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Whip Slagcheek posted:I didn't watch the video, but lying is easily the fastest way to lose your job as a cop. If you lose your integrity in the eyes of the court you're dead in the water. Not a cop, but as a prosecutor, I agree. A cop who has lied in the past is worse than useless to me as a witness.
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Volume posted:As a prosecutor do you think it's appropriate to charge those officers with crimes? I'm going to give the standard lawyer answer: "It depends" What kind of a lie are we talking about? (NOTE DnD posters looking for ammo...I am not defending lying cops. I am just acknowledging that there are varying degrees of misconduct and some levels are better addressed by loss of job than criminal convictions) EDIT: If we are talking specifically about this case? Not turning over the footage leaves me open to a Brady allegation. So gently caress those guys. ActusRhesus fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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ActusRhesus posted:What kind of a lie are we talking about? The kind of lies in the video I posted Edit: you edited in the answer already
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ActusRhesus posted:
Do you have the same sort of "varying degrees of misconduct" attitude towards non-cops?
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Volume posted:The kind of lies in the video I posted yeah, hiding exculpatory evidence is something I have zero tolerance for.
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Volume posted:Do you have the same sort of "varying degrees of misconduct" attitude towards non-cops? yeah. We tend to do a lot of Accelerated rehabilitation and diversionary programs for low level offenders.
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Volume posted:Do you have the same sort of "varying degrees of misconduct" attitude towards non-cops? thats a standard thing across the justice system, what are you even prodding about?
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I think he's trying to get him to admit he's a bootlicking cop apologist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Whip Slagcheek posted:I think he's trying to get him to admit he's a bootlicking cop apologist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ traumatic head injury cures pigs! tear the system down man!
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Whip Slagcheek posted:I think he's trying to get him to admit he's a bootlicking cop apologist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ *her. 
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ActusRhesus posted:Not a cop, but as a prosecutor, I agree. A cop who has lied in the past is worse than useless to me as a witness. Is your case pretty much hosed at that point? What are the odds of salvaging it? I know this is dependent on the situation but ballpark it for me.
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ActusRhesus posted:*her. How YOU doin'
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Whip Slagcheek posted:How YOU doin'  
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Volume posted:Do you have the same sort of "varying degrees of misconduct" attitude towards non-cops? No, justice is black and white and no non-cops are ever shown any leniency in the criminal justice system, nor discretion from police, ever at anytime whatsoever.
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Cole posted:Is your case pretty much hosed at that point? What are the odds of salvaging it? I know this is dependent on the situation but ballpark it for me. honestly it would depend on the independent evidence. I can't really answer that. Plus there's the wild card of jury nullification if the jury is pissed enough. Fun side note, as a prosecutor, I am responsible for the entire police file, whether I know it exists or not, so if someone fails to turn something over to me, it's still a Brady violation....cue SJWs railing about PROSECUTOR MISCONDUCT!!!!! No, I don't think a prosecutor should be disbarred because they didn't turn over a document they didn't know existed. And sometimes it's not even shadiness on the cop's end. Example: Recent appeal I did, cop responds to a sexual abuse of a minor case. Calls the Child abuse hotline and hands it over to them, as is protocol. Writes his own brief report which is redundant with the child case worker report, but since it's no longer his case doesn't file it. Defense calls him as a witness. While prepping him before his testimony, Cop says to defense counsel "I don't remember, can I check my report?" This is the first anyone knew he had written one. Report is produced and contains the same info as the main case file. Misconduct? Should the cop or the prosecutor be punished? Sure the defendant has a claim that the late disclosure may have prejudiced his case (if it contained different info) But does anyone need to be "punished"? This is where I have a problem with DnD cries of "rampant proprietorial misconduct" Sure you have cases like Orange County, and I think every one of those fucks should be disbarred. But most "proprietorial misconduct" is poo poo like the above example, or saying the word "victim" during closing argument, hence the harmless error analysis.
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How can you have any kind of constructive or educated discussion with people who literally believe that the entirety of law enforcement is either corrupt, full of institutional racism, flat out evil, or all three combined?
