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Shbobdb posted:Also, I don't get the third rail hate. MTA works on a third rail system and gets serviced just fine. They also do a lot more double-tracking though. Does BART even do any?
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Armani posted:That was legit amazing. It felt like I was in Kona. My more traveled brother said it felt like a nicer version of Thailand. Both are better than this devil's rear end in a top hat heat. I grew up in Idaho and I've stood outside and experienced electrical storms close up that wrecked poo poo everywhere. Those were pussy storms compared to that storm. I was literally hiding in the center of my house and covering my ears. Pohl fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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These last few days have been absolute paradise. I walked in Redwood park today and could not tell where my skin ended and the air began. You pussies complain about this poo poo?
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Zesty Mordant posted:These last few days have been absolute paradise. I walked in Redwood park today and could not tell where my skin ended and the air began. You pussies complain about this poo poo? It is a bit warm, but, hehehe. It is loving gorgeous.
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Pohl posted:I grew up in Idaho and I've stood outside and experienced electrical storms close up that wrecked poo poo everywhere. gently caress humidity though. Half the point of living in southern California is that it's not humid for more than a few days a year. Cold and humid is fine, hot and dry is fine, but hot and humid is loving miserable. I don't know how anyone stands living outside of here.
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So I've been reading this thread and I've got a question. Is Rah! autistic or mildly retarded? Looking at how he/she posts and structures responses it seems likely. I was curious about how much credence you guys give his posts.
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FCKGW posted:Sheriff Sniff piloted one of the first body camera programs in the state, scaled back the take-home car program and blamed runaway pay and pensions for contract city's police force costs inflating. The union has pulled their support in return. And the sad thing is, they're probably going to get rid of him. Goddamn are the Sheriffs in Riverside a shameful disgrace. I know a few of these people through family friends and they are the biggest macho babies around. Also super right-wing, of course (which is why they had their union publicly cry about the ACLU). Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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Aug 18, 2015 15:17
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Dirk the Average posted:gently caress humidity though. Half the point of living in southern California is that it's not humid for more than a few days a year. Cold and humid is fine, hot and dry is fine, but hot and humid is loving miserable. I don't know how anyone stands living outside of here. Man I live in Texas now and the heat/humidity isn't that big of a deal as long as you're not doing anything strenuous. Warm/humid nights can actually be really fun. Still miss CA weather, though.
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Keyser S0ze posted:Texas weather in the summer is horribly sweaty and inhuman and that's not counting the dust and smog. Could be worse though. Could be Florida. That made Virginia feel cool and dry in comparison.
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Keyser S0ze posted:Texas weather in the summer is horribly sweaty and inhuman and that's not counting the dust and smog. Texas is hot and humid as humid and hot can be during the summer, but where pray tell did you go that had plenty of dust and smog?
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Isn't all of west texas like a dust bowl or something?
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Space-Bird posted:Isn't all of west texas like a dust bowl or something? Not this year.  Oh note that 2-3 weeks ago it was 95% white.
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Back Hack posted:Texas is hot and humid as humid and hot can be during the summer, but where pray tell did you go that had plenty of dust and smog? outside Dallas both times I've been there to play golf in June 2005 and June 2010.........reminded me of late 70's inland southern california when I was a little kid (without the exhaust smell though), maybe some fires were going on - definitely couldn't see from Irving to Flower Mound, lol.
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l m a oquote:The Central Valley is sinking at a record pace as drought-gripped farms pump out the groundwater beneath them, new satellite data show.
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FMguru posted:Permanently destroying our aquifers is a small price to pay compared to the importance of growing almonds for export to China. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have created an artificial hinterland with endemic unemployment and despair just so people could enjoy cheap strawberries and profit off of shipping almonds to China. What I mean to say is that The Central Valley is entirely a colonialist narrative and the wealthy imperialist pigs in the urban centers love bemoaning the stupid poors in their little colony and how they can't seem to manage their impoverished third world country.
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I can't speak for most of my fellow wealthy imperialist pigs, but I mostly blame huge, profitable agricultural corporations for this, not their impoverished serf employees.
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TildeATH posted:Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have created an artificial hinterland with endemic unemployment and despair just so people could enjoy cheap strawberries and profit off of shipping almonds to China. Yes those poor poor billionaires certainly deserve our pity But the region is about a lot more than just shitburgers, migrant workers and toxic pesticides. This stretch of the Central Valley should really be called Oligarch Valley. It ain't Park Avenue, so you won't see any huge mansions. But just about all the land running along the highway and as far as you can see to the horizon is owned by a small clique of billionaires and oligarchs, many of whom trace their roots back to the landholdings of America's most notorious industrialist vampires: the Union Pacific Railroad octopus, John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil, the family of belligerent Los Angeles Times publisher Harry Chandler... Some of these illustrious farmers come from old Southern plantation families that had diversified their agricultural operations into California over a century ago using the next best thing to slave labor: migrant workers. Their offspring still run the place like their very own banana republic. They fly in to inspect their businesses on private jets, buy politicians, own entire towns, import migrant slave labor, pollute and plunder with impunity and bend everything and everyone to their will. They wield enormous political power, and the vast tracts of land under their control boggles the mind. You can drive for an hour at 80 mph and only trace one side of a single oligarch-family farm. And yet, they are nearly invisible to the general public.
