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Torrannor posted:He simply welcomed them to Germany, which works equally well for tourists and immigrants, so everything is all right? Above says "Mr Latteyer says that he felt moved to make the speech by the experience of his brother-in-law, who fled the Kosovo conflict in the 1990s," This means to me a native english-speaker that he assumed they were fleeing something. Is the translation wrong?
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They were accompanied by two social workers and in one article it was mentioned that he noticed it by the type of tickets they had. So he knew they were refugees.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:25
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Ranter posted:Above says "Mr Latteyer says that he felt moved to make the speech by the experience of his brother-in-law, who fled the Kosovo conflict in the 1990s," This means to me a native english-speaker that he assumed they were fleeing something. Is the translation wrong? Yeah, he probably did - as would I, and you probably as well, I bet. It's imo not that much of a reach to think “refugees“ when a group of 15 young Africans accompanied by two white people enter your bus during the largest refugee crisis (I'm sure there's a better term for this?) since 1946. And even if he had that thought, he only welcomed them to Germany, nothing more. Are we charging obviously good-willed people now for thoughtcrimes, too? 
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Aug 14, 2015 17:29
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goethe42 posted:They were accompanied by two social workers and in one article it was mentioned that he noticed it by the type of tickets they had. So he knew they were refugees. Is this like a concession ticket for poor/elderly people?
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Aug 14, 2015 17:48
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There is no way that this happened in Bavaria. This was clearly staged in a Potemkin Erlangen somewhere in NRW, like all positive and uplifting news stories out of Bayern.
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Aug 14, 2015 17:50
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Ja, die Erlanger sind gastfreundlich
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Ranter posted:Is this like a concession ticket for poor/elderly people? Probably something like that, most public transport companies have reduced fare tickets for students, infirm, elderly etc. , possibly also for tickets provided by social services. Or the social workers paid for all with a government credit card, something like that. He just mentioned, that when he noticed they were refugees by the tickets they had, he felt the need to do something.
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Aug 14, 2015 18:03
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Neue Deutsche Welle was weird.
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System Metternich posted:Yeah, he probably did - as would I, and you probably as well, I bet. It's imo not that much of a reach to think “refugees“ when a group of 15 young Africans accompanied by two white people enter your bus during the largest refugee crisis (I'm sure there's a better term for this?) since 1946. And even if he had that thought, he only welcomed them to Germany, nothing more. Are we charging obviously good-willed people now for thoughtcrimes, too? If leftists could no longer accuse other left-ish people for being insufficient leftist like half their feindbilder would disappear. Can't have that.
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Aug 14, 2015 18:45
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ArchangeI posted:If leftists could no longer accuse other left-ish people for being insufficient leftist like half their feindbilder would disappear. Can't have that. I dunno it seems kinda patronizing, like saying "we all know you're untermenschen but I personally don't mind". I can't imagine that happening in the US with south americans or something, at least without everyone seeing it as a bit racist. I'm not German though (and using the anglicized expression untermenschen might not be the best in this context).
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Aug 14, 2015 19:59
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Private Speech posted:I dunno it seems kinda patronizing, like saying "we all know you're untermenschen but I personally don't mind". I can't imagine that happening in the US with south americans or something, at least without everyone seeing it as a bit racist. I'm not German though (and using the anglicized expression untermenschen might not be the best in this context). This is basically how I'm seeing it. A bus driver doing this in Australia or the USA would be seen as patronizing but it seems that in Germany this is not patronizing and is seen as a positive (because, if I'm understanding this correctly, Bavarian stereotype is that of a racist). I am not coming here to say he is racist or tell Germans what to think, just adding perspective from the outside.
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Aug 14, 2015 20:37
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You can say what the busdriver said in a condescending way and in a sincere way, and judging from the reaction it got, I'd say he probably sounded sincere. Why are we still debating this.
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Ranter posted:This is basically how I'm seeing it. A bus driver doing this in Australia or the USA would be seen as patronizing but it seems that in Germany this is not patronizing and is seen as a positive (because, if I'm understanding this correctly, Bavarian stereotype is that of a racist). I am not coming here to say he is racist or tell Germans what to think, just adding perspective from the outside. Considering the current refugee crisis and the general rarity of African tourists in Germany, it was a good guess that these people are refugees. Even apart from any possible visual clues, since people have a month long journey through Africa, over the Mediterranean and into Germany behind them probably look a lot more worn down than simple tourists. Private Speech posted:I dunno it seems kinda patronizing, like saying "we all know you're untermenschen but I personally don't mind". I can't imagine that happening in the US with south americans or something, at least without everyone seeing it as a bit racist. I'm not German though (and using the anglicized expression untermenschen might not be the best in this context). I don't understand where this "untermenschen" thing comes from? 
