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ruby idiot railed posted:Somebody's already talked about the WiFi thing (I'm not sure the attribution to the problem is correct, however) but here's the Video app thing: Ah, that makes sense. I've never seen it, but I've got a ton of storage that I don't use. Tunga posted:No no no no no, stop, this is not what you seem to think it is. Writing unit tests and peer-reviewing check-ins is something that should be done alongside actual QA. "Programatically proving code works" does nothing to avoid usability/UI issues, identify test gaps, or account for the tons of issues you end up having on platforms like Android, where code that works on emulators or a test framework will fail on some devices.
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uninterrupted posted:Writing unit tests and peer-reviewing check-ins is something that should be done alongside actual QA. "Programatically proving code works" does nothing to avoid usability/UI issues, identify test gaps, or account for the tons of issues you end up having on platforms like Android, where code that works on emulators or a test framework will fail on some devices.
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quote:"but one victim group appears to have been the dedicated programmatic testers in the Operating Systems Group (OSG), as OSG is following Bing's lead and moving to a combined engineering approach. Prior to these cuts, Testing/QA staff was in some parts of the company outnumbering developers by about two to one. Afterward, the ratio was closer to one to one. As a precursor to these layoffs and the shifting roles of development and testing, the OSG renamed its test team to "Quality." From the last page and I don't know the validity of that above, but it seems like that's precisely what Microsoft is doing? A ratio of QA staff/developers of one-to-one combined with other methods.
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MrBond posted:This is probably best discussed in the IOS threads but does said usage show up in Usage settings? Yep, it shows up in Usage under "Other", but Video.app stream caching is what causes it.
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The way OEMs are going I'm seriously concerned that a sane user's options are grab a Nexus, deal with CyanogenMod's bullshit, or just switch to iPhone. And since being the kind of idiot who gets what CyanogenMod even is makes me an exception to a bunch of rules and Google hasn't even wrangled StageFright yet, if I'm Google I should be really really worried about how attractive that last option looks. uninterrupted posted:"Programatically proving code works" does nothing to avoid usability/UI issues, identify test gaps, or account for the tons of issues you end up having on platforms like Android, where code that works on emulators or a test framework will fail on some devices. Usability issues can only be tested against actual users and OEMs aren't going to stop doing Weird/Bad poo poo until you threaten their Google Play privileges.
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Sir Unimaginative posted:The way OEMs are going I'm seriously concerned that a sane user's options are grab a Nexus, deal with CyanogenMod's bullshit, or just switch to iPhone. Yep, Apple's devops skills is a bigger garbage fire than either other party but at least when something majorly scary comes up they can push out a fix fast (and then, repeatedly, until it works).
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Android really needs the clout to tell the carriers to fuckoff. They get a look at the radio code or a radio black box, but the rest of the phone needs to be totally independent. The protocols for talking to a cell tower are complex, but should be well agreed upon at this point.
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Looking to replace my iPhone 5C and I'm considering giving Android a shot, mostly since it seems like I can get a phone of comparable quality to an iPhone for several hundred dollars less off-contract. The main ones I'm looking at are the Moto G, Moto X Pure, and the Alcatel Idol 3 (both 4.7" and 5.5" models). The main thing I'm hesitating about is how quickly I will be able to get OS updates on a given phone. I assume the Moto X Pure, since it runs stock Android, will be able to get software updates as soon as Google releases them; does the same apply to the Moto G even though it has some custom Motorola apps? What about Alcatel? Do they have a good track record when it comes to pushing updates in a timely manner? All of these phones would be purchased unlocked and off-contract, so carrier interference is (I assume) a non-issue.
