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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Does the wiki have a way of flagging pages/fits that are out of date? Like, I know that poo poo is pretty common on wikis generally, but maybe if someone made an easy PRESS THIS BUTTON IF poo poo ON THIS PAGE IS OUT OF DATE alert at the top, it would help to better identify pages that at least could use some cleanup.

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OpticalRape
Nov 26, 2010


Thanks reddit

Samahiel
Mar 17, 2009

mikey posted:

There have actually been a lot of changes to the game over the last year or two that break tons of fits and render many more not worth using. Even if you're good at figuring out metacide module substitutions, there are a bunch of hulls that were relevant very recently that are not anymore, and vice-versa. This has pretty much always been the case, so any fitting that sits around on the wiki for more than a year is probably not going to be something you ever want to use.

One of the big changes we've been making to the wiki is back end work to metatag fits and modules and link them via api so that stuff is automatically updated and or flagged if it breaks.

Unfortunately work like that isn't obvious or sexy so every few months we get a spike of concern about the state of the wiki that never seems to translate into much of an increase in the number of good mediawiki savy editors plugging away.

Luckily a lot of this stuff is about to start paying dividends and we have some more high visibility changes to the way pages are organized and accessed that will be rolled out "soon".

In short, the wiki is worlds better than it was in terms of usability and maintenance, but all that heavy lifting had to be done before we could focus on content.

Jon Von Anchovi
Sep 5, 2014

:australia:

OpticalRape posted:



Thanks reddit

Is that you Jared from Subway?

Samahiel
Mar 17, 2009

CommonShore posted:

Does the wiki have a way of flagging pages/fits that are out of date? Like, I know that poo poo is pretty common on wikis generally, but maybe if someone made an easy PRESS THIS BUTTON IF poo poo ON THIS PAGE IS OUT OF DATE alert at the top, it would help to better identify pages that at least could use some cleanup.

When confluence was a thing the wiki was pretty much left to rot, and missed out on years of innovations like these. After confluence got headshot and focus shifted back to the wiki a core group of editors have been slowly dragging it kicking and screaming into the modern era.

Reagalan is responsible in large part for getting the ball rolling, but the current head of the project Kyalla Ahashion is an unsung goon hero who does not get enough credit.

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
Special pages. When I was about to join the waffe, someone mentioned furtively, "the wiki has several...special pages."

Is there something about them, or was the guy just incredibly awkward in person.

BubbaGrace
Jul 14, 2006

I update wiki pages here and there. Mostly fixing out of date ship and module stats. I have added a few current fits as well.

When I was a newbee I spent countless hours just browsing the wiki. There were many interesting pages about historical events, alliance histories, eve politics and other things. It really is a shame the wiki has deteriorated to the point it has. I even found a few pages that referred to the current alliance name as SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO. I try to fix things like that when I see them.

I will continue to help out when I can. I am a sucker for educational material, even if it is about a stupid space video game.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Delta Echo posted:

Special pages. When I was about to join the waffe, someone mentioned furtively, "the wiki has several...special pages."

Is there something about them, or was the guy just incredibly awkward in person.

https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Lobby_crew

Special Page.

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

oh.

OH.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013



Yeeeah.

Honestly a lot of that poo poo should be quarantined, but also preserved for posterity. Like Ben Smash's rear end tattoo, we really shouldn't be allowed to forget our poor decisions.

tyler
Jun 2, 2014

https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Russian

Syndic Thrass
Nov 10, 2011

THIS IS THE BEST WIKI PAGE.
I wish you were a slab of butter melting over me as a stack of flap Jacks or w.e that one is. I did a lot of diplomacy with that when we evicted WNdot

Normal Barbarian
Nov 24, 2006


My browser auto-completes "ru" to this. It's a lot of fun when hunting ratters.

Kirs
Dec 5, 2014

Apart from drinking, there is absolutely nothing to do here.

If anyone would like something to be added there - pm me with your request.


Finally I found something I can be useful in :sun:

Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014

CommonShore posted:

Does the wiki have a way of flagging pages/fits that are out of date? Like, I know that poo poo is pretty common on wikis generally, but maybe if someone made an easy PRESS THIS BUTTON IF poo poo ON THIS PAGE IS OUT OF DATE alert at the top, it would help to better identify pages that at least could use some cleanup.

