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Kild posted:If Adlet dies and a petal is lost Chamot is probably going to murder Flamie no matter what Chester says. And if not Flamie probably Hans or even both. Then when she dies and a petal is lost they're going after Chamot. I think thats a stronger plan that maybe catching someone off guard cus you got a chance. Then its a number advantage for Nash since Goldov is basically going to do whatever she says. Though that also assumes killing them is better than delaying them which would make sense unless we're missing something. thats a lot of assumptions youre making there
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So are they just kind of glossing over that Maura has the key, or that she's splitting them up, or that one of the first things Adlet tried was the cancel command which is attuned to the ritualist and since that failed it couldn't possibly be him?
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So did I miss something because it seems weird that Adlets entire village was immediately okay with the chief telling them to march off to be slaves in demonville and kill everyone who points out thats a terrible idea?
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Aug 16, 2015 07:04
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Jackard posted:So are they just kind of glossing over that Maura has the key, or that she's splitting them up, or that one of the first things Adlet tried was the cancel command which is attuned to the ritualist and since that failed it couldn't possibly be him? Maura is suspicious to the viewer, but all the evidence presented does point to Adlet. If he weren't the protagonist, would we be so forgiving to that? galagazombie posted:So did I miss something because it seems weird that Adlets entire village was immediately okay with the chief telling them to march off to be slaves in demonville and kill everyone who points out thats a terrible idea? presumably the Fiend presented a strong case during the time he was there. it's not really important beyond being Adlet's backstory/motivation
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NowonSA posted:I like the remote activation theory, the people at the fort said other braves had been there but we didn't see it, so we can't be sure. You'd need a reason for it to take a long time for the fog to start up though, the temple isn't that powerful if you can trigger it and the enemy has hours to move into the area or out of the area. If I can throw a guess out there at you, the remote ritual could "prime" the temple and then as soon as the seal is breached the fog triggers. This needs the people in the fort to be doppelgangers/traitors, but that's about it, so less effort than most other theories. Of course, it's an even shorter path if fort guys are liars and the temple is actually automatically activated by whoever breaks the seal. quote:The problem with Adlet being an unwitting dupe is that he tries to dispel the barrier immediately, even going so far as to use his own blood. He certainly seemed to know what he was doing there. But if he's in on it that could be a false effort. quote:As far as the seven braves all being legitimate braves, the braves are chosen by the goddess of fate, that's been solidly established. So even if the goddess decided that 7 were needed this time around, she opted to go with the one planning to trap them in the barrier. I guess it could be the most intense teambuilding exercise ever? quote:And one last 7 real braves thought, if there are seven then why not make the insignia different with 7 petals instead of 6? The forces of good gain nothing by not making the number of braves explicit, especially if you're changing up that number for the first time ever. Cus its the Braves of the 6 flowers. The number doesn't matter only the warning symbol which may or may not have been changed. Could there have always been 7 but the 7th never showed up until this batch? It doesn't make sense to have 6 petals as a warning symbol if you're the last petal. TWIST FIST posted:thats a lot of assumptions youre making there Not really? There's nothing that was a grasp or a big leap. If there is you can share. 
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Aug 16, 2015 07:15
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dogsicle posted:all the evidence presented does point to Adlet
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Aug 16, 2015 07:24
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Jackard posted:He already used the cancel command and the others admit it exists as one of two options for removing the barrier. he seems to be the only person who was present when the barrier activated in addition to opening the door that can only be opened once. even though he used a cancel command, it could've been purposely wrong to trick them. there's nothing the other characters know that would point to another suspect, other than gut feelings.
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Aug 16, 2015 07:29
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Yeah nobody actually knows what the cancel command is. Adlet just said he might remember one of the braves doing this once. Even if he's right the others wouldn't know that. They might have been able to test it on everyone, but now the alter is broken so who knows if would even work anymore.
