Final Fantasy Megathread - People here, it sounds like sickness

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Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Kyrosiris posted:

Thank gently caress I'm not the only one.

I wouldn't mind a Suikoden-esque story about the Twelve who sealed Enuo, either.

I wouldn't mind an actual Suikoden game. :smith:

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# ? May 21, 2024 12:51

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

FF12-2 isn't even a SRPG, its' a weird RTS RPG with not much of the RPG part. It's kind of interesting and some of the levels are almost laid out like a reverse tower defense game, but the story isn't super interesting (though the writing does an impressive job capturing 12's incredibly british dub - you can still hear gideon emery in Balthier's lines, despite the lack of VA) and the gameplay doesn't offer that much variety.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 07:01

Elentor: Dec 14, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I've seen people talking about Gackt "breaking up" with Square-Enix but no one really goes in details or posts a source. What happened?

# ? Aug 18, 2015 07:03

Fur20: Nov 14, 2007; すご▞い！
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね！

Endorph posted:

FF12-2 isn't even a SRPG, its' a weird RTS RPG with not much of the RPG part.

Yeah, please don't play any of the RTS RPGs developed by SE on the DS. If they're anything at all like the Mana one, the games have such bad player-side input lag while still running the enemy AIs normally, your characters will get stuck on one tile and destroyed by enemies who can actually act.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 07:07

NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

The White Dragon posted:

It sounds like you aren't using Wait properly. You should keep someone at full ATB and then open a selection menu while the animation is playing. It prevents your buffs from running out (and prevents the enemies' ATBs from increasing) while your attack animations play.

Oh...that makes sense. I guess this is kind of my bad for playing a hard mod when not knowing a thing about the original game. Hard mods probably assume you know every bit of the mechanics ya know?a Ah well.

quote:

Reflect does not bounce Comet, it's the upside to Comet's downside of having a miss chance. The only thing the old guy in Dali sends you is the airship model that appears in the Tantalus hideout. It's purely cosmetic.

Well that was a waste of time. Oh well. Thanks for telling me.

I can't believe that stupid line in Lindblum Castle was just a Resident Evil reference... Between that and this ship thing, I think I've been playing too many RPGs.

That loving Sned posted:

I got to a point in XIII-2 where the only two Wild Artefacts I could access were the one that required spending hours in the casino and the one hidden on the side of a cliff, which could only be found by positioning the camera in a specific way and throwing Mog at it. All the others were in areas that required Wild Artefacts to unlock.

Even with Gamefaqs it took hours to narrow down which ones I could even get. After all that the game took 20 hours to beat, with 5 of those spent making absolutely no progress. I'd glady take the corridor over that, since at least you're actually given challenging fights, visit new areas, and don't have minute-long loading screens when you realise you're in the wrong place. LR is better than both those games at least.

I tried to get all 160 Fragments but stopped when I realized how bullshit the Bestiary is. I beat the game, watched the "true ending" online and I'm happy.

Excels posted:

clearly you haven't read literally anything nojima has done since then

What about FFX?

McDragon posted:

Maybe it got moved by the mod? You can get it ridiculously early on and have Freya overpowered for a good chunk of the game normally, seems like the sort of thing a difficulty increasing mod would do.

Well even if they did move it, I doubt they can remove the actual treasure location. I never even found it so even if its contents has been changed, I dont know yet. I might try to find it later but not too worry about it right now. Zidane with his Ultima Weapon, Eiko with Holy, Amarant with Power Throw, they can do enough damage on their own.

Glad I found Power Throw. Amarant was getting kinda useless in terms of damage. If only it didn't cost 19 AP. That makes it the single most expensive Ability in the game and that is really annoying.

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Aug 18, 2015

# ? Aug 18, 2015 07:12

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

The White Dragon posted:

Yeah, please don't play any of the RTS RPGs developed by SE on the DS. If they're anything at all like the Mana one, the games have such bad player-side input lag while still running the enemy AIs normally, your characters will get stuck on one tile and destroyed by enemies who can actually act.

I haven't played the Mana one, but 12-2 didn't have that much of a problem with that that I could see. The UI was a little clunky but not that bad.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 07:21

Excels: Mar 7, 2012; Your plastic pal who's fun to be with!