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Aug 14, 2015 21:46
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yeah or maybe just maybe non aryans can also be germans and telling someone you know nothing about "welcome to my country" automatically tells him "this isn't your country"
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Aug 14, 2015 22:18
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Nice to see not every Bavarian is completely evil. (That bus driver was Bavarian, right? I did not just dream that?)
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Aug 14, 2015 22:41
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Dammit, us Bavarians have got an evil quota to fulfill, this guy's dragging us all down! Looks like overtime in the racism mines tomorrow because of him 
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niethan posted:yeah or maybe just maybe germans can also be non racist and telling a german you know nothing about(because you haven't even read this page of the thread) "you're german, so you're a racist whatever you do" automatically tells him "this is the time to look for the ignore button" FTFY The bus driver asked the two female social workers, which showed the tickets for all 17 of them, if the 15 black youth were from the refugee home around the corner, which they confirmed. He was then reminded of his non-aryan (sic) brother-in-law, who had fled war-torn Kosovo in 1998 and found a new home in Germany and of his grandfather, who had lost an arm in WWII and was very outspoken against war and following false convictions. The refugees seemed very downtrodden to him, so he tried to find a way to lighten their mood and show them that they are welcome in their new country. Source(in german): http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...id_4877579.html
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Libluini posted:Nice to see not every Bavarian is completely evil. (That bus driver was Bavarian, right? I did not just dream that?) No, he's Franconian.
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Aug 14, 2015 23:57
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goethe42 posted:FTFY I don't care about this specific occasion. Good on the bus driver for being a nice guy. I'm born in Germany and have lived here my whole life and yet there's always some fucker who wants to know where I'm from. I'm not even black
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goethe42 posted:FTFY But I wouldn't say that I was being racist towards Germans exactly, when the whole point was that I would think it's a bit racist if I saw it happen myself (particularly with it being said it in English), no matter the country (be it Italy, China, France, Russia or Australia). That's why I said using untermensch in this context might not be appropriate. If the driver was feeling sorry for them maybe he should just treat them super nicely like they were Germans, making small talk or whatever. In English if necessary, making them feel like they belong? I'm phoneposting from bed so sorry if I sound unclear, I don't mean to be offensive.
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Aug 15, 2015 05:59
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BabyFur Denny posted:No, he's Franconian. Too bad then
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Private Speech posted:If the driver was feeling sorry for them maybe he should just treat them super nicely like they were Germans, making small talk or whatever. In English if necessary, making them feel like they belong? Was he supposed to set the bus on autopilot and then walk around handing out candy or something? You can't easily make small talk with 15 people while you're driving a bus. I don't even understand why we're still talking about this. His heart was in the right place and the refugees obviously appreciated the gesture instead of thinking 'look at that racist fucker, reminding us that this is his country, and that we're subhumans'. It's a non-issue.
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quote:"Excuse me ladies and gentlemen from all over the world on this bus, I want to say something," the driver said over the intercom gruffly, setting aside his tall can of beer and taking a long, poignant drag of his cigarette. "I want to say... welcome." The driver spread his arms wide, letting the steering wheel hang loose for a moment as a cloud of smoke poured slowly from his mouth with every word. "Welcome to Germany, welcome to my country." He pulled his sunglasses down over his eyes and kicked the bus into overdrive as a wicked guitar riff blared from the bus speakers. Fire shot from the exhaust pipes as the bus skidded down the Autobahn and he screamed a rebel yell, the Reichsfahne attached to the mirror snapping wildly in the breeze. Drone fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Aug 15, 2015 |
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Aug 15, 2015 08:03
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The only racists are in this thread saying Germans/Bavarians are all racist.
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The guy who suggested the bus driver make small talk (presumably what he would do with 'Germans') has obviously never ridden a bus, let alone in Germany. The best you usually get from a bus driver is a nod or maybeeee a curt "Morgen" if you say something first. And here we have a guy who has seen and read reports about refugee homes getting torched, about "concerned citizens" spewing racist and chauvinist hate speech on- and offline, and he is personally moved and decides that he wants to give a positive impression of Germany and suddenly he's the bad guy because he doesn't have a degree in social sciences and didn't think his words 100% through in the moment. Just loving lol.
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schoenfelder posted:The guy who suggested the bus driver make small talk (presumably what he would do with 'Germans') has obviously never ridden a bus, let alone in Germany. The best you usually get from a bus driver is a nod or maybeeee a curt "Morgen" if you say something first. And here we have a guy who has seen and read reports about refugee homes getting torched, about "concerned citizens" spewing racist and chauvinist hate speech on- and offline, and he is personally moved and decides that he wants to give a positive impression of Germany and suddenly he's the bad guy because he doesn't have a degree in social sciences and didn't think his words 100% through in the moment. Just loving lol. Eh, I once had a guy asking us how many curves there were between A and B, and when we started counting, he said "Only two: left and right!" and started ranting about how stupid people are nowadays and nobody's thinking anymore and we all suck. We were the only two people in an otherwise empty bus driving through the wasteland that is Lower Austria, though. Oh, and several times I've had long-distance bus drivers who just couldn't shut the gently caress up. Announcing each stop, maybe even making a joke or giving a helpful reminder to take everything with you or whatever? No problem. Rambling on for minutes about how you have to send your sons Whatsapp texts to call them to dinner because they spend their whole day in their rooms playing Dota or whatever? I don't give a poo poo, please shut up 
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System Metternich posted:Eh, I once had a guy asking us how many curves there were between A and B, and when we started counting, he said "Only two: left and right!" and started ranting about how stupid people are nowadays and nobody's thinking anymore and we all suck.