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ilkhan posted:Android really needs the clout to tell the carriers to fuckoff. They get a look at the radio code or a radio black box, but the rest of the phone needs to be totally independent. That's not really an Android issue, it's an OEM issue. Until OEMs completely sever ties with carriers and say "hey, we're going to do this device sales thing 100% on our own and you can just handle service", not a hell of a lot is going to change. That's one of the reasons why the 2015 Moto X was going to be so important and the big reason why I'm so bummed now. It really is so silly. You don't walk into a Comcast store and say "Hey, I'm going to get some cable service, let's take a look at the TVs I can buy to go with it!" Your electricity provider doesn't have a showroom of fridges that are certified compatible for the electric grid. I would be 100% in favor of legislation that said that telcos can only sell hardware out of their stores if that store was treated as a completely and totally different subsidiary that was not allowed to directly coordinate with the service side of sales. Edit: Unless google is trolling us, it looks like M = Marshmallow. http://phandroid.com/2015/08/14/google-android-m-reveal-teaser/ bull3964 fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Aug 14, 2015 |
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Moto has a much better track record the Alcatel. Alcatel was for all intents and purposes a non entity prior to the one touch idol 3 so we really can't say there. FWIW the idol 3 IS a really good phone right now from the little I've used one , but updates etc solely depend on Alcatel.
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I've got a Nexus 6 and I'm looking for portable battery pack options. I'd like something relatively small, but my current 6000mah unit only charges at 500mA/5v which doesn't put much of a dent on my Nexus 6 especially if I'm using it. I'd love some QC2 compatible that is still small enough to fit into a pocket. Or at least something that'll charge my N6 quickly even if it isn't QC2 compatible. The times I can really use the battery are usually times when I also want to use the phone.
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The rear end Stooge posted:Looking to replace my iPhone 5C and I'm considering giving Android a shot, mostly since it seems like I can get a phone of comparable quality to an iPhone for several hundred dollars less off-contract. The main ones I'm looking at are the Moto G, Moto X Pure, and the Alcatel Idol 3 (both 4.7" and 5.5" models). The main thing I'm hesitating about is how quickly I will be able to get OS updates on a given phone. I assume the Moto X Pure, since it runs stock Android, will be able to get software updates as soon as Google releases them; does the same apply to the Moto G even though it has some custom Motorola apps? What about Alcatel? Do they have a good track record when it comes to pushing updates in a timely manner? All of these phones would be purchased unlocked and off-contract, so carrier interference is (I assume) a non-issue.
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The rear end Stooge posted:Looking to replace my iPhone 5C and I'm considering giving Android a shot, mostly since it seems like I can get a phone of comparable quality to an iPhone for several hundred dollars less off-contract. The main ones I'm looking at are the Moto G, Moto X Pure, and the Alcatel Idol 3 (both 4.7" and 5.5" models). The main thing I'm hesitating about is how quickly I will be able to get OS updates on a given phone. I assume the Moto X Pure, since it runs stock Android, will be able to get software updates as soon as Google releases them; does the same apply to the Moto G even though it has some custom Motorola apps? What about Alcatel? Do they have a good track record when it comes to pushing updates in a timely manner? All of these phones would be purchased unlocked and off-contract, so carrier interference is (I assume) a non-issue.
