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In Training posted:What benefit is there that subtitles can't provide I don't want to read subtitles during battles when they have battle cries.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:03
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In Training posted:What benefit is there that subtitles can't provide with foreign languages it can be difficult to pick up on nuances like how a line is read, or you miss out on accents and stuff like that which carries important information but doesn't come accross as well in subtitles
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Aug 20, 2015 19:04
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Andrast posted:What benefit is there to keeping the original language if you can't understand it? Hearing the original audio design.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:04
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In Training posted:What benefit is there that subtitles can't provide 2: the problem is even worse if you have to put subtitles on-screen during gameplay, especially if the game has menus at the bottom of the screen. Where would you put the subtitles then, the top of the screen? Nothing is up there, and the player is probably focused on the game itself, so they'd probably miss or only half-pay attention to the dialogue. 3: obviously, it's easier for someone to understand the emotions going into a language they actually speak. 4: keeping the original VA makes it harder to rewrite scenes. I don't mean 'completely changing the story," I just mean, say, slightly reorganizing a conversation so that it flows better in english. If you keep the original VA, suddenly things don't sync up. 5: If a game is going for jokes, comic timing can be thrown off by someone having to read the subtitles/not understanding the language. 6: no jamieson price
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Aug 20, 2015 19:06
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Wait, you're actually serious and are dying on this hill in that case, shut up you idiot Sub-only is a good way of saying "I hate this franchise. Please kill it before it had a chance"
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Aug 20, 2015 19:06
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Tae posted:Wait, you're actually serious and are dying on this hill Lol dying on this hill.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:08
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In Training posted:Hearing the original audio design.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:09
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Tae posted:Wait, you're actually serious and are dying on this hill yakuza 5
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Aug 20, 2015 19:10
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I do wish there was an unobtrusive way to have subtitles of battle cries. Always irks me when their's banter going on and it's too noisy for me to pick up and understand.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:10
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Endorph posted:1: subtitles are a distraction no matter how you slice it. even as someone who reads very, very fast, subtitles do distract my attention from what's going on on-screen, even a little. This is fair. I don't see what's laughable about that
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Aug 20, 2015 19:12
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PunkBoy posted:I do wish there was an unobtrusive way to have subtitles of battle cries. Always irks me when their's banter going on and it's too noisy for me to pick up and understand.  anyway i can get preferring the original audio but saying dubs shouldn't exist is a little shortsighted imo
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Aug 20, 2015 19:12
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Endorph posted:
I'd like it if there is a dub that the Japanese audio is an option. And from a business perspective I understand why a dub is absolutely necessary.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:13
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Take it from someone who used to be a sub diehard: you eventually grow up and become less of a weeb.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:13
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In Training posted:I'd like it if there is a dub that the Japanese audio is an option. Shame they don't get top quality dubs with actual directors who aren't morons, but hey.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:15
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Endorph posted:Yeah that seems like the best solution, but unfortunately there are often some issues in the way. Certain companies seem devoted to that but I don't think it'll ever happen in mainline Final Fantasy, partly because of those issues and possibly because Squeenix seems to really want to make top quality dubs with actual actors that they're very proud of. I appreciated it in the PC version of XIII, but I also skip every cutscene in that game haha.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:18
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Cape Cod Crab Chip posted:Take it from someone who used to be a sub diehard: you eventually grow up and become less of a weeb. It's not a weeabo to care about the original direction of a work. There will always be a translation barrier of course, but the subtitles will always be the least obtrusive option.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:19
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Cape Cod Crab Chip posted:Take it from someone who used to be a sub diehard: you eventually grow up and become less of a weeb. Take from someone who is still a sub die-hard: not necessarily.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:20
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Information in a game can be conveyed through a lot of things. Short of being someone who is capable of recognizing relatively subtle things in a language you don't speak dubbing is the most concise and simple way to convey this information in a properly directed work. This isn't even up for argument. There are a lot of people who watch sub-only who completely misunderstand characters because they can't actually read tone of voice. Subtitles aren't inherently worse (and I tend to prefer them) but there are a lot of arguments for dubbing, especially for something seeking a wide audience.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:21
