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Senor Candle posted:That would be an appropriate comparison if Maryland had just tried to secede from the United States last year. Quebec tries to secede from Canada all the time, doesn't change that they're still regular old Canadians.
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Aphrodite posted:Quebec tries to secede from Canada all the time, doesn't change that they're still regular old Canadians. Yeah if there is one thing I know about Quebec it's that it's the exact same there as everywhere else in Canada.
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Aug 17, 2015 14:59
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It is, except the signs are French.
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Aug 17, 2015 15:03
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They're just like Canadians, except for the language, the culture, the politics
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Aug 17, 2015 15:07
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Having heard Scots, I'm not entirely sure they're speaking the same language as England.
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Aug 17, 2015 15:19
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Were pre Comics Code comics actually lurid and shocking or is that just 50's era moral panic?
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Aug 17, 2015 15:33
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zoux posted:Were pre Comics Code comics actually lurid and shocking or is that just 50's era moral panic? Kind of both. They probably wouldn't shock you now but cultural standards have changed.
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Aug 17, 2015 15:40
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ImpAtom posted:Kind of both. They probably wouldn't shock you now but cultural standards have changed. The original comics code rules were ridiculous. No the word "horror"! No werewolves!
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Aug 17, 2015 15:43
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Some horror and crime comics from back in the day would probably surprise you. Imagine seeing that on a news stand next to your son's Superman, good concerned christian 50's parent! Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Aug 17, 2015 15:46
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zoux posted:The original comics code rules were ridiculous. No the word "horror"! No werewolves! Not arguing with that at all.
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Aug 17, 2015 15:48
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Teenage Fansub posted:Some horror and crime comics from back in the day would probably surprise you. I wanna say it actually is kind of hosed up essentially marketing that to kids one way or another, but there's been worse than that in the children's Halloween aisle for as long as I've been alive, so  .
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Aug 17, 2015 15:55
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WickedHate posted:I wanna say it actually is kind of hosed up essentially marketing that to kids one way or another, but there's been worse than that in the children's Halloween aisle for as long as I've been alive, so Yeah but that is 60 years and a lot of things have changed.
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Aug 17, 2015 15:59
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zoux posted:The original comics code rules were ridiculous. No the word "horror"! No werewolves! A lot of it was written specifically to ruin horror comics.
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Aug 17, 2015 15:59
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Uthor posted:A lot of it was written specifically to ruin horror comics. Who ginned up the moral panic?
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Aug 17, 2015 16:01
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bobkatt013 posted:Yeah but that is 50 years and a lot of things have changed. I know, it's just surprising it took so long to invent seperating children's entertainment from adult's.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:01
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Dr. Frederick Wertham, writer of Seduction of the Innocent. There are a bunch of books and documentaries that cover this period well. I've always been partial to the History Channel's Comicbook Superheroes Unmasked. It's always on YouTube. It came on when I was 14 and I watched it practically every day that summer. The one hosted by Liev Schreiber is pretty cool too.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:02
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Uthor posted:A lot of it was written specifically to ruin horror comics. It was written up specifically to ruin EC as a whole. No Crime or Horror on the covers for the guys publishing Vault of Horror and Crime Tales of Suspense as their highest selling titles. It'd be like if they banned the use of the words Bat and Super.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:04
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Lurdiak posted:It'd be like if they banned the use of the words Bat and Super. Thank god for Action Comics and Detective Comics.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:05
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Lurdiak posted:It'd be like if they banned the use of the words Bat and Super. Smallville did that for like 11 years.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:07
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Were kids really buying Crime Tales of Suspense?
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Aug 17, 2015 16:08
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zoux posted:Were kids really buying Crime Tales of Suspense? Of course they were, who else would be?