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Aug 16, 2015 07:35
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Kytrarewn posted:Maura's tattoo on the back of the neck is useless. If the tattoo has the informational powers ascribed to it this episode, it would have to be in a place visible to the individual brave, for tactical considerations. Kylra posted:Adlet didn't actually blow the door open. His explosives seemed to have barely scratched the thing. The explosion happens, and then the doors open a few seconds later for some reason. Further, the temple was "barely scratched" by the many bombs from the demons per Adlet when he was going up to it. Jackard fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Aug 16, 2015 07:35
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Adlet is suspicious to the other Braves but only because he was at the scene of the crime. If they thought about it for more than 5 minutes he'd be pretty innocent I think. If the barrier goes away when he dies then why would he incriminate himself? Why would he not get some sort of alibi/excuse? Why would he defend Flamie if she's 1) a traitor to demons and 2) an easy target. Stuff like that. They just assume he's some idiot I guess or haven't put a second thought into it.
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Aug 16, 2015 07:43
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there would be ways to see a tattoo there, whether mirrors exist in this setting or not. i don't really like the importance being given to mark location because it's an incredibly weak premise to base suspicion on. Hans and Maura's control over the situation and what is deemed "correct" in the narrative are much more damning and important, to me. i mean until this batch of Braves the informational property of the mark wasn't even significant, as far as we know.
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Aug 16, 2015 07:46
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Kild posted:They just assume he's some idiot Yes. Yes they do.
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Aug 16, 2015 07:47
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dogsicle posted:there would be ways to see a tattoo there, whether mirrors exist in this setting or not. i don't really like the importance being given to mark location because it's an incredibly weak premise to base suspicion on. Hans and Maura's control over the situation and what is deemed "correct" in the narrative are much more damning and important, to me. i mean until this batch of Braves the informational property of the mark wasn't even significant, as far as we know. Last batch had a guy killed.
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Kild posted:Not really? There's nothing that was a grasp or a big leap. If there is you can share. you said "probably" 5 times in your post and "assumes" twice but ok, to break it down Kild posted:If Adlet dies and a petal is lost Chamot is probably going to murder Flamie no matter what Chester says. And if not Flamie probably Hans or even both. Then when she dies and a petal is lost they're going after Chamot. I think thats a stronger plan that maybe catching someone off guard cus you got a chance. These are all a bunch of assumptions. Maybe it's possible that one or all of those things will happen and maybe not. But basing everything off of a whole bunch of probablys is absolutely not a stronger plan. quote:Then its a number advantage for Nash since Goldov is basically going to do whatever she says. Though that also assumes killing them is better than delaying them which would make sense unless we're missing something. It's only a number advantage if literally all of those things happen and even then Goldov has shown this episode that no, he's not willing to mindlessly do whatever Nash says. quote:Since she was kind of allied with Goldov Flamie and Adlet and no one in that group would be likely to suspect each other outside of Goldov maybe suspecting Flamie. Her best play for her to cast either Chamot, Chester or Flamie as the 7th instead of Adlet. Though that assumes they had some say/sway in who actually got framed and they're trying to make the best move. Chamot being the strongest would be the best to take out first. Chester being framed would mean you can probably take out Chamot too. Flamie would mean you'd take out Adlet with her and probably Nash + Goldov too. Also Chamot would probably be the one who killed Flamie and she'd be next for consideration. What are you even saying at this point. If Nash is the 7th then why would she want to take herself out. You even said yourself that this entire paragraph is based off one huge assumption. Your entire point is based off probablys and maybes and incredibly flimsy reasoning.
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Aug 16, 2015 07:50
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Kild posted:Last batch had a guy killed. the implication is that previous Braves were killed by Fiends, not traitors that would be outed due to the properties of the mark.
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Aug 16, 2015 07:51
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dogsicle posted:mark locations are an incredibly weak premise to base suspicion on It's either her or a convoluted bunny scheme. Jackard fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Aug 16, 2015 07:55
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Jackard posted:a convoluted bunny scheme. 
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Yeah, petals fading out of the symbol when Braves die was more of a neat little thing in the past, rather than some all-important tactical feature. I think most of the time they would have known when a brave died anyway. It's kind of like Jedi feeling it when someone they know dies, so far it's been more of a prompt for dramatic mourning. This is probably its biggest chance to really be a thing, but it'd also make for a great "oh poo poo" moment if a brave died, everyone kept an eye on everyone else's symbols in that moment, and they all showed a petal falling off/disappearing, meaning there really are 7 braves somehow or the demons found a way to perfectly imitate the symbol. I do like it a lot as an idea though.