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hooah posted:What are you doing that you think your phone doesn't have enough oomph? I know this was directed a different poster, but I actually do have an issue with my own Droid Turbo in a specific application. It's a mobile web app (as in, can also be opened with a phone's web browser) that's been packed into a native app wrapper. It runs like butte, with massive frame rate hiccups, frame skipping, and greatly delayed touch response. None of these issues happen on the iOS wrapper on both iPhone 6 and iPod touch 6th, it's almost like the original desktop browser experience on that platform, with the exception of a couple of hurdles I'll mention below. Just to keep the frame of reference in check, mobile web apps seem like they're pretty slow on my Android vs. iOS in general. If someone would be kind enough to explain, I'd like to know the following, or I'd appreciate it if I could be directed to the right (programming?) thread for these issues: -Why the huge difference in performance? Again, this is Motorola flagship vs. iOS, but I've never been in the loop w/r/t how mobile OSs are optimized and how a Snapdragon 805 compares to Apple's A8 in terms of applying the metal to the app. (On this note, I was wondering if this post should be in the iPhone thread instead.) For what it's worth, I pulled up the CPU usage overlay while using the Android wrapper and it's hardly giving the app any effort, something like 10%-15% over two cores. Does it also have to do with the huge number of pixels on the Turbo's display as well? -Is there a decent workaround to all this to stay mobile without an iOS device? Because on the other side of the fence, I've encountered some issues with both the iP6 and the iPt6th in that the edges of the touch screen simply don't like my fingers and the iOS wrapper doesn't play audio automatically (which from what I can tell is because Apple specifically designs their browsers this way? Someone correct me on this) which requires me to tap the screen every time the app changes pages, which it does often enough to be annoying. Also the typical having to move to a new environment, etc. Anyways, I've tried such things as Puffin Browser to try and stream the app instead of using my on-phone resources, but again it's not a particularly adequate experience because it's not very high-bandwidth and still (pretty sure) no audio. (And I still get drawing issues on it, too.) I was never aware that there was so much of a disparity in how well native apps and non-native apps ran on Android. I understand that effortposts are an odd use of time to explain to someone who probably doesn't give a drat otherwise, but I've gotten curious enough about the mobile side of the IT/elec. engineering tech headache to start obsessing over devices and such, so you'd be doing my mental health a favor!  tl;dr: "why does this browser game suck balls on my Turbo compared to iPhone/iPod" but that kind of question post doesn't get informative responses. Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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So I killed my Turbo today at work. Dropped it on some jagged steel screen down and shattered it good. It's stuck in a boot loop now with no picture at all. Took it to Verizon on my lunch break and luckily a couple reps there had heard about the free one time replacement Moto offers us special snowflakes, and got the ball rolling on that for me. Being that I have insurance also, they overnighted me a "certified like new" replacement but I may not have it until Monday what with the weekend. Two of the reps there tried to tell me Motorola offers no such thing and that I didn't have insurance so maybe this belongs in the Verizon thread but just a heads up for you Turbo folk.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:It runs like butte I assume you mean "butter" and forgot a letter?
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it's time for goon ridicule! the app is Granblue Fantasy. The game inside the wrapper is launched at this URL (requires you to be on a phone/emulating a phone of course), and the native app wrapper is found here for Android (requires a Japanese Google account/VPN if you're not in that country iirc) and here for iOS (requires an Apple ID with region set to Japan) RVProfootballer posted:I assume you mean "butter" and forgot a letter? in the sense that butter is disgusting slimy sometimes-fermented animal leavings, yes Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:it's time for goon ridicule! Careful, you don't want to upset big butter in these parts.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:it's time for goon ridicule! This reminds me, does the iOS anime soccer titty game exist on android? Because you might want to save yourself some time and move to that.
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So basically everything other then a nexus is a piece of poo poo that will never be updated and suck...thanks goons.
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For those with the Note 4, do you think its worth $399? Looks like I can pick up a refurbished Unlocked AT&T Note 4 on eBay for $399. Although I'll probably wait until the new Moto X is reviewed, since it's sitting at the same price point.
