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Slimnoid: Sep 6, 2012; Does that mean I don't get the job?

NTRabbit posted:

They're a lot quicker to paint than any other army

Cheaper and smaller model count too :v:

# ? Aug 19, 2015 18:55

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 07:03

bencreateddisco: Dec 7, 2011; I BLEW $74K IN KICKSTARTER MONEY AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS UGLY AVATAR

NTRabbit posted:

They're a lot quicker to paint than any other army

I painted up an ettin from my copy of Descent, and I have to say, it definitely is one of the better looking miniatures I've ever done.

# ? Aug 19, 2015 18:56

Silhouette: Nov 16, 2002; SONIC BOOM!!!

adhuin posted:

Pretty much this.

I have pretty large Lizardman Army, that works perfectly with KoW.
I can't use it's Slann Mage priests any more, so they'll have to work as unit fillers.

There's a Mage-Priest Hero option in the Salamanders list though :confused:

# ? Aug 19, 2015 19:42

Evilmonstar: Nov 18, 2012

muskets posted:

1: You EITHER regroup or pull back, and combat is resolved one unit at a time, so the unit that already pulled back stays where it is.

2: Spells are treated as shooting, and as such can't be used in melee except if they explicitly say otherwise.

3: See above, except that Heal explicitly says you CAN use it on units engaged in combat in its rules text, so in that specific example you can.

Thanks man!

Daedleh posted:

1) You resolve all attacks against an enemy unit before ending the combat and testing the nerve, not a nerve test after each unit attacking. After the nerve test has been resolved then you bounce back or regroup.

Ah, okay. This is helpful.

# ? Aug 19, 2015 19:44

Issaries: Sep 15, 2008; "At the end of the day
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Silhouette posted:

There's a Mage-Priest Hero option in the Salamanders list though

They're on a 25mm or Cavalry-base, so they're probably salamander Mage-Priests. Not Fat Frogs on a palanquin.

# ? Aug 19, 2015 20:00

Daedleh: Aug 25, 2008; What shall we do with a catnipped kitty?

bencreateddisco posted:

ogres seem to be a pretty popular choice right now

i worry that my flanks aren't super secure, and it's hard to say if a pike phalanx is total garbage or not- they seem like they should hold up against most stuff

could we post everything formatted out from this site? it makes it a lot easier to understand the units if you're not familiar with every army list.

http://kow2.easyarmy.com/

Pikes are amazeballs. It takes some serious loving effort to shift even one of those hordes, let alone 3.

Your weakness is a relative lack of Inspiring. I'd want at least one more source of (very) Inspiring in 2k, if not two more. ASBs will do the job plenty fine. If your ASB gets sniped out (e.g. Lightning Bolt) then you're really screwed and will find your line crumbling very quickly. The Captains Inspiring bubble only covers so much... With so few Inspiring heroes any decent player will try and take yours out ASAP. A lot of wizards are mounted on horses so you'll really struggle to hide your ASB from their fire.

You'll definitely want a mounted ASB to go along with your knights to keep them covered.

This is the sort of take all comers list I'd take for 2000 points:

Those Red Goblins are going to make short work of your Knights before swinging round behind your lines - even two of them against your knights will tie you up long enough for the Warriors to get a charge off. The Boomers will definitely make a beeline for your ASB and the pair of them firing at him (effective 18" range) will probably pop him in a single turn, two at most. Since they're height 2, you won't be able to hide him without moving him away from your forces and leaving them uninspired (which is good enough for me...).

# ? Aug 19, 2015 20:01

bencreateddisco: Dec 7, 2011; I BLEW $74K IN KICKSTARTER MONEY AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS UGLY AVATAR

Daedleh posted:

Pikes are amazeballs. It takes some serious loving effort to shift even one of those hordes, let alone 3.

Your weakness is a relative lack of Inspiring. I'd want at least one more source of (very) Inspiring in 2k, if not two more. ASBs will do the job plenty fine. If your ASB gets sniped out (e.g. Lightning Bolt) then you're really screwed and will find your line crumbling very quickly. The Captains Inspiring bubble only covers so much... With so few Inspiring heroes any decent player will try and take yours out ASAP. A lot of wizards are mounted on horses so you'll really struggle to hide your ASB from their fire.

You'll definitely want a mounted ASB to go along with your knights to keep them covered.

This is the sort of take all comers list I'd take for 2000 points:

Those Red Goblins are going to make short work of your Knights before swinging round behind your lines - even two of them against your knights will tie you up long enough for the Warriors to get a charge off. The Boomers will definitely make a beeline for your ASB and the pair of them firing at him (effective 18" range) will probably pop him in a single turn, two at most. Since they're height 2, you won't be able to hide him without moving him away from your forces and leaving them uninspired (which is good enough for me...).

you don't think 3 cannons should be enough to counter your flankers/heavy units?

