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ass cobra
May 28, 2004

by Azathoth

wouldn't, would maybe, wouldn't, would

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Yawgmoft
Nov 15, 2004
The Seven Wonders of the ancient world were all real what are these lies I'm seeing in a politics thread?

i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS

discoukulele posted:

Are there any good books or documentaries about the 2012 primaries? I've just kinda had this itch to relive all of the greatest hits from the last go-around.

Netflix has Mitt and Caucus which are both entertaining and strangely humanizing for Romney and Santorum (to the extent that you can humanize either of these monsters).

suburban virgin
Jul 26, 2007
Highly qualified lurker.

Yawgmoft posted:

The Seven Wonders of the ancient world were all real what are these lies I'm seeing in a politics thread?

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

TasogareNoKagi
Jul 11, 2013

Hodgepodge posted:

Yeah, that's how it played out in Berlin.

The inner German border seems more relevant. A 1km-wide border cordon, electronic detectors, dogs, mines, "unclimbable" fence materials, watch towers and border guards with a standing order to shoot escaping citizens.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

fade5 posted:

ahahaha thanks for proving my point Jeb!

Seriously, how many more landmines is Jeb! gonna jump on before we even manage to get to the next debate, much less the convention or the general?

Nostalgia cuts both ways.

"They will greet us as liberators."

Sends a chill up your spine, doesn't it?

I applaud Jeb! for all of these statements because it is the true test to see how fondly America remembers the W. administration.

richardfun
Aug 10, 2008

Twenty years? It's no wonder I'm so hungry. Do you have anything to eat?
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Trump being a Republican candidate apparently means that The Hollywood Reporter is now interested in primary politics.

The Donald Trump Conversation: Murdoch, Ailes, NBC and the Rush of Being TV's "Ratings Machine"



You should read the whole thing, but I really think you should have a little taste first.

quote:

Q: What was the last thing you apologized for?

A: It was too many years ago to remember. I have one of the great memories of all time, but it was too long ago.

Q: Eventually, HBO will do a movie about this election. Who should play you?

A: Somebody really, really handsome. That's the only thing that matters. I don't care if he can act well. He's got to be really, really good-looking. OK?

E: the cover of THR is too good not to add.

richardfun fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Aug 19, 2015

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Dr.Zeppelin posted:

It's not really pedantic to point out that it's dumb to make up your own private language where well established terms have definitions you just invented.

You mean like when liberals say something's a dog whistle.

Bunleigh
Jun 6, 2005

by exmarx
Has anybody compiled a list of all the rakes Jeb! has stepped on so far? It's getting hard to remember them all.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Bunleigh posted:

Has anybody compiled a list of all the rakes Jeb! has stepped on so far? It's getting hard to remember them all.

XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube

Latest CNN/ORC poll, Trump ties with Walker as strongest against Clinton in the general among registered voters.

Clinton: 52 Bush: 43
Clinton: 51 Trump: 45
Clinton: 52 Walker: 46

Rocks
Dec 30, 2011

Joementum posted:

Martin O'Malley is holding a rally at the Trump Hotel with Trump Hotel workers at 11am today. :munch:

Conspiracy theory time: Koch and other Republican billionaires are donating to O Malley's campaign in exchange for O Malley to set his sights on Trump now to try and ruin him

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Nintendo Kid posted:

Also what are you smoking that you think hillary Clinton isn't the very model of a liberal?
She voted for the war in Iraq, so while she may be close aside from that, it seems like definitionally she wouldn't be the very model of a liberal, since an ideal liberal wouldn't have done that. Man, you'd think with your love of pedantics you'd be keen to avoid making such absurd claims.

Aside from that:
I hope Jeb! never shuts up and his polls keep tanking and he's forced to the kiddie table for the next debate. It would be wonderful.

richardfun
Aug 10, 2008

Twenty years? It's no wonder I'm so hungry. Do you have anything to eat?
This should really be a pick me up for JEB!'s campaign.

Jeb Bush Got $1.3M Job At Lehman After Florida Shifted Pension Cash To Bank

quote:

For Florida taxpayers, the move by the administration of then-Gov. Jeb Bush to forge a relationship with Lehman Brothers would ultimately prove disastrous. Transactions in 2005 and 2006 put the Wall Street investment bank in charge of some $250 million worth of pension funds for Florida cops, teachers and firefighters. Lehman would capture more than $5 million in fees on these deals, while gaining additional contracts to manage another $1.2 billion of Florida's money. Then, in the fall of 2008, Lehman collapsed into bankruptcy, leaving Florida facing up to $1 billion in losses.