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Aug 17, 2015 16:10
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zoux posted:Were kids really buying Crime Tales of Suspense? Absolutely. A lot of the big stuff at the time was crime or cowboy or whatnot. I mean kids these days buy Grand Theft Auto or whatnot, the difference isn't really that big.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:13
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Lurdiak posted:Of course they were, who else would be? Adults, like the ones on this forum, so you know, only technically adults.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:13
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[Dragnet reference] Man, EC Comics was awesome. It's such a shame it got sabotaged like that. Judgment Day was loving phenomenal.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:15
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Lurdiak posted:Of course they were, who else would be? Shiftless night watchmen seem to read comics a lot in comic books.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:15
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zoux posted:Shiftless night watchmen seem to read comics a lot in comic books. They sure do.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:16
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Aphrodite posted:It is, except the signs are French. In Quebec, milk comes in le bags.
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Aug 17, 2015 16:36
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A really really really good book to read about the whole comic codes/Wertham/moral panic thing would be The 10 Cent Plague by Hajdu. Book goes into the history of comics and the beginning of the moral panic and the crazy poo poo surrounding it. Churches used to organize comicbook burnings, kids were encouraged to turn over their comics and lead a good life, yadda yadda. Kind of amazing how the comic industry sort of saved itself by throwing EC under the bus. The whole self-regulating thing was basically there to destroy EC comics which were outselling the superhero stuff. To be fair though, most of stuff the committees and panels attacked were EC comics (not to say that superheroes got off lightly though).
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Aug 17, 2015 17:43
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Skwirl posted:Adults, like the ones on this forum, so you know, only technically adults. And before anyone brings up the obvious brony counterpoint, there was no internet then either so the isolated deviants who might be inclined to do it couldn't get together and tell each other that they were normal and that was a totally okay thing to do.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:03
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Yeah, by all accounts, adults reading comics as a mainstream thing only really started in the 60s.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:11
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How could you tell if there were bronies in the 50's, everyone was wearing fedoras then.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:16
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Frankly, I'm surprised parents of the 50s cared about their children enough to sanitize things. That's only a few generations removed from drummer boys and chimney sweeps.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:18
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CapnAndy posted:Adults in the 1950s were kids before comic books existed, so they did not have a habit to carry forward into adulthood, and very few adults look at the hot new trend among 10 year olds and go "yeah, I want to buy into that poo poo". Plenty of adults bought comics back then, obviously they were more popular among kids, but adults bought them too. Look at any letters page from back in the day.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:21
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Comics were huge among the soldiers fighting in World War II and Korea. Still, comics had the appeal for young teenage boys who were also seen as delinquents. Because of the overlap between comics and young males, people just assumed that these kids disrespected their elders because of comicbooks and therefore if you get rid of comicbooks you get moral upstanding children.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:30
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When Bill Gaines was high as poo poo on benzos and testifying before congress he essentially said that adults were his target market (but also that the severed head cover was in good taste in certain contexts... don't get high and talk to congress, kids).
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Aug 17, 2015 19:49
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:When Bill Gaines was high as poo poo on benzos and testifying before congress he essentially said that adults were his target market (but also that the severed head cover was in good taste in certain contexts... don't get high and talk to congress, kids).
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Aug 17, 2015 19:58
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Somebody has all those letters from old Superman comics from that woman who wanted to see Lois spanked in every issue, right? That might be the weirdest old comics thing I've ever seen, Fletcher Hanks comics not included.
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Aug 17, 2015 20:01
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The one behind-the-scenes thing I remember from that era is the letter from Whitney Ellsworth to Joe Shuster complaining that he was drawing Superman to look "too gay" and relaying Murray Boltinoff's suggestion that Shuster's depiction of Lois should "either have an abortion or the baby" so she'd look like more of the "tasty dish she is supposed to be".
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Aug 17, 2015 20:57
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zoux posted:Were kids really buying Crime Tales of Suspense? Me and everyone I know sure as poo poo watched Robocop, Pulp Fiction, Friday The 13th, etc, etc as children.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Me and everyone I know sure as poo poo watched Robocop, Pulp Fiction, Friday The 13th, etc, etc as children. Look where it got you: posting about comic books on a website called Something Awful. Fredric Wertham was right! (Now I want that on a shirt a la Quentin Quire's Magneto Was right shirt.)
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