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Burt
Sep 23, 2007

Poke.



Probably preaching to the choir here but get a Murmansk for your grinding needs. Two games today, I made over 7k exp and 600k credits. It is just beastly.

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cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Michi88 posted:

I had the exact opposite, where a t9 cv targeted me all game and i shot down like 30-40 planes and almost lived through the whole thing with a few bb kills and some cruisers....
Ya, but isn't that the point? You can stomp on planes that are 2 or 1 tier below you, do well against planes your tier, maybe do ok against +1 although it takes mad skills and some luck, and you get completely hosed by planes +2 tiers. The tier difference is massive because AA is all dps of AA vs health of plane based. I can beat other ships partially through my own skill, but AA vs CV's just turns into a simple numbers game where I am only marginally more effective than a random scrub because I know to try to turn into TBs and to select an enemy squad for bonus damage.

James Garfield posted:

Huh. Apparently this patch adds models and stats for USS Worcester :swoon:, some US cruiser with 4x3 8" guns and torpedo launchers, the Kamikaze class destroyer (looks like a premium Minekaze) and a Pensacola as originally built.
I can't say no to the tier 10 looking ships, especially a tier 10 light cruiser, but I can't see the other two being anything but :geno: premium ships.
I think they realized the Des Moines as is isn't balanced very well and it seems like the Worcester will replace it. Both US/IJN tier X heavy cruisers will then feature 4x3 8" batteries, although I thought it didnt have torps?

cheese fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Aug 14, 2015

Servicio en Espanol
Feb 5, 2009

cheese posted:


I think they realized the Des Moines as is isn't balanced very well and it seems like the Worcester will replace it. Both US/IJN tier X heavy cruisers will then feature 4x3 8" batteries, although I thought it didnt have torps?


Eventually two US Cruiser lines? Maybe split into a light cruiser and a heavy cruiser branch?

Pharnakes
Aug 14, 2009

cheese posted:



I think they realized the Des Moines as is isn't balanced very well and it seems like the Worcester will replace it. Both US/IJN tier X heavy cruisers will then feature 4x3 8" batteries, although I thought it didnt have torps?

Worcesters didn't have 4x3 8" guns either though, they had 6x2 6". And no torpedoes either.

E: If they think the Des Monies is over performing (it probably is) just knock the ROF down a little. Removing it entirely would be typical wargaming balancing though I suppose.

Pharnakes fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Aug 15, 2015

MREBoy
Mar 14, 2005

MREs - They're whats for breakfast, lunch AND dinner !
How to Cleveland.replay ?

Me, Sporks and Woodchip in a triple Cleveland division and I somehow wind up the last person on our team. YOU ARE OUR LAST HOPE somehow makes me go :ssj: in my Cleveland, wreck things, I finally get taken out by a 3k HP remaining Kawachi (at 700hp myself). Good stuff is the last 5-7 minutes of the match. "God Dams!" and "Holy Shits! everywhere and I still have no idea how the gently caress I dodged those torps.

http://www.mreboy.com/wot/20150814_191243_PASC007-Cleveland-1945_16_OC_bees_to_honey.wowsreplay

I personally start freaking out at the end so please excuse the chat spasms.

MREBoy fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Aug 15, 2015

AngrySpork
Nov 9, 2003

The most powerful voice in gaming

MREBoy posted:

How to Cleveland.replay ?

Me, Sporks and Woodchip in a triple Cleveland division and I somehow wind up the last person on our team. YOU ARE OUR LAST HOPE somehow makes me go :ssj: in my Cleveland, wreck things, I finally get taken out by a 3k HP remaining Kawachi (at 700hp myself). Good stuff is the last 5-7 minutes of the match. "God Dams!" and "Holy Shits! everywhere and I still have no idea how the gently caress I dodged those torps.

http://www.mreboy.com/wot/20150814_191243_PASC007-Cleveland-1945_16_OC_bees_to_honey.wowsreplay

I personally start freaking out at the end so please excuse the chat spasms.