# ? Aug 19, 2015 20:07

Daedleh: Aug 25, 2008; What shall we do with a catnipped kitty?

bencreateddisco posted:

you don't think 3 cannons should be enough to counter your flankers/heavy units?

You'll get 2-3 turns at most before I'm on top of you. You'll do some significant damage, but won't stop me without some amazing dice rolls. It'll come down to melee.

# ? Aug 19, 2015 20:08

Silhouette: Nov 16, 2002; SONIC BOOM!!!

adhuin posted:

They're on a 25mm or Cavalry-base, so they're probably salamander Mage-Priests. Not Fat Frogs on a palanquin.

Oh, drat. That's a pretty big oversight. Maybe bring it up on the playtest forums?

# ? Aug 19, 2015 20:14

bencreateddisco: Dec 7, 2011; I BLEW $74K IN KICKSTARTER MONEY AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS UGLY AVATAR

something like this is probably a little more balanced

thoughts?

edit: note that the footguard have two-handed weapons and the mounted scouts have pistols

# ? Aug 19, 2015 20:16

Daedleh: Aug 25, 2008; What shall we do with a catnipped kitty?

We're aware of it but Slaan equivalents just don't fit in the background fluff.

# ? Aug 19, 2015 20:16

shoplifter: May 23, 2001; bored before I even began

This may be a horrible stupid question, but couldn't you just use the Slaan with the bigger base and all? It's more advantageous to your opponent anyway, right?

# ? Aug 19, 2015 20:26

bencreateddisco: Dec 7, 2011; I BLEW $74K IN KICKSTARTER MONEY AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS UGLY AVATAR

bencreateddisco posted:

something like this is probably a little more balanced

thoughts?

edit: note that the footguard have two-handed weapons and the mounted scouts have pistols

The infantry line covers about 3' 6" on it's own. I figure, if I'm going against a cav heavy army, I can just anchor one flank to some terrain, and then stack the other with my own cav/foot guard.

# ? Aug 19, 2015 21:11

Not a viking: Aug 2, 2008; Feels like I just got laid

shoplifter posted:

This may be a horrible stupid question, but couldn't you just use the Slaan with the bigger base and all? It's more advantageous to your opponent anyway, right?

My thoughts exactly.

In other news, forest shamblers supported by a tree herder are pretty baller and I'm going to exchange my heavy cav regiment with another horde next time I play. Vanguard, Pathfinder and Surge(12) with the magic item is pretty cool!

# ? Aug 19, 2015 23:13

bencreateddisco: Dec 7, 2011; I BLEW $74K IN KICKSTARTER MONEY AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS UGLY AVATAR

I'm a little confused about the combat rules.

In my understanding things go a little like this

1. Player A. charges Player B.

2. During Melee phase Player A's unit rolls its attacks

3. Player B's unit tests nerve and neither wavers nor routes

4. The units disengage from each other and are moved an inch apart

5. During Player B's turn, the only way to continue this engagement would be for his unit to charge and repeat the above steps.

If this is the case, then what is stopping a unit of knights from using thunderous charge over and over?

# ? Aug 20, 2015 02:23

Doctor Borris: May 29, 2014; Sometimes Serious.
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When a unit is attacked in melee, whatever hapoens, they are disordered and cannot shoot or gain thunderous charge bonuses.

# ? Aug 20, 2015 02:27

Victor Vermis: Dec 21, 2004; WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

bencreateddisco posted:

I'm a little confused about the combat rules.

In my understanding things go a little like this

1. Player A. charges Player B.

2. During Melee phase Player A's unit rolls its attacks

3. Player B's unit tests nerve and neither wavers nor routes

4. The units disengage from each other and are moved an inch apart

5. During Player B's turn, the only way to continue this engagement would be for his unit to charge and repeat the above steps.

If this is the case, then what is stopping a unit of knights from using thunderous charge over and over?

If the Knights suffered at least 1 damage they are Disordered.
Disordered units do not benefit from Thundering Charge bonus.

# ? Aug 20, 2015 02:30

enrious: Jan 22, 2015

Victor Vermis posted:

If the Knights suffered at least 1 damage they are Disordered.
Disordered units do not benefit from Thundering Charge bonus.

As Victor points out above, but also keep in mind that some mounted troops have both Thundering Charge and Crushing Strength that somewhat helps to mitigate this, as the CS isn't lost if disordered.

# ? Aug 20, 2015 02:38

bencreateddisco: Dec 7, 2011; I BLEW $74K IN KICKSTARTER MONEY AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS UGLY AVATAR

I totally missed the clause about disordered and only read it as hindered. That makes a lot more sense!

# ? Aug 20, 2015 02:42

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

Think I might use ronaldo the bard as a standard bearer, he's so inspiring

# ? Aug 20, 2015 14:36

Macdeo Lurjtux: Jul 5, 2011; BRRREADSTOOORRM!

bencreateddisco posted:

The infantry line covers about 3' 6" on it's own. I figure, if I'm going against a cav heavy army, I can just anchor one flank to some terrain, and then stack the other with my own cav/foot guard.