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Cop gay. So What posted:How can you have any kind of constructive or educated discussion with people who literally believe that the entirety of law enforcement is either corrupt, full of institutional racism, flat out evil, or all three combined? Very carefully lmfao
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Cop gay. So What posted:How can you have any kind of constructive or educated discussion with people who literally believe that the entirety of law enforcement is either corrupt, full of institutional racism, flat out evil, or all three combined? you mean between the regular probations? not easy. Equine Don posted:Very carefully lmfao Yeah, but you take pictures of riots, so they have an e-boner for you. ActusRhesus fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Cop gay. So What posted:How can you have any kind of constructive or educated discussion with people who literally believe that the entirety of law enforcement is either corrupt, full of institutional racism, flat out evil, or all three combined? As a duly instituted member of the 4th Estate, cops and protesters are whatever my news director decides they are.
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ActusRhesus posted:Yeah, but you take pictures of riots, so they have an e-boner for you. I'm both a racist bootlicker and an undercover leftist agitator. Nobody can make up their mind. Woof Blitzer fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Equine Don posted:Very carefully lmfao Actual post from a D&D FTP thread.... Greataval posted:If you don't view the cops as the enemy after evrything you see reported just think of everything not getting reported. Then i don't even loving know anymore.
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Yeah but people are generally idiots.
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Equine Don posted:I'm both a racist bootlicker and an undercover leftist agitator. Nobody can make up their mind. 
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Cop gay. So What posted:Actual post from a D&D FTP thread.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Arguing with people on the Internet is a waste of time. Thankfully none of these people have any actual real power to impact society and are too busy yelling at other people on the Internet to care.
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Cop gay. So What posted:justice is black and white
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Cop gay. So What posted:Actual post from a D&D FTP thread.... No but see the cops view everything as "Us vs Them" and furthermore
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Okay got a reporter question for you guys. Most of the local departments don't have Public Information officers, they aren't big enough for that. And some days it's hard trying to call up a Lieutenant to schedule an interview or to give a statement over the phone. Does it bug you having a news outlet send someone in person down to the station to get a statement?
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Phuzzy posted:Okay got a reporter question for you guys. It bothers in the sense that some slick sleeve schmo has now gotta swing by to tell you in person what you were probably told over the phone. The chances of a "Walk In" reporter getting a statement at most departments is about 0% without prior scheduling or contacts. On the plus side you may be able to convince the new guy to give you a quote """off the record""".
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No because the PIO is on call 24 hours a day and if nothing else the shift commander is authorized to speak on behalf of the department. 
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Whip Slagcheek posted:No because the PIO is on call 24 hours a day and if nothing else the shift commander is authorized to speak on behalf of the department.  24 hours a day meaning monday thru friday between the hours of 9 and 5, probably more like 4 and definitely like 2 on fridays. You know, you are right. The phone is on 24 hours a day. Whether you will get an answer or a call back is another story. No shift commanders he will speak, even if authorized. Admin command would be livid, they want the TV time.
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Cop gay. So What posted:Actual post from a D&D FTP thread.... i read that whole thread and now i want to be a cop Who What Now posted:What are you talking about, Cops can and do go after people who aren't suspects in a crime literally all the time. Christ, you'd have to be deliberately ignoring pretty much everything in the news lately to believe the crap you're spewing. seriously it sounds pretty sweet, do you get paid a volume bonus for arrests? give me my star and jackboots TIA
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Untagged posted:
Nah ours will actually come out.
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Untagged posted:TV time. Funny thing, we're a radio outfit and I've found the fact that phone interviews work just as well as in person ones helps some of the departments. They don't mind talking but apparently gently caress having to stand out and get filmed.
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https://www.facebook.com/BeavertonPoliceDepartment/posts/346485752040659 No unfortunately its not that Mike Rowe.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I tried to post in the old CotB threads and trying to be insightful and informative while not rising to their level of vitriol and ignorance was more stressful than the actual job was.
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bitcoin bastard posted:https://www.facebook.com/BeavertonPoliceDepartment/posts/346485752040659 Man that'd be awesome though. I don't think Media Jackass is a Dirty Enough Job for him though.
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Phuzzy posted:Funny thing, we're a radio outfit and I've found the fact that phone interviews work just as well as in person ones helps some of the departments. They don't mind talking but apparently gently caress having to stand out and get filmed. What up, radio buddy?  One of the things that worked wonders for me, being in a small town with no dedicated Public Information Officer, was putting together a regular show featuring the chief of police. He got used to being interviewed, started working more closely with us, and was more forthcoming with information when we needed it. Plus, people loved being able to call in and bitch about red-light runners on main street to the chief. 
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The DC Police Chief does that with WTOP.
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