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Aug 16, 2015 08:23
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TWIST FIST posted:you said "probably" 5 times in your post and "assumes" twice quote:These are all a bunch of assumptions. Maybe it's possible that one or all of those things will happen and maybe not. But basing everything off of a whole bunch of probablys is absolutely not a stronger plan. quote:It's only a number advantage if literally all of those things happen and even then Goldov has shown this episode that no, he's not willing to mindlessly do whatever Nash says. quote:What are you even saying at this point. If Nash is the 7th then why would she want to take herself out. You even said yourself that this entire paragraph is based off one huge assumption. Your entire point is based off probablys and maybes and incredibly flimsy reasoning. Kild fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Aug 16, 2015 09:00
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The point isn't that your reasoning is flawed the point is that literally everything you've said is based on "hey maybe this guy could do this thing" and that makes for really lovely evidence.
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Aug 16, 2015 09:20
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TWIST FIST posted:The point isn't that your reasoning is flawed the point is that literally everything you've said is based on "hey maybe this guy could do this thing" and that makes for really lovely evidence. Yes the things I said was based on "Hey maybe guy could repeat actions he did yesterday." Didn't realize assuming the characters stay mostly the same over 24 hours was lovely. Guess we can't guess who did it cus it'd be assuming or guess how they did it cus it'd be assuming so lets just wait until they tell us...?
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All the other theories in this thread are based on things that characters have said or done or things that viewers have observed. They're saying "hey maybe this character could do this thing because of what this guy said or what I saw here." What you've been saying is "hey maybe this guy could do this thing because maybe this guy could do this thing" As a side note, yeah this by itself quote:Yes the things I said was based on "Hey maybe guy could repeat actions he did yesterday."
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TWIST FIST posted:All the other theories in this thread are based on things that characters have said or done or things that viewers have observed. They're saying "hey maybe this character could do this thing because of what this guy said or what I saw here." What you've been saying is "hey maybe this guy could do this thing because maybe this guy could do this thing" Adlet would protect Flamie like he's said and done. Goldov would protect the princess like he's said and done. Chamot wants to murder and torture Flamie because she's rash and wants revenge like she said she wants to and attempted. All unfounded theories now I know, thanks.
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im glad you understand
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Wouldn't the 7th not want any of the braves to die? When everyone's magic tattoo looses a petal and your not so magic fake tattoo doesn't you would be outed immediately.
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NowonSA posted:Alright, who does your gut say is the seventh then? Maura has to be involved in this, and is the fake brave. This seems like a necessary minimum right now, since she probably had to open the door. Either by key or by Mountain Saint powers. Hans is a real brave, but has been paid off. This is more speculative since Maura could have theoretically snuck in and done it herself. Nash still isn't 100% out of the running as a conspirator either however. I think the scene late in this 7th episode was a red herring to emotionally cast more suspicion on her though. Notice that it doesn't give any evidence of her being the culprit. It just turns her eyes from the camera as she speaks and plays somber dramatic music with discordant stings. I do wonder what Chamot was doing with those vine things on the ground though. I suspect that's going to net the piece of information that really ties the whole case together. Maybe an 11th hour turnabout. MagicBoots posted:Wouldn't the 7th not want any of the braves to die? When everyone's magic tattoo looses a petal and your not so magic fake tattoo doesn't you would be outed immediately. Kylra fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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MagicBoots posted:Wouldn't the 7th not want any of the braves to die? When everyone's magic tattoo looses a petal and your not so magic fake tattoo doesn't you would be outed immediately. Good point but its not like they can keep everyone alive for weeks or months for the Demon God to fully return? Also if the current barrier locks the exit and entrance into the land of howling demons isn't a bad thing for it to remain active for a long time?
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Kild posted:Good point but its not like they can keep everyone alive for weeks or months for the Demon God to fully return? E: For reference, the demon lands are basically an island with a landbridge connecting it to the mainland. The temple fog is placed to block the bridge entirely. Kylra fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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I think that Nash is the 7th (folks thoughts on her smashing things and generally acting fishy seem pretty likely to me), but she is legit into Adlet and so wants someone else to take the fall. If it's not her, it's almost certainly Maura.
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Kild posted:Good point but its not like they can keep everyone alive for weeks or months for the Demon God to fully return? This assumes the fake is acting on behalf of the demons and not because of some personal motive.
