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Apparently the B-52 thing wasn't actually Israel itself, which makes sense because if anything their ministry of defense isn't completely loving retarded. It was some harebrained idea from a former Obama advisor (probably emphasis on "former" is important here--there's probably a reason for that) http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.666571
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Its not completely insane, Israel has a medium/long range ALCM that their fighters can only carry 2 of at a time and USAF B-52s can carry a dozen.
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I wonder if a B52 would make a decent AWACS? A 747 or 777 would probably be more practical?
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B4Ctom1 posted:I wonder if a B52 would make a decent AWACS? A 747 or 777 would probably be more practical? I imagine you want enough fuselage volume for all the system operators and their equipment, which would favor an airliner.
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StandardVC10 posted:I imagine you want enough fuselage volume for all the system operators and their equipment, which would favor an airliner. That, plus an airfoil and engines designed after the Eisenhower presidency.
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A B52 with the rotary launchers converted for use with Nuclear AAMs. iwanttobelieve.jpg
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B4Ctom1 posted:I wonder if a B52 would make a decent AWACS? A 747 or 777 would probably be more practical? Probably not. Entirely different design philosophy. You'd want to maximize loiter and range vs payload. A 787 would fit the bill better than a 777, which would probably require new hangar space at AWACS bases. The Tinker birdcage holds about 20 something 707's. That number would be nearly cut in half with a 777/747
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4LOr1h2FHw
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bitcoin bastard posted:A B52 with the rotary launchers converted for use with Nuclear AAMs. Dale Brown spotted
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Mortabis posted:Apparently the B-52 thing wasn't actually Israel itself, which makes sense because if anything their ministry of defense isn't completely loving retarded. It was some harebrained idea from a former Obama advisor (probably emphasis on "former" is important here--there's probably a reason for that) You are half-right: the suggestion came from a wall street journal op-ed put out by "The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs" - which a bunch of neo-cons sit on the board of. http://www.jinsa.org/jinsa-media/deptula-and-makovsky-wall-street-journal-sending-bunker-busting-message-iran To be honest I don't really thing it was a "serious" proposal - more likely it was an attempt to poo poo on diplomacy with Iran, or just a think tank trying to say "OBAMAMUNIST WEAK ON DEFENDING ISRAEL FROM IRAN"
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Godholio posted:As a result, it's not just takeoffs and landings, they FLY nose down. This probably only applies to EMPTY B-52s. For a bit there I thought he was trying to pull a split S 
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MrYenko posted:The bicycle gear would prevent a normal takeoff rotation, so the wing is installed with enough angle of incidence to produce sufficient lift at takeoff speeds with a flat deck angle. Godholio posted:As a result, it's not just takeoffs and landings, they FLY nose down. The B-52 is such a weird aircraft. I remember the first time I saw one personally a year or so ago, and it's just so huge, and so boxy. It's like someone bolted wings to an RV.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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TasogareNoKagi posted:This probably only applies to EMPTY B-52s. 
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TasogareNoKagi posted:This probably only applies to EMPTY B-52s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxLe8MWdWe0&t=46s
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bitcoin bastard posted:A 747 with up to a hundred ALCM's aboard  Link without enough info
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TasogareNoKagi posted:This probably only applies to EMPTY B-52s. It applies to any B-52 flying with a low angle of attack. Since the B-52's wing is mounted at a 6-degree angle relative to the fuselage (which is basically what allows the aircraft to take off with its tandem landing gear arrangement), in any flight regime that requires an alpha of only a degree or two, a B-52 will take a very nose down attitude. High speed can be just as responsible for that as low gross weight.
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Are there even any ALCM's left? I knew they were conventionalizing them in Barksdale and firing them at everyone after our Tomahawk supply was nearly depleted.
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Aug 15, 2015 18:36
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Yes lets turn one of the most popular long haul civilian aircraft into something that has a configuration where it hangs around outside warzones and then suddenly spits cruise missiles everywhere what could possibly go wrong?
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Alchenar posted:Yes lets turn one of the most popular long haul civilian aircraft into something that has a configuration where it hangs around outside warzones and then suddenly spits cruise missiles everywhere what could possibly go wrong? You've heard of the P-8 right?