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goethe42 posted:The bus driver asked the two female social workers, which showed the tickets for all 17 of them, if the 15 black youth were from the refugee home around the corner, which they confirmed. How loving dare that racist piece of poo poo ask them where they're from? He should have minded his own business and not, uh, origin-shamed them. I'm relentlessy triggered. schoenfelder posted:The guy who suggested the bus driver make small talk (presumably what he would do with 'Germans') has obviously never ridden a bus, let alone in Germany. The best you usually get from a bus driver is a nod or maybeeee a curt "Morgen" if you say something first. And here we have a guy who has seen and read reports about refugee homes getting torched, about "concerned citizens" spewing racist and chauvinist hate speech on- and offline, and he is personally moved and decides that he wants to give a positive impression of Germany and suddenly he's the bad guy because he doesn't have a degree in social sciences and didn't think his words 100% through in the moment. Just loving lol. Someone mentioned Bavaria, so there must be something racist in there somewhere.
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Private Speech posted:maybe he should just treat them super nicely like they were Germans... Hahahaha. No one treats anyone super nicely in Germany. German or not.
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Aug 15, 2015 09:35
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Strangers being really nice is kinda creepy imo.
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Aug 15, 2015 09:42
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bronin posted:Hahahaha. No one treats anyone super nicely in Germany. German or not.
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 I feel a little bit responsible for what happened in this thread. Just to clarify to all undeutsche goons reading this thread: Making fun of Bavaria is like a running gag in German culture and mostly done for satire. Bavaria is not racist mordor, it is not Alabama. The large cities are extremely nice places to live and have been experiencing massive positive net migration from other parts of Germany for decades. Munich, Bavaria's capital, is probably the most international city in the country, with a huge part of population having immigrant roots. There is almost no violent crime and no open, organized anti-immigrantion political movements in the cities. It is NOT the Alabama of Germany. (That's the only positive thing I'm ever going to mention about that shithole of a Bundesland in this thread. I was truly shocked that the bus driver didn't go for "Welcome dahoam, would you like to have a Neger to drink? It's named after you, lol!" gently caress this medieval shithole.)
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waitwhatno posted:
In a broad analogy where Bavaria = southern United States, Munich is probably Atlanta: a massive city that is not bad to live in, has a good economy, positive net migration, and politics that do not mirror those of its surroundings. But just because that one city may be nice, it doesn't mean that most of the rest of it isn't a shithole.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnrRy6kSFF0
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Aww, I want to take all of you on a trip through rural Austria. 
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waitwhatno posted:
Nah, the American south is a massive shithole without the specter of communist rule as an excuse.
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Drone posted:In a broad analogy where Bavaria = southern United States, Munich is probably Atlanta: a massive city that is not bad to live in, has a good economy, positive net migration, and politics that do not mirror those of its surroundings. But just because that one city may be nice, it doesn't mean that most of the rest of it isn't a shithole. You know, as lovely as the CSU is, Bavaria still is far away from having literal neo-nazi villages like Jameln, and yet I never hear someone declaring each and every Mecklenburg-Vorpommerner racist shitheads who should be nuked into oblivion  Oh, and while we may have a drink called "Neger" (haven't heard that one in ages, btw), NRW has an entire river 
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System Metternich posted:You know, as lovely as the CSU is, Bavaria still is far away from having literal neo-nazi villages like Jameln, and yet I never hear someone declaring each and every Mecklenburg-Vorpommerner racist shitheads who should be nuked into oblivion Probably because Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is the third-smallest Bundesland and Bavaria is the second-largest, in terms of population?
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System Metternich posted:You know, as lovely as the CSU is, Bavaria still is far away from having literal neo-nazi villages like Jameln, and yet I never hear someone declaring each and every Mecklenburg-Vorpommerner racist shitheads who should be nuked into oblivion (Let us ignore for a second that literally Hitler is more in category 1 than in category 2.)
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Cingulate posted:If a 17 year old who has seen nothing closer to love than his stepfather's fist and nothing closer to education than being beaten up by the other kids at school is racist, that's one thing. When Donald Trump is, that's another. What I'm saying is, Bavaria has bad hair. very good, 7/10 points
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