Evil Fluffy posted:

I wouldn't mind an actual Suikoden game.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 09:03

Shoenin: May 29, 2013; Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)

Nojima seems to be the Vince Russo of Final Fantasy

When controlled and filtered, he might have a brilliant idea or two out of a hundred. Left alone you get some of the worst/stupidest abominations ever.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 12:33

ApplesandOranges: Jun 22, 2012; Thankee kindly.

NikkolasKing posted:

Glad I found Power Throw. Amarant was getting kinda useless in terms of damage. If only it didn't cost 19 AP. That makes it the single most expensive Ability in the game and that is really annoying.

It's usually easier to just give Amarant a Wind-element claw, a Wind-boosting piece of equipment like the Bracer, then slap on stuff like MP Attack and <enemy-type> Killer. The problem is that Steiner can do the job almost as well with the Excalibur and Rebirth Ring, but Amarant does provide more support options.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 13:00

NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

Shoenin posted:

Nojima seems to be the Vince Russo of Final Fantasy

When controlled and filtered, he might have a brilliant idea or two out of a hundred. Left alone you get some of the worst/stupidest abominations ever.

Comparing anyone to the piece of human trash that is Vince Russo is a bit harsh but I agree with your overall point. Nojima had help with VII and X while he appeared to do VIII and Kingdom Hearts on his own and we can see a huge disparity in quality from Group A to Group B.

ApplesandOranges posted:

It's usually easier to just give Amarant a Wind-element claw, a Wind-boosting piece of equipment like the Bracer, then slap on stuff like MP Attack and <enemy-type> Killer. The problem is that Steiner can do the job almost as well with the Excalibur and Rebirth Ring, but Amarant does provide more support options.

I actually have him wearing the Bracer since it's the best normal hand equipment that I can find. You can steal them from Chimeras in the mod. I like Amarant not only because of his support options but I can keep him in the back row as well. I pretty much keep everyone in the back row these days. Now he has Power Throw he can hit nice and hard too.

in FFIX Mod News, I just beat Hades. First off, he has Auto-Protect and maybe Auto-Shell. Secondly, I made the fight harder on myself by having Zidane using the Masamune instead of Ultima Weapon because I forgot to change it back. I had the Masamune equipped in order to use Soul Blade and Doom on Chimeras and easily end the fight. I was level grinding in the first area of Memoria where only Iron Man's and Chimeras appear and Iron Man are easy enemies but Chimeras were annoying. Then I realized they were vulnerable to Doom and that 10 counter will run out super fast. Anyway, that plus Auto-Protect is why Zidane only did a little over a 1000 damage to Hades. Probably with Ultima Weapon he would have been able to deal 2000 with Scoop Art. Most of the heavy lifting thus fell to Eiko and Holy. She could still do between 3500 and 4000.

I stole from Hades on the first attempt but while I got the Robe of Lords in my first try, I didn't care enough to bother doing it again. I already have one and none of my other active party members can use it. Besides, I have kept Eiko wearing the White Robe anyway because it increases her Holy's damage.

Hades'' moveset is 99% Powering Sword. He will occasionally cast Reflect, do Judgment Sword - which actually kills you this time, assuming it hits - or use Stone. He also has a move called Damnation which, as far as I can tell, permanently KO's a party member if it hits. On my second attempt he started the fight with that move on Zidane and nothing I could do revived him. But as I said, most of the time he'll be counting down to his super moves. He alternates between Curse and Doomsday. Now I don't know if it's just the fact we area about 10 level highers than we were when we fought Ozma - everyone is level 67 or 68 - and we have better equipment on, or if Hades' Curse is weaker than Ozma's but sometimes it missed and didn't KO everyone. Maybe it wasn't Instant KO Ozma hit us with but the attack was simply too strong for anyone to survive at the time. But yeah, after he powers up to use Curse he will power up again and use Doomsday. Even with Shell on and Ribbons across the board no one could survive it unless they just straight up evaded it. Magic Evasion is such a weird and annoying stat. Luckily Amarant has Aura. Really don't even know how you'd beat this game without Eiko an her Full-Life or Amarant's Auto-Life.

Power Throw is really good, too. Between a Rising Sun, a Scoop Art and a Holy, we can typically do about 10-12000 damage to most enemies. These days I don't even bother having Freya do damage in boss fights. She's like a really beefy support character with her Dragon Armor and Chemist ability.

