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Shageletic posted:That's a too small percentage of minorites in the voting pool to wonder why Republicans win in Oklahoma. That's 30%. Whites aren't 100% Republican, even here. I don't know what to say. Maybe if our state party was more mobilized and we could be bothered to even put up candidates in some of these districts we could win? Writing off the state altogether is why a formerly relatively mixed legislature is republican all the way down, from the federal to the local level. Even Tulsa, a relatively liberal city, broke full Republican in 2012. Invest nothing, get nothing.
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Perhaps Hillary should hire a communications director with GOP experience All the happy elves working for the Hillary campaign slowly realizing that she's evil must be a sight to behold
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Aug 20, 2015 17:53
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The Hillary e-mail thing just seems so emblematic of Hillary's problems in general. She mixes the her personal life with politics and creates a completely unnecessary shitstorm that could have been avoided if she literally just did nothing at all. Instead she goes out of her way to create her own personal server and is tripping all over herself now even though this outcome was completely inevitable and the only reason for it in the first place seems is that she couldn't help herself which is the absolute worse thing for something like this. hmmmm sounds like another Clinton had the same issues.... I don't know what it is with them and their desire to constantly swim up a waterfall like Salmon trying to procreate. Maybe it's their background of doing exactly that before they became successful but it seems like anytime they're in calm water they freak out and start darting for the nearest rock to hit their heads on.
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Aug 20, 2015 17:54
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quote:Vice President Joe Biden runs as well or better than Hillary Clinton against top-tier Republicans in a new Quinnipiac swing-state poll. Among general election voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida, Biden looks like a better bet. The veep beats Donald Trump by a commanding 10 points in Ohio, double Clinton’s margin in the same matchup. Biden also wins against former Gov. Jeb Bush, R-Fla., and comes within shot of Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., in Biden’s native Pennsylvania. Overall, the poll shows Biden in a similar position to Clinton and could be just as strong a contender for Democrats. Even better news for Biden? His trustworthiness rating hangs around 60 percent in the three states… about the same percent of voters who do not trust Clinton. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/20/joe-jumps-hillary-swoons-in-q-poll/ the poll: http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2271 also: quote:f Trump makes a third-party run, results are:
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Mirthless posted:That's 30%. Whites aren't 100% Republican, even here. Part of the problem is voter disenfranchisement. Minorities especially are subject to it due to onerous ID requirements or certain criminal convictions. So their overall voting power is diminished. Couple with economic problems (e.g. can't afford to lose time off work to vote), and you have a large part of the explanation for why they don't vote. Intrinsic laziness and apathy (as opposed to skepticism and apathy driven by being oppressed and marginalized) aren't disproportionate in these communities.
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Aug 20, 2015 17:55
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Aug 20, 2015 17:56
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Feather posted:Different source material to work with. Whatever else one might say regarding Obama's position on the left/right scale or his acumen dealing with Congress, he doesn't do stupid poo poo that results in red meat for a media and entire political engine who will run with the tiniest impropriety to make a huge scandal of. They tried plenty of times to turn random poo poo into that red meat, though - ACORN, Trinity Church, Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers, etc. Obama is just, as you say, smart and savvy as a campaigner.
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Aug 20, 2015 17:57
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Has anyone charted out where voting stations are in relation to where minorities work/live and or where low income housing/jobs are?
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Aug 20, 2015 17:57
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"Well three thousand years ago, right? The Great Wall of China was built." Applause. "We'd like to have that wall, that wall no one gets through."
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Aug 20, 2015 17:58
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Biden/sanders 2016 If Biden adopts all of Bernie's proposals, I'm on board. I don't think Bernie would run for VP if Biden wouldn't help his cause.