Our better yet, take him off the palanquin and mount him on a tiny pony.

# ? Aug 20, 2015 15:41

MasterSlowPoke: Oct 9, 2005; Our courage will pull us through

My shipment from Warbases came in today and it smells so good.

# ? Aug 20, 2015 22:58

muskets: Nov 23, 2013; ルンピカビーム！

MasterSlowPoke posted:

My shipment from Warbases came in today and it smells so good.

Mm, burnt MDF smell.

# ? Aug 20, 2015 23:01

Signal: Dec 10, 2005

Can we get that base size table in the op?

# ? Aug 20, 2015 23:30

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

Signal posted:

Can we get that base size table in the op?

Should probably add the brief description about what each army is and how it fights to the OP too

# ? Aug 20, 2015 23:34

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

The Twilight Kin list was posted in an update! It still has the "Don't get attached to this" disclaimer, so I'm curious how big the planned changes are.

# ? Aug 21, 2015 00:48

muskets: Nov 23, 2013; ルンピカビーム！

moths posted:

The Twilight Kin list was posted in an update! It still has the "Don't get attached to this" disclaimer, so I'm curious how big the planned changes are.

It'll be pretty close to the old one, with balance tweaks for 2e. The Twilight Kin are getting a redesign from the ground up with new fluff etc, which is why we're not supposed to get too attached. The list on the site is for existing TK armies, and I guess GW Dark Elf players.

# ? Aug 21, 2015 01:16

thiswayliesmadness: Dec 3, 2009; I hope to see you next time, and take care all

Feels good to finally have all my Marauders painted up. My largest DZ faction, so plowing through the rest shouldn't take as long. Probably would have gone faster without the urban camo on everyone...

Commandos

Gun Suits

Hulks (with hair)

Melee Suits

Pyros and Dogs

Snipers

Stuntbot

Commanders and Tanks

# ? Aug 21, 2015 09:38

bencreateddisco: Dec 7, 2011; I BLEW $74K IN KICKSTARTER MONEY AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS UGLY AVATAR

~~~~~~ NEW LIST ~~~~~

# ? Aug 23, 2015 19:43

Not a viking: Aug 2, 2008; Feels like I just got laid

What kind of tournament support do Mantic have? The reason I'm asking is that the guys who normally arrange the FB tournaments around here are still deciding whether to use the 9th age, AoS or KoW rules for this falls tournament. I gave them demo games of KoW this Saturday and they really enjoyed it, a lot more than AoS. Is there some kind of tournament system gor KoW like ITS for Infinity?

# ? Aug 23, 2015 20:20

Doctor Borris: May 29, 2014; Sometimes Serious.
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Ever.

Check the mantic forums. They aRe all about tourneys, you could probably even get some good support if you talk to them.

# ? Aug 23, 2015 21:01

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

Greater Earth Elemental

Might go back and do another layer of highlights on the red since the picture barely shows any

# ? Aug 24, 2015 11:33

Weirdo: Jul 22, 2004; I stay up late; Grimey Drawer

Looks great, I like the Thor added for scale.

# ? Aug 25, 2015 01:55

Doctor Borris: May 29, 2014; Sometimes Serious.
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Ever.

Phoon posted:

Greater Earth Elemental

Might go back and do another layer of highlights on the red since the picture barely shows any

If you don't mind me asking what model is that?

# ? Aug 25, 2015 03:22

Moola: Aug 16, 2006

It's a Lego thor

# ? Aug 25, 2015 03:27

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

Is that a painted Lego elemental?

# ? Aug 25, 2015 03:37

thegodofchuck: May 13, 2006; You'll be godlike

Doctor Borris posted:

If you don't mind me asking what model is that?

Says right in the description, Greater Earth Elemental.

The Greater Obsidian Golem is supposed to be a two part kit (see here, although I can't see anything to that effect on the Mantic site. In fact, I don't see anything about Forces of Nature at all. It looks like the "dual kit" means a different head and arms, looking at the photo.

# ? Aug 25, 2015 04:35

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

It's replacement head and arms, anyone who ordered a Greater Obsidian Golem or Greater Earth Elemental in the Kickstarter gets both sets of parts, but at retail you only get one or the other in the box.

# ? Aug 25, 2015 08:01

Phoon: Apr 23, 2010

you can buy it here

# ? Aug 25, 2015 08:34

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 07:03

Weirdo: Jul 22, 2004; I stay up late; Grimey Drawer

NTRabbit posted:

It's replacement head and arms, anyone who ordered a Greater Obsidian Golem or Greater Earth Elemental in the Kickstarter gets both sets of parts, but at retail you only get one or the other in the box.

Good to know!

# ? Aug 25, 2015 20:34

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