Mostly I'm just glad I beat Hades because now I can make Ethers and Phoenix Pinions. That was a great surprise I maxed out on both of those right away.

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ApplesandOranges: Jun 22, 2012; Thankee kindly.

Did Damnation do something like apply Zombie? If that's the case you'd need to use a Spell Tag before you can revive them.

I'm actually halfway curious how the mod's gonna tamper with the last three bosses.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 13:23

Kyrosiris: May 24, 2006; You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".

Evil Fluffy posted:

I wouldn't mind an actual Suikoden game.

Yeah, well, even I'm not that much of a dreamer.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 13:32

NikkolasKing: Apr 3, 2010

ApplesandOranges posted:

Did Damnation do something like apply Zombie? If that's the case you'd need to use a Spell Tag before you can revive them.

I'm actually halfway curious how the mod's gonna tamper with the last three bosses.

You know that's kind of what I was thinking. It isn't the first time someone has been KO'ed while a status effect was on them preventing me from immediately reviving them. Last time it was Petrify though but I never even thought of Zombie or using a Magic Tag on Zidane. I haven't run into anyone who inflicts Zombie in a long, long time.

It's a little late to check now though, unfortunately. But I wouldn't be surprised if you were right.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 13:34

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Pesky Splinter posted:

No, and not yet known thus far. Shantotto is currently the only known returning FFXI character. Any console port would also be released only after the acade version, also.

50 is insanely too many characters for a fighting game.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 13:35

Tempo 119: Apr 17, 2006

In Training posted:

50 is insanely too many characters for a fighting game.

Works for Tekken....

# ? Aug 18, 2015 13:42

The GIG: Jun 28, 2011; Yeah, I say "Shit" a shit-ton of times. What of it, shithead?

In Training posted:

50 is insanely too many characters for a fighting game.

Dissidia Arcade doesn't even have the depth of the originals, much less an actual fighting game, so having a ton of characters would be okay.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 13:57

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

The GIG posted:

Dissidia Arcade doesn't even have the depth of the originals, much less an actual fighting game, so having a ton of characters would be okay.

I figured this is the case and it's probably lots of shared move sets to just include a shitload of fan favorite characters

# ? Aug 18, 2015 14:01

BreakAtmo: May 16, 2009

http://www.spieletester.com/specials/final-fantasy-xv-interview-mit-hajime-tabata/

Needs Google Translate, unless someone here can give a more accurate translation. I found a website that says:

quote:

Something new on Final Fantasy XV has emerged online today thanks to a new Gamescom 2015 interview with director Hajime Tabata posted on Spieletester. During the interview, Mr. Tabata has revealed some interesting new details on the game�s magic system.
According to the Final Fantasy XV director, magic will be activated by special rings the characters will be able to wear. Final Fantasy XV�s magic won�t come out directly from characters hands but it will be a manipulation of the elements in the environment. Magic in the game is also going to be divided into two different types, with one type being a special one that only those from the Lucis family can use. Finally, Mr. Tabata confirmed that magic is around 60% complete, as it is fully functional but it still leaves something to be desired in the visual department.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 14:26

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Final fantasy: Every game guaranteed to be at least 40% visuals.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 14:37

Mokinokaro: Sep 11, 2001; At the end of everything, hold onto anything; Fun Shoe

Evil Fluffy posted:

I wouldn't mind an actual Suikoden game.

The only Suikoden we're going to see is a pachinko or free to play mobile garbage.

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Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

In Training posted:

I figured this is the case and it's probably lots of shared move sets to just include a shitload of fan favorite characters

Eh, probably not. The Gundam VS games that it's pretty clearly inspired by don't outright share movesets, the move sets are just fairly small.

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ApplesandOranges: Jun 22, 2012; Thankee kindly.

So magic in FFXV is just going to be Avatar-style bending?

I'd be okay with that.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 14:43

Saoshyant: Oct 26, 2010

I have eight hours left to decide if I want to preorder Type-0 on Steam or not. I have not played any version of this game before even though it caught my eye way back on the PSP. I also know the story is a huge mess, though not the details because I didn't want to spoiler myself. So it's a good time for someone to convince me not to buy this thing 'cause I'm listening. On the good side it's 22� with bonus Dota 2 items I can probably flip to lower up the price even more. On the other, I don't see anyone clamoring for it anywhere.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 14:45

Andrast: Apr 21, 2010

Saoshyant posted:

I have eight hours left to decide if I want to preorder Type-0 on Steam or not. I have not played any version of this game before even though it caught my eye way back on the PSP. I also know the story is a huge mess, though not the details because I didn't want to spoiler myself. So it's a good time for someone to convince me not to buy this thing 'cause I'm listening. On the good side it's 22� with bonus Dota 2 items I can probably flip to lower up the price even more. On the other, I don't see anyone clamoring for it anywhere.