Apart from being linked badly (the page kind of links to Recon Ships as a type, but you also get there from a squad/SIG overview), this page shows the usual "This article is out of date" warning, so this definitely exists: https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Recon

edit: There is even a category for these: https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Category:Out_of_date_articles :aaa:

edit2: Looking around a bit more, it seems these warnings are implemented as templates, specifically this: https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Template:Out_of_date -- You can see it added to an article here, alongside a basic template (Basic combat) by adding it to the very first line:

code:
{{Basic combat}} {{Out of date}}
The "Out of date"-template adds the header and also adds the page to the list of outdated pages.

Hollow Talk fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Aug 20, 2015

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

tmc dotte com posted:

Inertia Stabilized Titan Destroyed in Lowsec
:frogsiren:by Xenuria:frogsiren:

Why?

I mean having Xenuria write a single piece about his crippling autism is already borderline unexcusable (though it does provide another opportunity to laugh at him), but making him a regular writer? :dogbutton:

I can only conclude that TMC has realised it's poo poo and is intentionally taking the piss now :regd08:.

suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Aug 20, 2015

almighty
Mar 9, 2011

Doc Friday posted:

Should the page for Eve-Mail Etiquette include an explanation on setting the CSPA charge to zero?

CCP changed the CSPA defaults with a recent patch and now it is 0 by default. At the time of the patch, CCP also set all CSPA values to 0. So now, the only way one can get CSPA charge active is that going to the settings and entering any value other than 0.

DarkMalfunction
Sep 5, 2014

blowfish posted:

Why?

I mean having Xenuria write a single piece about his crippling autism is already borderline unexcusable (though it does provide another opportunity to laugh at him), but making him a regular writer? :dogbutton:

I can only conclude that TMC has realised it's poo poo and is intentionally taking the piss now :regd08:.

What's more upsetting is that Xenuria a few weeks back did the only after-battle report I could call vaguely on time that I've ever seen on the site.

When Xenuria is one of the better writers, you know you're in the poo poo.

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:

Other than his penchant for throwing arbitrary words at his thesaurus, Xenuria actually tends to be an unironically good writer. Compared to some of the OG writers he's not super, but he's definitely above-par.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

for a while i tried to mark pages that i was updating with tags that said "Current as of $RELEASE" but then :effort:

DarkMalfunction
Sep 5, 2014

ChickenWing posted:

Other than his penchant for throwing arbitrary words at his thesaurus, Xenuria actually tends to be an unironically good writer. Compared to some of the OG writers he's not super, but he's definitely above-par.

Well no-one can be worse than Siaka.

E: well, their writing style is fine, they just never bother to research anything in their articles.

e2: What happened to the good writers of old? Alikchi, FLT, and others?

DarkMalfunction fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Aug 20, 2015

Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014

Glory of Arioch posted:

for a while i tried to mark pages that i was updating with tags that said "Current as of $RELEASE" but then :effort:

I think this is a good idea. I'm sure there are better ways to do this, but I have just added a template that lets you simply put {{Last updated |$RELEASE}} in order to show an info box above the article. That way, you can manually indicate when your information was up-to-date.

edit: As an example: {{Last updated |Aegis_Sovereignty}} or, since I just added anchorencode to the template, {{Last updated |Aegis Sovereignty}}

Hollow Talk fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Aug 20, 2015

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus

DarkMalfunction posted:

Well no-one can be worse than Siaka.

E: well, their writing style is fine, they just never bother to research anything in their articles.

e2: What happened to the good writers of old? Alikchi, FLT, and others?

What good is exceptional writers when there's nothing noteworthy happening in Eve to write about?

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Voyager I posted:

It would literally be a race among online capswarm pilots to see who could get a Titan there fastest for the Doomsday.

A doomsday is what you're going to need.

Voyager I posted:


I'm really not sure what the Dreadnaught is contributing in this picture. It's going to die helplessly without a subcap escort and not contribute much of anything to the subcap battle happening around, it and it can't even use its guns on the objective, so I have no idea why you wouldn't just bring a Carrier instead assuming you sincerely believed that 1 (one) capital-class ship is a level of force that Deklein is unprepared to deal with.