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Yeah, you're right, you shot down my colonialist critique by pointing to the existence of a disgusting oligarchy, because lol that never happens in colonialization.
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TildeATH posted:Yeah, you're right, you shot down my colonialist critique by pointing to the existence of a disgusting oligarchy, because lol that never happens in colonialization. Typical cognitive error of the radical left, mistaking poverty for virtuousness.
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Large corporate farms waste less water and pollute less per unit of food produced than smaller farms or growing food at home. 
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Again, when wealthy liberal city-dwelling elites criticize "the farmers" they are not aiming at the grape-pickers, they're aiming at the oligarchs. Defending the laborers as a response is misconstruing the original complaint.
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Leperflesh posted:Again, when wealthy liberal city-dwelling elites criticize "the farmers" they are not aiming at the grape-pickers, they're aiming at the oligarchs. Defending the laborers as a response is misconstruing the original complaint. No, in general rural people are characterized as incestuous simpletons.
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FMguru posted:l m a o Literally the same thing happened in Central Turkey about a decade ago. They pumped out all the water, and entire plains sunk measurably, destroying infrastructure and cracking the foundations of countless buildings.
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computer parts posted:No, in general rural people are characterized as incestuous simpletons. Have you met any rural people?
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computer parts posted:No, in general rural people are characterized as incestuous simpletons. We're not talking in general. We're talking about the current debate in California about water usage. In this debate, city folk are accused of focusing their wrath upon the downtrodden farmers of the central valley. This is misdirection: the city folk are actually directing their wrath upon the wealthy oligarchs who control California agriculture. It's a convenient and effective misdirection that is used constantly in politics to deflect criticism of everything from corn subsidies to pesticide regulations. Those "Congress Created Dust Bowl" signs on I-5 are exactly that sort of misdirection: the phrase "dust bowl" conjures black-and-white imagery of suffering workers in abject poverty, Steinbeck novels, etc. This isn't about poverty in the rural counties. It's not about those rich folk in the cities who "just don't get it" about the salt-of-the-earth clean-country-livin' farmers what feed America on the sweat of their backs. It's not about undocumented immigrants being exploited by whining white suburbanites who "can't get a job" but would never dream of (and simply couldn't handle) 12 hours bent over picking strawberries in the California summer heat. It's not about struggling family farmers or the loss of the American Way of Life. It's about a handful of wealthy families and profitable corporations exporting California's limited water to Texas and China in the form of an unnecessary alfalfa crop, depleting its millenia-old aquifer permanently, and a state goverment so far largely unwilling to give up the lucrative lobbying dollars those families shovel into their pockets.
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Zesty Mordant posted:These last few days have been absolute paradise. I walked in Redwood park today and could not tell where my skin ended and the air began. You pussies complain about this poo poo? It got to 107 where I was a few days ago. Today? Exactly like your Redwood walk. loving amaziiiing. Also, I think I found a place in San Diego County area? Go Team Venture? Whole new frontier for me. FMguru posted:l m a o Oh cool! Super awesome! Yay! God help us Armani fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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Armani posted:It got to 107 where I was a few days ago. Today? Exactly like your Redwood walk. loving amaziiiing. Where in San Diego? I'm in Mission Valley currently but I'll be moving soon.
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Bobby Digital posted:Where in San Diego? I'm in Mission Valley currently but I'll be moving soon. Can't we just ban groundwater pumping in the central valley for the next 25 years until the aquifer can kind of sorta recharge? CA state government isn't above just arbitrarily laying down bullshit rules so why can't they do something that will actually ...you know, keep California functional in the long (+10000 years) term? I'm not a treehugger or anything (delta smelt can sit in an aquarium until conditions permit a release) but permabanning our aquifers which won't be fixed on a geologic timescale seems horribly irresponsible and then what happens? The billionaires just pack up and move somewhere else while half of our state is left to rot? The lobbying money will go with them so why can't the govt just tell them to go gently caress themselves if they don't stop setting up rice paddies in a drought and collapsing irreplaceable aquifers?
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Trabisnikof posted:Large corporate farms waste less water and pollute less per unit of food produced than smaller farms or growing food at home. Leperflesh posted:It's about a handful of wealthy families and profitable corporations exporting California's limited water to Texas and China in the form of an unnecessary alfalfa crop, depleting its millenia-old aquifer permanently, and a state goverment so far largely unwilling to give up the lucrative lobbying dollars those families shovel into their pockets.
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cheese posted:Larger farms tend to be more efficient for obvious reasons. That they are corporate owned and part of an agriculture oligarchy has nothing to do with the benefits large scale ag. I'm fairly libertarian and somewhat left leaning but this is the kind of thing I'm all for unleashing the unholy power of the State on. "Compensate" these corporations and boot them out, permanently. This is such a massive public health and safety liability, why can't they look at anything beyond next quarter's profits? 