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My iPhone 6 committed suicide by jumping off a boat and I needed a fast & cheap replacement but didn't want to shrink my screen too much, so I'm now the proud owner of a 1st generation Moto X. Purchased used, off eBay, from a seller who apparently offloads old stock that was returned to Motorola but not refurbished. I think I got a dud? Battery was dead on arrival, and while it can function while plugged in, I just let it charge for an hour and the battery is still showing 1%. I can get a replacement (the seller seems to have a decent swap / return policy if there's a problem with the phone they sell you) but its going to take some time. While I sit here wringing my hands over my device, can anyone tell me if phone batteries can behave like this if they're left run down for long amounts of time, but will eventually hold at least some charge if left plugged in ... Overnight? I mean I'm going to find out either way, but if someone here has experience with this issue or some knowledge about it, lay it on me. Also, what's the newest version of Android that this thing can run, smoothly? Edit: I also just cut up the SIM that was in my Nokia 635 backup phone so it would fit in the Moto X. This wouldn't have any effect on the battery and I'm retarded if I would even consider such a thing... Right? SMERSH Mouth fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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SMERSH Mouth posted:My iPhone 6 committed suicide by jumping off a boat and I needed a fast & cheap replacement but didn't want to shrink my screen too much, so I'm now the proud owner of a 1st generation Moto X. Purchased used, off eBay, from a seller who apparently offloads old stock that was returned to Motorola but not refurbished. Just exchange the phone, the battery shouldn't be doing that. You should probably be running version 4.4.4.
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bull3964 posted:Unless google is trolling us, it looks like M = Marshmallow. The boyfriend and I are rooting for Android Meatball. 
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uninterrupted posted:This reminds me, does the iOS anime soccer titty game exist on android? Because you might want to save yourself some time and move to that. 
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Whenever there's any change in Motorola this thread immediately has a collective nervous breakdown. There's nothing in that article that suggests that their phones are gonna be any worse than the current offerings, despite its hyperbolic nature. As good as their phones are, Motorola has been a moneypit for years and any company that buys it for its mobile business (as opposed to Google who only wanted the patents) must implement changes if they ever hope to achieve profitability.
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Desk Lamp posted:There's nothing in that article that suggests that their phones are gonna be any worse than the current offerings, despite its hyperbolic nature. They fired the Motorola engineers who made all the good software and are replacing them with Chinese engineers from Lenovo, the current worst company in the technology sector.
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Whizbang posted:They fired the Motorola engineers who made all the good software and are replacing them with Chinese engineers from Lenovo, the current worst company in the technology sector. I think that's a little unfair. Everyone in the commodity technology sector is terrible. It's a loser's game, after all.
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vyst posted:With the exception of the lock screen you can literally phase out every element of touchwiz with apps now. I did that with my Note 3. It is still not as smooth an experience as pure android, not even close.
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LionYeti posted:So basically everything other then a nexus is a piece of poo poo that will never be updated and suck...thanks goons. Not quite, lots of goons are going goon gaga over their turbo-tastic Droid Turbos. Granted, they have to stay on Verizon, who isn't all that cool about non-branded phones being allowed on their network, so they may have a sample size problem. People also really like their Moto X-es, though even the latest available generation is starting to age a bit. However, the Moto G is decidedly a non-poo poo phone in its own right and a good deal at its price point. The Nexus 5 and 6 are absolutely decent phones and will get timely updates and such, but they aren't the only decent phones out there. Once you start wanting to get something new (as in not used) under $700 off contract, then sure, the N5 or 6 are probably the best bang for your buck. Stuff from Samsung requires an... acquired taste given the touchwhiz. Motorola's non-Droid offerings are fairly solid, and I guess their Droid ones would be too but you have to deal with Verizon's baggage. In short, no, not everything non-Nexus is poo poo but the farther you get from a Nexus in terms of carrier/manufacturer loving-around-with the more poo poo it becomes with regard to updates. Just don't expect a great camera.
