. It's easier for them to leave the guns on base and drive in from Pembroke for exercises.  Reserve artillery is a joke anyways, and 42 got re-rolled in 2006 very bitterly so I'm willing to cut them some slack. The state that 7 Tor, 11, 30 etc. are in is way less excusable. I wonder if 5 Div has it any better, they got all the LGs after they were dumped to the school in Gagetown. I think that was a ploy to cannibalize all their C3s for parts.
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Aug 16, 2015 22:24
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I read that as "reverse artillery" and now I think a giant magnet that could attract incoming fire would be cool.
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Aug 16, 2015 23:01
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flakeloaf posted:A giant magnet that could attract incoming fire would be cool. Should be easy enough to get into Armoured Recce.
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Aug 17, 2015 00:03
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From everything I hear 11 is in a very poo poo state. Of course everyone has a stiff upper lip about it but it seems that things are just beyond lovely.
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Aug 17, 2015 00:42
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Has anyone here worked in or with int before? From the outside looking in it seems like a cool trade but I want someone to convince me that it sucks before I talk to the PSO about knowing more.
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Aug 17, 2015 13:46
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Yeah, but they return from the UK in late July or early August. The Maple Leaf and Scotland exchanges come back later, which fits the timeline better. MA-Horus posted:Yeah, it involves the C3's advanced age catching up with them finally. And the RCA making GBS threads a collective brick.  "Child" usually describes kids 12 yrs old and younger. Cadets are 12-18, which makes them teenagers, which is a huge difference from children. They're fully capable of handling machine guns while supervised. Having been in both cadets and the mo, I can assure you that I trained with cadets who were more physically able and emotionally mature than some 24 yr old infantrymen. Making sweeping assertions about either is pointless. When I was 16 I was shooting a fullbore target rifle at 1000 yards more accurately than probably 95% of the CF could. But I'm probably misremembering because I was a child. BIG NORTH posted:Has anyone here worked in or with int before? From the outside looking in it seems like a cool trade but I want someone to convince me that it sucks before I talk to the PSO about knowing more. I was INT when I was in. What do you want to know? It's like every other trade - 5% of the jobs are cool as hell, and 95% are boring.
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Aug 17, 2015 17:19
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More or less was wondering what day to day is like, which you probably can't go into great detail about. I'm supply right now and I am sick of the trade, just weighing options. The spec world looks appealing right now (AVN).
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Aug 17, 2015 17:35
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The reserves are in the media today - this time, it's from a campaign promise to increase their size from 24,000 to 30,000 over the next four years. http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/topstories/stephen-harper-pledges-expansion-of-military-reserves-1.3193200 There was some noise in there about budgets for the reserves as well. Does anyone here have any comments about this?
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Aug 17, 2015 18:56
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David Corbett posted:The reserves are in the media today - this time, it's from a campaign promise to increase their size from 24,000 to 30,000 over the next four years. Well, I've stopped putting a shred of faith in to things that are actual official government announcements, not sure why I should give the time of day something that's just a campaign promise.
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Aug 18, 2015 00:44
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David Corbett posted:The reserves are in the media today - this time, it's from a campaign promise to increase their size from 24,000 to 30,000 over the next four years. I'm of the opinion that he'll probably continue his existing policy towards the military.
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A plan to increase the number of underequipped, underdressed, out-of-practice troops by 25%? That'll be accompanied by a corresponding boost to Veterans' Affairs too right?
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