You're assuming the ship has to fight at all. All this one has to do is tank like a space wombat (with almost as much EHP as a POCO, that shouldn't be hard) while its escorts do the fighting.



Any entosis ship that is not an interceptor (or exceedingly cleverly fitted) is going to need some kind of fire support to aggro the defending fleet while the entosis link does its thing.

Voyager I posted:

But y'know what, I'm probably wrong. You should bring your Etosis Dread out one day and show us what it's really capable of.

Hey, man, stranger things have happened.

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

:laffo:

You can't be this stupid, this is so wrong you actually have to know what you're doing to so incorrectly fit a dread. This has to be a joke.

1001 Arabian dicks fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Aug 20, 2015

Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014

ScreamingLlama posted:

A doomsday is what you're going to need.


You're assuming the ship has to fight at all. All this one has to do is tank like a space wombat (with almost as much EHP as a POCO, that shouldn't be hard) while its escorts do the fighting.



Any entosis ship that is not an interceptor (or exceedingly cleverly fitted) is going to need some kind of fire support to aggro the defending fleet while the entosis link does its thing.


Hey, man, stranger things have happened.

:psyboom:

Why not just bring a bloody Chimera with 1.1m more EHP, drones, and the usual highslot modules for when you are not entosising (remote shield rep/remote cap transfer, cyno, T2 drone link augmentor)?

edit: I'm talking about a fully T2 fitted Chimera here with 3x PDSII, nothing fancy, deadspace-ish or some such.

avatarinwin posted:

:laffo:

You can't be this stupid, this is so wrong you actually have to know what you're doing to so incorrectly fit a dread. This has to be a joke.

I want to believe! :argh:

Hollow Talk fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Aug 20, 2015

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

avatarinwin posted:

:laffo:

You can't be this stupid, this is so wrong you actually have to know what you're doing to so incorrectly fit a dread. This has to be a joke.

:regd08:

Ptylerdactyl
Aug 3, 2015

:psyduck: there's no way this isn't a joke.

but doesn't using an entosis link use the same mechanics as a scripted HIC point or siege in that you can't have remote assistance for the module activation duration?

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

whats resistances precious

Syndic Thrass
Nov 10, 2011

Glory of Arioch posted:

whats resistances precious

What's flat armor HP?

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Glory of Arioch posted:

whats resistances precious

it has a reactive armour hardener, which dynamically adjusts resistances for armour, and adaptive invuln for shield resists

reading comprehension fail

Ptylerdactyl posted:

:psyduck: there's no way this isn't a joke.

but doesn't using an entosis link use the same mechanics as a scripted HIC point or siege in that you can't have remote assistance for the module activation duration?

Pretty sure that's the case, which is why I didn't bother with remote anything. This dread fit is meant for sov warfare and nothing else.

Syndic Thrass
Nov 10, 2011

ScreamingLlama posted:

This dread fit is meant for sov warfare and nothing else. poo poo

FYP

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
:getout:

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 6 days!)

ScreamingLlama posted:

it has a reactive armour hardener, which dynamically adjusts resistances for armour, and adaptive invuln for shield resists

reading comprehension fail


Pretty sure that's the case, which is why I didn't bother with remote anything. This dread fit is meant for sov warfare and nothing else.

Guys he pays attention only if you whisper it to him. His repeated aspie meltdowns in other threads taught me this.

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.


Are you still trying to convince someone that you're funny? Doesn't appear to be working.

Cannon_Fodder
Jul 17, 2007

"Hey, where did Steve go?"
Design by Kamoc
When does attention-seeking behavior become attention-seeking existence?

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Insurance fraud, folks.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

ScreamingLlama posted:

it has a reactive armour hardener, which dynamically adjusts resistances for armour, and adaptive invuln for shield resists

reading comprehension fail

what the hell, ill bite



soaks 1 DD



soaks 2 DDs

your fit: soaks none

looks like I win scrub :smugdog:

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

ullerrm posted:

Insurance fraud, folks.

I wish he would try and fail at it.

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GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Glory of Arioch posted:

what the hell, ill bite



soaks 1 DD



soaks 2 DDs

your fit: soaks none

looks like I win scrub :smugdog:

You do realize you just betrayed goonswarm, right? I'm sure plenty of corps would love to know the optimal way to take goon sov.


Thank you for serving up Deklein on a platter.

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