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Alchenar posted:Yes lets turn one of the most popular long haul civilian aircraft into something that has a configuration where it hangs around outside warzones and then suddenly spits cruise missiles everywhere what could possibly go wrong? Almost every strategic asset the US has ever flown (with the exception of most bombers) has been a converted airliner. They all look the same on radar anyway.
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Godholio posted:They all look the same on radar anyway. They all look the same up close too! -Major Genadi Osipovich
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TCD posted:You've heard of the P-8 right? The P-8 is also an interesting mix of the -800 and -900. Mostly in the wings.
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MrChips posted:They all look the same up close too! 
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MrChips posted:They all look the same up close too! Ahahahha
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B4Ctom1 posted:Are there even any ALCM's left? I knew they were conventionalizing them in Barksdale and firing them at everyone after our Tomahawk supply was nearly depleted. ALCMs are the only nuke-capable cruise missile left in the inventory, they decommissioned all the ACMs (same thought process as why they decommissioned the Peacekeepers in favor of hanging onto the Minutemen, higher O&M costs/less reliable/less emphasis on the nuke deterrent post-Cold War). They converted a bunch of ALCMs to CALCMs in the mid-90s and then did another round of reductions in the ALCM fleet a couple years back as a result of the limits contained in SORT. They're SLEPing both the ALCM and CALCM fleets (again) to give them a service life out to 2030. There's a notional replacement program (LRSO) on the horizon that in theory would dovetail in with LRS-B, but it's been hanging out in limbo for several years now, not formally cancelled and development work is on-going but they still haven't released a formal RFP either. There's language requesting it (I think) in the FY16 Presidential Budget, so we'll see if it stays in this time. MrChips posted:They all look the same up close too! lol
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Sorry for FB videos but only links I had so far. Firefighting aerial stuff near vegas. https://www.facebook.com/KOMONews/videos/923255744409425/ https://video-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/h...f2e&oe=55CFF86A
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I went to an airshow today P6661440.jpg by Douglas Tiedt, on FlickrI've got more stuff and videos, but lightroom is crashing on me nonstop, so it'll probably have to wait. Did get to see a few F-35's and an F-22 though, so that was cool.
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Top Gun is on Netflix again. also, not from the show I went to, but seeing this guy wring out a MiG-17 owned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRn73uHXA-s
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Alchenar posted:Yes lets turn one of the most popular long haul civilian aircraft into something that has a configuration where it hangs around outside warzones and then suddenly spits cruise missiles everywhere what could possibly go wrong? lol when you put it that way
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A4ncjpAw_I Here are some other short clips of the F-86/Mig-17 stuff that was going on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rcXpz2LL7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTeyKe8JsbM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ9lFxdtBCY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCmjqN-zRA
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Daikon posted:lol when you put it that way Doesn't matter. Somebody still nailed the 777 and I don't think anybody uses that plane in a military version.
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Godholio posted:They all look the same on radar anyway. Captain William Rogers agrees with you 
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TCD posted:Doesn't matter. Somebody still nailed the 777 and I don't think anybody uses that plane in a military version. Does Ukraine even have any large military aircraft that can fly at the speed/altitude MH17 was at?
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Mortabis posted:Does Ukraine even have any large military aircraft that can fly at the speed/altitude MH17 was at? Do I really need to put a LMGTFY link here?
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With easy googling, one could see that Ukrainian Air Force has plenty of modern fighter planes.
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Mortabis posted:Does Ukraine even have any large military aircraft that can fly at the speed/altitude MH17 was at? You realize that it's like a cool and semi-modern feature to be able to measure the size of airplanes with a radar right? Especially when scanning the plane from dozens of kilometers away so you can fire a missile.
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Not being a radar operator, I have no idea what radars are capable of now that they weren't capable of doing 25 years ago.
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In no particular order: P6660596.jpg by Douglas Tiedt, on Flickr P6660588.jpg by Douglas Tiedt, on Flickr P6660243.jpg by Douglas Tiedt, on Flickr P6660204.jpg by Douglas Tiedt, on Flickr P6661207.jpg by Douglas Tiedt, on Flickr P6661326.jpg by Douglas Tiedt, on Flickr
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