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MagicBoots posted:This assumes the fake is acting on behalf of the demons and not because of some personal motive.
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Bad Seafood posted:There are several competing sets of rules, not all of which are entirely applicable to this show. The big ones though I'd say should not be violated are: Almost finished with the novel, only 30 pages left. The signal that the truth will be revealed now was just given.
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Kild posted:Good point but its not like they can keep everyone alive for weeks or months for the Demon God to fully return? The barrier is there to keep demons from entering human lands during the demon god's awakening. It's not like humans can send any support along with the Braves anyway due to the crazy poison that's all over demon territory, so they don't lose anything by sealing off that area. If the Demon God awakens the fog barrier isn't going to do much good though, it'll run out by itself eventually or DG will just power through it. Kylra posted:Maybe the fake tattoo can be manipulated as well after the person with it finds out that someone died so they can manually update their tattoo.
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NowonSA posted:The Braves need to get out of there within about a month, or it's the end of the world, so with those kinds of stakes they'd corner or kill someone eventually. Even one Brave getting out of there is better than none. quote:The barrier is there to keep demons from entering human lands during the demon god's awakening. It's not like humans can send any support along with the Braves anyway due to the crazy poison that's all over demon territory, so they don't lose anything by sealing off that area. If the Demon God awakens the fog barrier isn't going to do much good though, it'll run out by itself eventually or DG will just power through it. Well I would think you'd rather just have the Braves dead before he awakens and have the barrier down to amass troops and stuff. Instead of some stall tactic for a month.
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So is this basically the entire show? At first it seemed like a subplot but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v22vOmJzoCQ&t=80s man I hope we solve this mystery ! !
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Everything Burrito posted:I thought the guy at the fort said that most of the fiends are in the human lands and the point of the barrier was to trap them there so the braves can fight the demon lord without them swarming back in for backup Jackard posted:So is this basically the entire show? At first it seemed like a subplot but Kild posted:Well I would think you'd rather just have the Braves dead before he awakens and have the barrier down to amass troops and stuff. Instead of some stall tactic for a month. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Aug 16, 2015 22:47
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NowonSA posted:It's the opposite. Seal the fiends off in their land after the braves make it in, so they can't go rampaging into human lands while they're more active during the demon lord's revival. In past revival periods, thousands have died from fiends cruising around and wrecking the nearby human settlements. Once the barrier is up no one can get in or out, so ideally the troops activate it with no fiends nearby and just hang out until the Braves win. I went back to check because I was curious and he specifically says "Most of the fiends have come to the continent in order to fight the Six Braves. ... After all, their goal is to wipe you out. ... The king developed a method to seal off the entrance to the peninsula, once the Six Braves enter the Land of the Howling Demons. With the power of the Fog Saint, the Illusion Saint, and the Salt Saint, he erected a powerful barrier to seal the fiends within this forest. ... If we can seal the area within this circle, many of the fiends will be left here, unable to battle you." I left out the in-between chatter like Adlet's responses but that's directly from the CR subs so is that a change from the LN? It doesn't really matter that much one way or the other but it does at least clarify the purpose of the barrier and which side of the barrier most of the fiends are supposed to be on currently.
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Everything Burrito posted:I went back to check because I was curious and he specifically says "Most of the fiends have come to the continent in order to fight the Six Braves. ... After all, their goal is to wipe you out. ... The king developed a method to seal off the entrance to the peninsula, once the Six Braves enter the Land of the Howling Demons. With the power of the Fog Saint, the Illusion Saint, and the Salt Saint, he erected a powerful barrier to seal the fiends within this forest. ... If we can seal the area within this circle, many of the fiends will be left here, unable to battle you." Ah, yeah I went back and re-read it and I remembered wrong. The LN says there's a "large number" on the human side and activating the barrier will seal them there and keep them from pursuing the Braves, which is their main objective by far. I'm sure someone talks about human lands close to the demon continent being wrecked all the time, and particularly when the Demon Lord is about to revive, so I must've attributed the barrier to that purpose. So I guess saving non-braves is just more of a side benefit. It's really more of a multi-purpose solution in my mind anyway, since only Braves can only go into demon territory anyway sealing the area can only serve as a tactical advantage for humanity, since they're sealed off by default anyway.
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