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I actually prefer the persona and metal gear dubs to subs since the direction is fantastic.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:24
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dubs are better because you can do other things while they drone on and on about universe mechanics and similar unnecessary exposition
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Aug 20, 2015 19:28
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Radical subtitle purists have always stricken me as the most blatant examples of Otaku fanboiism. Like, i get the whole original language thing, but i don't speak really japanese, and even after living there and becoming conversational in it, hearing it on TV is not the same thing as seeing a person speak it and being able to divine its meaning via body language, etc. Also, bottom line, i don't watch TV to read. I could definitely see them re-editing FFX, but not re-recording any of it.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:32
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I have not heard Kazuma Kiryu speaking in English but I hope to god I never do
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Aug 20, 2015 19:34
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Sometimes I turn off the voice acting.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:35
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Who the gently caress cares about dub/sub in FFX when after like 4 ports, they still can't program a Skip Cutscene function
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Aug 20, 2015 19:35
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Japanese is not the only foreign language.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:35
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In Training posted:Japanese is not the only foreign language. #frenchsupremacy
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Aug 20, 2015 19:35
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Dubs are just fine. Hearing it in english is nice to get the inflection and emotion, and localization is something that should be everpresent, and dubs are a part of that. That said though, I don't think I could play a Metro game without listening to the russian audio track. It's just too good to pass up.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:39
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Oxxidation posted:#frenchsupremacy Ceci, mais pas ironiquement.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:39
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Endorph posted:Yeah that seems like the best solution, but unfortunately there are often some issues in the way. Certain companies seem devoted to that but I don't think it'll ever happen in mainline Final Fantasy, partly because of those issues and possibly because Squeenix seems to really want to make top quality dubs with actual actors that they're very proud of. because only good actors can delivwr all the moans and sighs that make up 90% of their scripts. I was watching g advent children for the first time and was actually enjoying it but it eventually became unwatchable due to all the loving moaning and sighing and whimpering. do these directors not know how to have their actors convey emotion without making a weird goddamn noise?
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Aug 20, 2015 19:40
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Help Im Alive posted:I have not heard Kazuma Kiryu speaking in English but I hope to god I never do Did you not play the first Yakuza game?
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Aug 20, 2015 19:40
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TommyGun85 posted:because only good actors can delivwr all the moans and sighs that make up 90% of their scripts. Are you sure that wasn't just you?
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Aug 20, 2015 19:42
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Sakurazuka posted:Are you sure that wasn't just you? it may have been but that's not the point.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:43
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Sakurazuka posted:Did you not play the first Yakuza game? 3 was the one that got me into the series. I want to play 1/2 and was hoping the HD remaster from a couple of years ago would somehow make it over here but I guess that was never going to happen
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Aug 20, 2015 19:44
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I don't mind subs-only for video games because full voiced dialogue should be banned anyway since everyone clicks through the dialogue in .25 seconds except people with brain diseases that like watching stilted polygonmen acting or are literally illiterate
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Aug 20, 2015 19:45
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epitasis posted:I don't mind subs-only for video games because full voiced dialogue should be banned anyway since everyone clicks through the dialogue in .25 seconds except people with brain diseases that like watching stilted polygonmen acting or are literally illiterate What about dialogue that plays over gameplay?
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Aug 20, 2015 19:45
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There's a mobile app called Final Fantasy Portal which includes a free download right now of FF1, as well as a standalone Triple Triad game 
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Aug 20, 2015 19:46
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I can't believe it took square this long to make a free to play Triple Triad for phone.
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Aug 20, 2015 19:47
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ImpAtom posted:What about dialogue that plays over gameplay? shouts and effort noises and such are good for flavor and easily reusable
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Aug 20, 2015 19:47
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epitasis posted:I don't mind subs-only for video games because full voiced dialogue should be banned anyway since everyone clicks through the dialogue in .25 seconds except people with brain diseases that like watching stilted polygonmen acting or are literally illiterate
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like i can see that argument for FPS's or action games but saying that in a freaking final fantasy thread is the weirdest thing. once you remove the plots from these games all you have is a mash x simulator.
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