But for Jeb Bush personally, his enduring relationship with Lehman would prove lucrative. In 2007, just as he left office, Bush secured a job as a Lehman consultant for $1.3 million a year, Bloomberg reported.


Weeks after Bush took the Lehman job, the Florida State Board of Administration (SBA) -- a three-member body that makes investment decisions about state pension funds and whose ranks had recently included one Jeb Bush -- gave Lehman additional business: SBA purchased $842 million worth of separate investments in Lehman’s mortgage-backed securities. Over the course of the year, the SBA would shift an additional $420 million of pension money into the same fund in which the state had begun investing under Bush.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

GlyphGryph posted:

Aside from that:
I hope Jeb! never shuts up and his polls keep tanking and he's forced to the kiddie table for the next debate. It would be wonderful.

Is there even a kiddie table at the next debate?

Dogstoyevsky
Oct 9, 2012

If there is no Dog, everything is permitted

Rocks posted:

Conspiracy theory time: Koch and other Republican billionaires are donating to O Malley's campaign in exchange for O Malley to set his sights on Trump now to try and ruin him

What guns can O'Malley bring to bear that haven't already been turned on Trump? This would be a terrific waste of money. I think it's more likely that O'Malley's trying to start poo poo in the hopes of coattailing some media attention.

Tempest_56
Mar 14, 2009

Dogstoyevsky posted:

What guns can O'Malley bring to bear that haven't already been turned on Trump? This would be a terrific waste of money. I think it's more likely that O'Malley's trying to start poo poo in the hopes of coattailing some media attention.

Eh, there's legs to it. If you're the Kochs, which would you prefer? Trump raking GOP candidates over the coals or spending his time blasting a Democrat? And it's not like giving O'Malley more press time as a result would be a downside for them, either.

im a ski bum
Feb 17, 2011

Lehman gave Kasich the same job. Fortunately he was not yet the governor and was unsuccessful in his lobbying efforts.

Feather
Mar 1, 2003
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.

Skwirl posted:

It's Hillaryous to me that people actually think this email thing will stick at all.

Edit: Oh yeah, someone was asking about the Donald Trump being a rapist thing earlier


And his campaign's Special council's response.

The Special council's response was aggressively sexist and incredibly dumb. But it wasn't as dumb as the "rape scene" described in that article (from the book it references). The way it's written in that book one can easily be forgiven for dismissing it as being unbelievable. It reads like something out of a cheap fetish novel or soap opera script. Just terrible.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Tatum Girlparts posted:

For a while my uncle was an 'undocumented immigrant' here (his visa expired and he didn't give a poo poo), funny enough never heard any politician hemming and hawing about how we just NEED to handle these undocumented Romanians represented by him and his drinking buddies. Trump and his ilk (he's just more crassly stating normal right wing 'solutions' to immigration issues) are racist shitpiles because they turned a vast group like immigrants into "THE FUCKIN MEXICANS"

To be fair, he was not undocumented. He was documented as being found admissible to the U.S., he is documented as having arrived in the U.S., he's just overstayed his visa and is thus remaining in the country against immigration law. This is different from someone who crossed the border illegally and is thus completely undocumented by the immigration system.

It's also an issue, but a much smaller one. Border security is a security issue, people overstaying visas is just an immigration issue.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

sullat posted:

Is there even a kiddie table at the next debate?

There is!

MrBims
Sep 25, 2007

by Ralp

quote:

Candidates who satisfy the criteria and achieve an average of at least one percent in three national polls, but are not ranked in the top 10 of polling order will be invited to participate in “Segment A” of the September 16, 2015 Republican Presidential Primary Debate.

So the kids table might have to turn a few people away.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

GlyphGryph posted:

She voted for the war in Iraq, so while she may be close aside from that, it seems like definitionally she wouldn't be the very model of a liberal, since an ideal liberal wouldn't have done that. Man, you'd think with your love of pedantics you'd be keen to avoid making such absurd claims.

No, liberals frequently vote for wars the world over.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Boooooring!

I think after every debate someone should be voted off by the audience and permanently kicked to the kids table, then the next real debate has 1 fewer spot. Let's bring the reality show angle full circle.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Nintendo Kid posted:

No, liberals frequently vote for wars the world over.