That was such a fun match, you were SO loving close to winning it too. Great fun. (ps gently caress you for being so good)

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Pharnakes posted:

Worcesters didn't have 4x3 8" guns either though, they had 6x2 6". And no torpedoes either.

E: If they think the Des Monies is over performing (it probably is) just knock the ROF down a little. Removing it entirely would be typical wargaming balancing though I suppose.
Maybe I'm thinking of the USS Buffalo then and the Worcester is the light CA? There was supposedly some data mining and one of them is definitely a tier X CA that has 4x3 8"s like the Zao.
A Des Moines with a lower RoF is literally a Batlimore though, no? All of the non-CV Tier X's get something that is noticeable change compared to the Tier 9 in the line. That would break the mold with the USN CAs.

Servicio en Espanol posted:

Eventually two US Cruiser lines? Maybe split into a light cruiser and a heavy cruiser branch?
That seemed to be the idea. USN certainly has a lot of ships to use.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

The Kongo is long range, fast, its turret turn time is painful, and the guns do not seem to like penetrating armor. I had a game with 40 shell hits that only did 34000 damage. Granted, I got so used to the Myogi's incredibly slow bullets I'm probably just not shooting that accurately, yet.

It's definitely an improvement, I just need to get used to the new boat. The Myogi gives you stockholm's after awhile.

Blinks77
Feb 15, 2012

Burt posted:

Probably preaching to the choir here but get a Murmansk for your grinding needs. Two games today, I made over 7k exp and 600k credits. It is just beastly.

It's so very very good at seal clubbing, that i got two. Well... i kept my Omaha at least.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

cheese posted:

Maybe I'm thinking of the USS Buffalo then and the Worcester is the light CA? There was supposedly some data mining and one of them is definitely a tier X CA that has 4x3 8"s like the Zao.

Yeah. Buffalo is a (paper) tier 10 cruiser with 4x3 8" and a quadruple torpedo launcher on each side. It doesn't appear to get the rapid fire guns from Des Moines, its main guns are Mark 15 and Des Moines' are 16.
Worcester is a tier 10 cruiser with 6x2 6" dual purpose guns, and 24 of the same 3" guns as Des Moines. It has 6 km AA range and the guns are apparently 12 rpm.

I think replacing Des Moines with Worcester would be too dumb even for Wargaming, and considering the torpedoes Buffalo looks at least partly imaginary. I doubt either of them is a replacement.

Junkozeyne
Feb 13, 2012
Man for all the people complaining so much about Carriers they have either not made it above tier5 or I don't know. The Tier 6 Cruisers have enough AA to wreck your poo poo if you so much as glance at them and EU at least has a lot of US CV with Fighter loadout.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Junkozeyne posted:

Man for all the people complaining so much about Carriers they have either not made it above tier5 or I don't know. The Tier 6 Cruisers have enough AA to wreck your poo poo if you so much as glance at them and EU at least has a lot of US CV with Fighter loadout.

Correction: The Cleveland will wreck your poo poo.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!
For anyone who's interested:


Go to <your install directory>\res\texts\ru\LC_MESSAGES, back up the global.mo file, and replace it with this.
If I can be bothered to think of names and descriptions for all the ships I'll release a full modpack on the official forums.

Hazdoc
Nov 8, 2012

Muscovy Ducks are a large tropical breed, famous for their lean and extremely flavorful meat.

Hazduck!

~SMcD

Today is going to be a good day. It seems pubbies forgot how to escort their battleships or what torpedoes do.
This match gave me a REALLY good example of an open water rush on a BB for US DDs, perhaps I'll make a tutorial for it.

Kuntz
Feb 17, 2011
What's the point of catapult fighters? They seem to be mostly a distraction to actual fighter squadrons, even with your AA helping them, and don't increase your firing range at all. Do they make torpedo bombers gently caress up their spread or something?

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.

Kuntz posted:

What's the point of catapult fighters? They seem to be mostly a distraction to actual fighter squadrons, even with your AA helping them, and don't increase your firing range at all. Do they make torpedo bombers gently caress up their spread or something?
Just a little bonus AA damage. They are actually really tough and I believe can spot for you.