It's bad.

Okay it's not bad, it's mediocre. Buy it when it's $5 or less on a Steam sale.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 14:46

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

It's alright. I wouldn't have bought it if it didn't come with the XV demo, and I still have only played it for about 2 hours, once.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 14:48

Tempo 119: Apr 17, 2006

It's good.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 14:49

McDragon: Sep 11, 2007

They should make a Final Fantasy game where you control a Hell House. You start off as a Hell Brick and you have to hunt stuff and find a mate and have lots of Hell Cottages and end up with a tribe of Hell Dwellings and then you have to lead them to prosperity. And then you make an entire city of Hell Buildings and go destroy Midgar or something. You have to sneak up on them, one building at a time. You assimilate the whole place and then envoys from other countries visit and you have to pretend to be a real city. While quietly murdering them all. Then your people evolve into Hell Airships and you take over the world.

Anyway, that's my stupid Final Fantasy idea for today.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:04

Saoshyant: Oct 26, 2010

Goddamn it, you guys, don't make me go read reviews. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:06

Sakurazuka: Jan 24, 2004; NANI?

Saoshyant posted:

Goddamn it, you guys, don't make me go read reviews. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Some people like it, some people don't. It's an okay game but nothing special and despite how much work they did on it nothing can disguise that it's a PSP game blown up to 1080p.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 15:08

Saoshyant: Oct 26, 2010

Sakurazuka posted:

Some people like it, some people don't. It's an okay game but nothing special and despite how much work they did on it nothing can disguise that it's a PSP game blown up to 1080p.

All right, no red flags and I can live with the downsides of the upperscaling/remastering process.

_{_{_{I'm probably only buying it because of my schoolgirl uniform fetish.}}}

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:01

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Saoshyant posted:

All right, no red flags and I can live with the downsides of the upperscaling/remastering process.

_{_{_{I'm probably only buying it because of my schoolgirl uniform fetish.}}}

Well, you can fuel that fetish for 0 dollars - have you heard of Google?

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:03

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

FF Type-0 is one of the few FF games I've finished, so it was compelling/fun enough for me to finish it.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:28

Folt The Bolt: Feb 21, 2012; Nothing exciting to see here. Move along.

In Training posted:

I figured this is the case and it's probably lots of shared move sets to just include a shitload of fan favorite characters

A fighting game where over half of the characters are clones of another character. :allears:

(It would actually be kind of hilarious)

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:35

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Folt The Bolt posted:

A fighting game where over half of the characters are clones of another character.

(It would actually be kind of hilarious)

Might I suggest Super Smash Brothers

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:36

Folt The Bolt: Feb 21, 2012; Nothing exciting to see here. Move along.

In Training posted:

Might I suggest Super Smash Brothers

Sorry, but even the one game with the most clone characters never even got close to the 50% mark.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:38

Excels: Mar 7, 2012; Your plastic pal who's fun to be with!

In Training posted:

50 is insanely too many characters for a fighting game.

Smash 4 is approaching 60+ characters at this point.

Marvel vs Capcom 2 had close to that many as well.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:54

Excels: Mar 7, 2012; Your plastic pal who's fun to be with!

Mokinokaro posted:

The only Suikoden we're going to see is a pachinko or free to play mobile garbage.

The one series I would back on Kickstarter for a spiritual successor.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:56

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

Excels posted:

The one series I would back on Kickstarter for a spiritual successor.

Eh. A big part of the appeal of Suikoden was the worldsetting. "Rebooting" that loses a big chunk of it. You even saw that somewhat with Tierkries/The PSP one.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:57

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

Ultra street Fighter 4 has about 43.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 16:59

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BreakAtmo: May 16, 2009

Excels posted:

Smash 4 is approaching 60+ characters at this point.

Marvel vs Capcom 2 had close to that many as well.

UMvC3 has 50. 51 if you count Galactus.

# ? Aug 18, 2015 17:04

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