Don't forget her votes for the Patriot Act and DOMA.

Brigadier Sockface
Apr 1, 2007

discoukulele posted:

Are there any good books or documentaries about the 2012 primaries? I've just kinda had this itch to relive all of the greatest hits from the last go-around.

Did Mitt ever find out who let the dogs out?

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax

TheDisreputableDog posted:

Don't forget her votes for the Patriot Act and DOMA.

She didn't vote for DOMA? Wasn't that passed in the 90s before she became a senator?

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice
Hillary Clinton: Voted in favour of the Trail of Tears.

Bernie Sanders: Sponsored a bill to make Anime real.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Nintendo Kid posted:

No, liberals frequently vote for wars the world over.

I'm not saying she's not a liberal or that liberals don't vote for wars. Again, you described her as a model liberal, claiming there was no way in which she wasn't.

What definition of "model liberal" are using where "voting for the war in Iraq" would be acceptable?

Maybe you meant to use a different term, one that wasn't obviously wrong?

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

The Nastier Nate posted:

Boooooring!

I think after every debate someone should be voted off by the audience and permanently kicked to the kids table, then the next real debate has 1 fewer spot. Let's bring the reality show angle full circle.

If there's four or fewer people at the kids table they take two people from the main debate and demote them down leaving only 8 at the main debate. We only need three people to not qualify to make that happen.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

greatn posted:

She didn't vote for DOMA? Wasn't that passed in the 90s before she became a senator?

Yeah sorry I should have said her support for DOMA - both at the time and in 2000 she said she would have signed it in too.

Cephalocidal
Dec 23, 2005

greatn posted:

She didn't vote for DOMA? Wasn't that passed in the 90s before she became a senator?

Didn't vote for but publicly supported. This was a time when she was also busy praising Doug "Hitler was a pretty cool dude" Coe's spiritual integrity and influence.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Constant Hamprince posted:

Hillary Clinton: Voted in favour of the Trail of Tears.

Bernie Sanders: Sponsored a bill to make Anime real.

Ben Carson: Actively lobbied for a 4th Matrix movie.

Tricky D
Apr 1, 2005

I love um!

greatn posted:

She didn't vote for DOMA? Wasn't that passed in the 90s before she became a senator?

Yes it was.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00280

funtax
Feb 28, 2001
Forum Veteran

Rocks posted:

Conspiracy theory time: Koch and other Republican billionaires are donating to O Malley's campaign in exchange for O Malley to set his sights on Trump now to try and ruin him

O'Malley has been actively fighting for service workers (particularly hotel employees) for years. This is right in his personal wheelhouse (in addition to being better PR than yet another "impromptu" acoustic guitar sing along).

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

MrBims posted:

So the kids table might have to turn a few people away.

The only person who didn't get an invite was Gilmore. I don't know where Pataki and Graham broke 1%, but I guess they did.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/nancy-reagan-invites-16-17-gopers-cnn-gop-debate-article-1.2321633

SnakePlissken
Dec 31, 2009

by zen death robot

Feather posted:

The Special council's response was aggressively sexist and incredibly dumb. But it wasn't as dumb as the "rape scene" described in that article (from the book it references). The way it's written in that book one can easily be forgiven for dismissing it as being unbelievable. It reads like something out of a cheap fetish novel or soap opera script. Just terrible.

Much like the rest of what I know about Donald Trump. Isn't he the guy that was dramatically going broke until his dad came into the casino and put a cool million on one number on the roulette table way, way back in the 80s?

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax

Constant Hamprince posted:

Hillary Clinton: Voted in favour of the Trail of Tears.

Bernie Sanders: Sponsored a bill to make Anime real.

Which anime though.

Zelder
Jan 4, 2012

GlyphGryph posted:

I'm not saying she's not a liberal or that liberals don't vote for wars. Again, you described her as a model liberal, claiming there was no way in which she wasn't.

What definition of "model liberal" are using where "voting for the war in Iraq" would be acceptable?

Maybe you meant to use a different term, one that wasn't obviously wrong?

Do you really think you'll be able to defeat fishmech on the field of pedantry? These are his killing fields, friend.

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babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Joementum posted:

Martin O'Malley is holding a rally at the Trump Hotel with Trump Hotel workers at 11am today. :munch:

lol this is a pretty clever move for a fringe candidate like him to make

babypolis fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Aug 19, 2015

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