Dark Helmut
Jul 24, 2004

All growns up
And make your loving air-launched torpedoes go wide spread at the last loving SECOND.

yaay
Aug 4, 2006

to Accursed 2 leave armour

Night10194 posted:

The Kongo is long range, fast, its turret turn time is painful, and the guns do not seem to like penetrating armor. I had a game with 40 shell hits that only did 34000 damage. Granted, I got so used to the Myogi's incredibly slow bullets I'm probably just not shooting that accurately, yet.

It's definitely an improvement, I just need to get used to the new boat. The Myogi gives you stockholm's after awhile.

I landed a citadel on a colorado from 18k out in one game and got 3 more on a Very Bad nagato in brawling range in another. Dispersion rng just likes to gently caress with you every now and again

Psawhn
Jan 15, 2011

Night10194 posted:

It's definitely an improvement, I just need to get used to the new boat. The Myogi gives you stockholm's after awhile.

My winrate in the Kongo is almost half that of the Myogi. I thought my Kongo was cursed until I had a two-dozen game losing streak in the Wyoming. (I'm trying to get that out of the way before WG nerfs it into the ground with a 12 km gun range).

Okay, maybe not literally a 24-game lose-streak... as do have 3 or 4 victories spread among almost those 25 games.

I seriously have no idea what the gently caress is going on. I guess I've somehow magically become the worst pubbie ever, such that my mere presence on a team is worse than an empty slot.

MREBoy
Mar 14, 2005

MREs - They're whats for breakfast, lunch AND dinner !
0.4.1 Test Screenshot -



:drat:

Apparently that's why they start everyone with tons of silver but no free XP. Quickest T7 -> T8 grind ever ! :v:

TheDemon
Dec 11, 2006

...on the plus side I'm feeling much more angry now than I expected so this totally helps me get in character.

Kuntz posted:

What's the point of catapult fighters? They seem to be mostly a distraction to actual fighter squadrons, even with your AA helping them, and don't increase your firing range at all. Do they make torpedo bombers gently caress up their spread or something?

Yes, a single catapult fighter attacking a torp squad fucks the spread exactly the same as a full squadron of fighters or the activated AA ability. If the enemy carrier doesn't use fighters to knock yours down it's a massive boon to air defense.

Having one circling is also good for vision at times, especially destroyers or smoke. Especially if you time the launch right and know where the orbit is going to begin.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.
Can't seem to logon to test server.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

cheese posted:

Correction: The Cleveland will wreck your poo poo.

The Cleveland wrecks everyone's poo poo.

UV_Catastrophe
Dec 29, 2008

Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are,

"It might have been."
Pillbug
Grinding the Kawachi tonight to try out the IJN BB line.



I'm slowly losing the will to live.

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler

UV_Catastrophe posted:

Grinding the Kawachi tonight to try out the IJN BB line.



I'm slowly losing the will to live.

Turn back! It gets worse!

Servicio en Espanol
Feb 5, 2009
Got the Pensacola tonight. First map, the Ice map, which was weird and fun. First salvo at another Pensacola citadeled it and gave me a kill, which was nice and a kinda depressing reminder of how fragile this thing is supposed to be.

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats
Which premium ship is better for grinding? The Murmansk or the Atlanta? I imagine they are both fun to play

Michi88
Sep 15, 2012

Still a Pubbie Magnet
How does it work!?
:livintrope:

Raged posted:

Which premium ship is better for grinding? The Murmansk or the Atlanta? I imagine they are both fun to play

Murmansk is a good ship, Atlanta is situational.

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.
Murmansk will basically always be able to compete in the games it gets. It has great range, good guns and very effective torpedoes for its tier. The Atlanta will find itself in tier 8/9 heavy games where it can't do a mother loving thing but AA screen for other ships and then try to get close late in the round. Its range is poor and it has a hard time leading its shot to even reach its max range.