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Aug 20, 2015 17:59
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Feather posted:Part of the problem is voter disenfranchisement. Minorities especially are subject to it due to onerous ID requirements or certain criminal convictions. So their overall voting power is diminished. Couple with economic problems (e.g. can't afford to lose time off work to vote), and you have a large part of the explanation for why they don't vote. Intrinsic laziness and apathy (as opposed to skepticism and apathy driven by being oppressed and marginalized) aren't disproportionate in these communities. Also many times they lack any sort of deliverables for their votes. White people vote Republican and they usually get what they were promised (staving off minority progress). Minorities vote Democrat and they still get shot by police.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:01
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Tir McDohl posted:Thank god, Walker is the one that I'm most fearful of showing up in a general Of all the clown car candidates to fear, Walker and Cruz are the two you should fear the least. In a general election setting you can't punt on issues and you can't get away with having one of the most punchable faces in political history.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:01
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I'm still trying to process the fact that Trump supporters beat up a homeless Hispanic man in Boston, and Trump's response was "I have passionate fans."
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Aug 20, 2015 18:01
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Sanders as VP would be wasting Sanders.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:01
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This is one of the better analysis of Clinton's meeting with BLM activists I've read http://www.vox.com/2015/8/19/9178475/clinton-crime-bill Short version: Clinton was arguing the intention of the bill was to reduce violence in black communities, not systematize white supremacy, and the activists wanted to know whether she realized that those were the actual consequences of the bill, and through that whether she's realized the damage done and has learned the lessons from it. And their frustration is that she really didn't answer that question Here's the last few paragraphs quote:...The problem is that the conversation isn't clear whether "extension of white supremacist violence" is about the intent of these policies or their consequences. This is a common problem with discussion of racism: Structural racism isn't about feelings in individuals' hearts, it's about systems and outcomes. But it's easy to slip from talking about systems to talking about people, and that's what happened here.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:02
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Mirthless posted:Because he couldn't control his party when he had a supermajority and compromised starting from the middle - constantly - during the first six years of his presidency. He lacked the executive experience to do the job. His inability to accomplish progressive objectives killed liberal voter enthusiasm and the effectiveness of the GOP at claiming victories as a minority party and in drumming up anti-Obama sentiment while simultaneously sitting at the table with him allowed them to steal midterm elections in landslide after landslide. Blaming gerrymandering for this is idiotic. It was a failure in Democratic leadership that lead to 2010. Obama was at the head of that. This isn't actually true. The most extensive reform of American Healthcare ever was accomplished; which isn't exactly something small. Also lol if you think the President can do anything about midterm elections. Literally the reason why 2010 was a poo poo show was because of rise of the tea party and the death of blue dog democrats. 2010 was the herald of the Democratic Party becoming more liberal, not less.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:03
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zeal posted:"Well three thousand years ago, right? The Great Wall of China was built." Applause. "We'd like to have that wall, that wall no one gets through."  / / 
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Zelder posted:Sanders as VP would be wasting Sanders. Same with Warren as VP, which I've heard floated a few times.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:04
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Feather posted:Part of the problem is voter disenfranchisement. Minorities especially are subject to it due to onerous ID requirements or certain criminal convictions. So their overall voting power is diminished. Couple with economic problems (e.g. can't afford to lose time off work to vote), and you have a large part of the explanation for why they don't vote. Intrinsic laziness and apathy (as opposed to skepticism and apathy driven by being oppressed and marginalized) aren't disproportionate in these communities. Oklahoma's voter ID law was a ballot initiative in 2010 that passed with a whopping 77% of the vote, in the same election that flipped our state legislature nearly fully Republican. Liberal turnout was part of the problem in 2010 that allowed that disenfranchisement in the first place.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:07
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Warren being offered VP would feel like an attempt by the Dem leaders/DLC to placate their big donors by getting her out of the Senate.
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zeal posted:"Well three thousand years ago, right? The Great Wall of China was built." Applause. "We'd like to have that wall, that wall no one gets through." Are people not aware that there is already a "wall" between the US and Mexico? Last year I went to The Imperial Valley and Yuma for work and the border security is insane. Like un-American surveillance, random stops, request for ID, etc. Nobody is getting through there. Most of the people cross in the vast desert wastelands, and there's already a poo poo ton of BP cruising that. People still get thru. A physical wall won't change the situation.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:14
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FlamingLiberal posted:Warren being offered VP would feel like an attempt by the Dem leaders/DLC to placate their big donors by getting her out of the Senate. Worked out for McKinley!