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LastInLine posted:I think that's a little unfair. Everyone in the commodity technology sector is terrible. It's a loser's game, after all. Selling out the root certificates on a year's worth of laptops for a quarter-mil and leaving an honest-to-Xenu rootkit in the slack space of their late-model EFI stack make for a special kind of rear end in a top hat, though. And, absent evidence to the contrary, we have to assume those are the kind of people Lenovo's sending in to replace the Motorola do-stuff people. LionYeti posted:So basically everything other then a nexus is a piece of poo poo that will never be updated and suck...thanks goons. Worse. If you have a Nexus, or some other phone with unlockable bootloaders and factory images, you'll still probably end up using CyanogenMod at some point because someone isn't on the ball security-wise  or the device was abandoned before it was actually obsolete or something.If it doesn't have that level of access exposed to the user, you could be stuck with whatever the manufacturer or carrier leaves you, or digging through XDA, which are merely two different sides of the same coin valued at just screwed. Maybe Google will, at some point, sack up and exile anyone who won't separate security and platform capability stuff from manufacturer/carrier value-add or who won't make their apps compatible with Google Account app data backup. Maybe they'll just bring ChromeOS (complete with extensions) down to tablet and phone form factors. This would at least be more in the spirit of the rest of Google and make their device strategy less schizophrenic. But the current state of things cannot stand. dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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If Sony weren't so slow in releasing software updates for their handsets, I'd recommend them. I love my Xperia Z3 Compact - it's got relatively few additions on top of stock Android and it runs really well. For unbranded Z3 devices though, they just started receiving Android 5.1.1 last month. I don' t know if Sony spent the interim addressing any performance problems or whatever with 5.1.1. Certainly. 5.0.2, which Sony released around April time as its first public Lollipop build, eventually suffered from bad redraws on the home screen and would kick apps out of RAM quicker than you can say boohoo. On 5.1.1, though, the Z3 Compact is absolute buttery joy to use. There's no stutter anywhere in the interface that I've come across, I haven't had any redraws, and more apps are kept in memory for longer. There's another goon in the thread that's had Bluetooth audio issues with the Z3 Compact. I suppose that's the thing with Android phones, there's usually something that prevents it from being nigh-on perfect.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:it's time for goon ridicule! Does it behave the same in the Chrome browser on android?
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Sir Unimaginative posted:Selling out the root certificates on a year's worth of laptops for a quarter-mil and leaving an honest-to-Xenu rootkit in the slack space of their late-model EFI stack make for a special kind of rear end in a top hat, though. True, that's lovely, but then Samsung laptops were disabling Windows Update altogether so that it wouldn't update a driver. My point is that when there is absolutely no money to be made selling something, if you want that something to be available for purchase the shortfall has to come from somewhere. If it wasn't Superfish it'd have been something else and even when it's not Superfish it's antivirus trials and adware bundled into the system image and stickers all over the case. The fact is there isn't money in making commodity devices. On the PC side, we know where that money has to come from: malware, trialware, advertising, and subsidies by Intel and Microsoft. On the phone side it's a lot less clear where it's going to come from at least right now but it's likely going to be the same places. Certainly advertising (HTC's push notification for a branded theme a couple weeks ago being an example), definitely bundled apps, but we really haven't gotten to the point where intrusive, system-level adware and malware are used to shore up the cost per unit. Given the losses being suffered by pretty much every player in the space I don't think it's far-fetched to think it's going to come to that sooner or later. What other sustainable option is there but to take payments to inconvenience (and worse) the user?
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Hughmoris posted:For those with the Note 4, do you think its worth $399? Looks like I can pick up a refurbished Unlocked AT&T Note 4 on eBay for $399. Although I'll probably wait until the new Moto X is reviewed, since it's sitting at the same price point. I bought mine at $480. If I had to choose now, I'd probably wait for the new Moto X.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:If Sony weren't so slow in releasing software updates for their handsets, I'd recommend them. I love my Xperia Z3 Compact - it's got relatively few additions on top of stock Android and it runs really well. For unbranded Z3 devices though, they just started receiving Android 5.1.1 last month. That's me and it's the perfect phone aside from that crippling issue. I have the new G on the way and will take a stab at a warranty fix.
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LastInLine posted:I think that's a little unfair. Everyone in the commodity technology sector is terrible. It's a loser's game, after all. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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LastInLine posted:What other sustainable option is there but to take payments to inconvenience (and worse) the user? Uh, Apple isn't shipping malware on its phones OR its computers.
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