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten

cheese posted:

Murmansk will basically always be able to compete in the games it gets. It has great range, good guns and very effective torpedoes for its tier. The Atlanta will find itself in tier 8/9 heavy games where it can't do a mother loving thing but AA screen for other ships and then try to get close late in the round. Its range is poor and it has a hard time leading its shot to even reach its max range.

Yeah putting an Atlanta in the same game as a Mogami is basically "get hosed" unless you get super-lucky.

TehKeen
May 24, 2006

Maybe she's born with it.
Maybe it's
cosmoline.


The Atlanta is basically a larger, slower, T7 US DD without a smokescreen and bitchin' AA. A bit like a DL (destroyer leader, before they got reclassified to frigates in '75).

Wikipedia actually had this to say:

wikipedia article on destroyer leaders posted:

The first destroyer leader USS Norfolk was authorized in 1948 and laid down in 1949 as an anti-submarine hunter killer cruiser based on the Atlanta-class anti-aircraft cruiser.

Reading up on different ship classifications and roles in really interesting. :)

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!
As I remember, the Atlanta class themselves were originally intended as destroyer leaders until it turned out that they were bad at surface combat and good at AA.

Murmansk is a slightly better Omaha, and Omaha is already a contender for best tier 5. It'll never be stuck in a fight where it can't contribute, and it's usually good at winning games.

UV_Catastrophe
Dec 29, 2008

Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are,

"It might have been."
Pillbug
I've found that the Kawachi is halfway tolerable if:

1) You have the range upgrade

and

2) You sneak into ongoing fights to shoot people after they've already developed tunnel vision

Washout
Jun 27, 2003

"Your toy soldiers are not pigmented to my scrupulous standards. As a result, you are not worthy of my time. Good day sir"

UV_Catastrophe posted:

I've found that the Kawachi is halfway tolerable if:

1) You have the range upgrade

and

2) You sneak into ongoing fights to shoot people after they've already developed tunnel vision

It's too bad that the Myogi is even bad and terrible compared to the Kawachi... So be prepared for it to get much worse. Someday I might free xp past the Myogi but today is not that day.

Bitter Beard
Sep 11, 2001

I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing!!

Burt posted:

Probably preaching to the choir here but get a Murmansk for your grinding needs. Two games today, I made over 7k exp and 600k credits. It is just beastly.

Is it better then Omaha with premium status once everything is unlocked? How is Omaha > Murmansk?

Also thanks Seekhay for hooking me up with a code, really appreciate it the ship is fantastic.

Reztes
Jun 20, 2003

Also does it get preferential matchmaking like WoT premiums?

I'm so close to pulling the trigger on that Murmansk bundle others have linked before, I just get a little paranoid buying from 3rd party key sellers for some reason.

Washout
Jun 27, 2003

"Your toy soldiers are not pigmented to my scrupulous standards. As a result, you are not worthy of my time. Good day sir"

Reztes posted:

Also does it get preferential matchmaking like WoT premiums?

I'm so close to pulling the trigger on that Murmansk bundle others have linked before, I just get a little paranoid buying from 3rd party key sellers for some reason.

We don't know yet, has anyone done solo queue with the murmansk? If so do you ever see tier 6 ships?

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!

Washout posted:

We don't know yet, has anyone done solo queue with the murmansk? If so do you ever see tier 6 ships?

Its got regular matchmaking, but its still perfectly capable of dealing with higher tier matches thanks to the plane giving it increased range. Also, links to the stats on those new american cruisers?

cheese
Jan 7, 2004

Shop around for doctors! Always fucking shop for doctors. Doctors are stupid assholes. And they get by because people are cowed by their mystical bullshit quality of being able to maintain a 3.0 GPA at some Guatemalan medical college for 3 semesters. Find one that makes sense.
How do they fix the bullshit draw rate? I feel like its somehow worse now that I'm in a tier 9 ship.

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grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
I don't think Murmansk has preferential matchmaking. Definitely face tier 6-7 ships and maybe 8s.

cheese posted:

How do they fix the bullshit draw rate? I feel like its somehow worse now that I'm in a tier 9 ship.
Get rid of Standard battle completely and change Encounter so that if time runs out, whoever is capping wins.

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