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Rubies posted:Are people not aware that there is already a "wall" between the US and Mexico? Last year I went to The Imperial Valley and Yuma for work and the border security is insane. Like un-American surveillance, random stops, request for ID, etc. Nobody is getting through there. Most of the people cross in the vast desert wastelands, and there's already a poo poo ton of BP cruising that. People still get thru. A physical wall won't change the situation. It sounds good to rubes, and it sounds even better to nationalist racists when you say Mexico has to pay for it.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:15
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Aug 20, 2015 18:20
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Mirthless posted:Oklahoma's voter ID law was a ballot initiative in 2010 that passed with a whopping 77% of the vote, in the same election that flipped our state legislature nearly fully Republican. Liberal turnout was part of the problem in 2010 that allowed that disenfranchisement in the first place. Liberals are a small plurality in the Democratic Party. The only way liberal ideas are going to get any traction in this party is by being disruptive. Take issue all you like with BLM's tactics, the fact that a group of people comprising 13% of the population at best are driving the narrative in the primary is impressive. Liberals in general should take the cue. Put another way, America in general is very very conservative, mean and spiteful. That includes mainstream Democrats, whose support for social issues is a km wide and a cm deep unless forced to be otherwise.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:22
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If Bernie is able to win the nom, I think Bernie will pick someone he feels he can trust and work with, is charismatic, and a strong debater/speaker. I have no clue who that is. Taking out the most important factor of "does Bernie trust this person," tapping one of these guys may be a smart thing: 
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Aug 20, 2015 18:24
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/20/joe-jumps-hillary-swoons-in-q-poll/ Do it Biden, please jump in the race. Gore too.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:27
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Joementum posted:Good question. Why, Jeb? Why?
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Is it a given that one of the Castros is going to be the veep pick? That ball has been rolling for a few years now but I don't really hear much of it outside of 'this would be a good idea.'
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Dahbadu posted:If Bernie is able to win the nom, I think Bernie will pick someone he feels he can trust and work with, is charismatic, and a strong debater/speaker. I have no clue who that is. Vice twin presidents
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Aug 20, 2015 18:29
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How hilarious is Sanders/Castro ticket though its like, pure socialism
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TK-42-1 posted:Is it a given that one of the Castros is going to be the veep pick? That ball has been rolling for a few years now but I don't really hear much of it outside of 'this would be a good idea.' Much more likely to be a boring white dude in the Tim Kaine mold.
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Aug 20, 2015 18:30
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What are Jeb!?'s Real Conservative Results? Do they actually approve of his record?
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Dahbadu posted:If Bernie is able to win the nom, I think Bernie will pick someone he feels he can trust and work with, is charismatic, and a strong debater/speaker. I have no clue who that is. 2 VP's for the price of one!
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the castros are currently climbing the establishment ladder, not sure why sanders would pick them
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Aug 20, 2015 18:31
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Montasque posted:GOP Ganging Up to Trounce Trump? yes lets get into a dick waving media war with a dude with enough money to buy every ad spot between today and election day. theyre completely hosed, they have no idea what to do, hahah
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Aug 20, 2015 18:31
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Sanders/Castro into a Castro/Castro ticket
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Aug 20, 2015 18:32
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Oh man, Jeb is getting his poo poo pushed in at this press conference. He's never, ever going to be the nominee.
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Marco Rubio wants to help single mothers by eliminating the EITC.quote:The pro-family side of my plan would help Danielle even more. Right now, she gets a $1,000 tax credit for each of her two kids. This doesn’t come close to meeting the costs she faces as a parent, and it fails to recognize the investment she is making in America’s future as a mom. My tax plan would raise the per-child credit to as much as $2,500, allowing Danielle to keep significantly more of what she earns. In this scenario, Danielle is a single mother of two who makes $9.50 an hour.
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