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Minarchist posted:Can't we just ban groundwater pumping in the central valley for the next 25 years until the aquifer can kind of sorta recharge? CA state government isn't above just arbitrarily laying down bullshit rules so why can't they do something that will actually ...you know, keep California functional in the long (+10000 years) term? I'm not a treehugger or anything (delta smelt can sit in an aquarium until conditions permit a release) but permabanning our aquifers which won't be fixed on a geologic timescale seems horribly irresponsible and then what happens? The billionaires just pack up and move somewhere else while half of our state is left to rot? The lobbying money will go with them so why can't the govt just tell them to go gently caress themselves if they don't stop setting up rice paddies in a drought and collapsing irreplaceable aquifers? aquifers take a few hundred to a few thousand years to recharge.
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Minarchist posted:Can't we just ban groundwater pumping in the central valley for the next 25 years until the aquifer can kind of sorta recharge? CA state government isn't above just arbitrarily laying down bullshit rules so why can't they do something that will actually ...you know, keep California functional in the long (+10000 years) term? I'm not a treehugger or anything (delta smelt can sit in an aquarium until conditions permit a release) but permabanning our aquifers which won't be fixed on a geologic timescale seems horribly irresponsible and then what happens? The billionaires just pack up and move somewhere else while half of our state is left to rot? The lobbying money will go with them so why can't the govt just tell them to go gently caress themselves if they don't stop setting up rice paddies in a drought and collapsing irreplaceable aquifers? An outright ban would probably insta-crush a number of farms, plus tens of thousands of homes and businesses that aren't hooked up to municipal water supplies. But I don't think a ban is even necessary. This is just another case where people are extracting a resource from "the commons" - a resource that we, the people, own via eminent domain - without paying for it. The well you drilled may be on your property, but the aquifer you're extracting water from surely extends beyond it, sometimes for hundreds of miles. Metering well water would, by itself, be a huge and expensive undertaking. But if it could be done in any kind of reasonable timetable, we could then simply charge by the gallon, perhaps on a sliding scale, perhaps charging reasonable residential users less than corporations, etc. etc. in a similar way to how we already meter other public utilities. I think it would be politically very difficult to do. A lot of people have this (erroneous) impression that "ownership" of a piece of land is an entitlement to do what they want with it, and anyone who says different is violating a fundamental right. It's not always easy to convince folks that the government charging them for something they previously took for free is remotely fair... especially when, if you put it to a vote, the large majority of voters (who mostly don't have private wells) are voting to tax a minority. But a deed to a piece of real estate isn't absolute ownership. The land was "won" originally by the country - through conquest, war, theft, purchase, whatever - and then the right to use the land was given or sold to people as a way of promoting development, economic growth, and general prosperity. Whenever the use to which an individual wants to put land runs counter to the public interest, the public wins, because the land actually belongs to the public. I don't find this to be a particularly difficult concept to grasp, but there's enough libertarians, freemen-on-the-landers, NIMBYists, etc. that it seems like sometimes nobody else sees things this way.
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etalian posted:aquifers take a few hundred to a few thousand years to recharge. Depends on the specifics of the aquifers. Aquifer recharging is both already an important tool and will be an even more important tool in the future. Water districts already use aquifer recharging to bank water during wet years.
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etalian posted:aquifers take a few hundred to a few thousand years to recharge. Totally worth it for those almonds.
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FMguru posted:Worse, the aquifers aren't there any more - all that ground settling is the empty space that used to hold water being squished out of existence. According to a CA Almond Board 
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Litany Unheard posted:According to a CA Almond Board Ban all cash crops for the next 100 years. We don't need almond exports and alfalfa sprouts at the permanent expense of our fundamental water supply. A strong contender for the most cancerous commercial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybJ6fS7ruuo It's so bad! stuck on the 405 and this comes on and I cant frantically mash my radio fast enough holy poo poo gently caress this commercial and to hell with any kids that get helped, gently caress 'em, this commercial is literally brain poison 
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Minarchist posted:Ban all cash crops for the next 100 years. We don't need almond exports and alfalfa sprouts at the permanent expense of our fundamental water supply. It's not really the alfalfa sprouts you'd be exporting, it's alfalfa hay for livestock feed. Alfalfa is very high protein and pretty much the most desirable thing to feed your cattle over the winter, cut with some corn or straw hay or whatever. But most of it's going toward feeding cows (maybe pigs too?) for beef and milk production.
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Minarchist posted:Ban all cash crops for the next 100 years. We don't need almond exports and alfalfa sprouts at the permanent expense of our fundamental water supply. I always hated that commercial too. There seemed something strange about it to me, like it wasn't on the level, because they never really say what the charity is actually for, other than 'kids'...but apparently it's only for Jewish children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kars4Kids quote:Donations to Kars4Kids benefit the Oorah (Joy for Our Youth, or J.O.Y.), a national organization with a stated goal of addressing the "educational, material, emotional and spiritual needs of Jewish children and their families."[3] I didn't realize charities could just be funding for religious propaganda. I always thought there had to be some sort of veil of humanitarian outreach.
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