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I can't even tell what Bush believes in. He's opposed to "anchor babies" and supports birthright citizenship. What?Internet Webguy posted:I think this criticism is overrated. I get it in the base terms but no exchange will go "Who's that?" "Jeb." "Oh, well that is enough information I need to make an important political decision. Thank you, fellow citizen." Xenophon fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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Xenophon posted:I can't even tell what Bush believes in. He's opposed to "anchor babies" and supports birthright citizenship. What? Maybe he is the real rival to Trump after all. He has embraced incoherence.
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Aug 20, 2015 21:56
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Montasque posted:Jeb Bush Cites Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio in Defending Birthright Citizenship Apparently Birth Tourism is a real thing. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/china-us-birth-tourism_n_7187180.html
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fade5 posted:I'm not sure if this is another landmine or not. Has anyone even mentioned taking away birthright citizenship from children born to people in the US legally? Because I don't think they have, unless I've just missed the real racist poo poo. I don't support taking it away from anyone, but the left is going to do itself in if it keeps failing to recognize the difference between legal immigrants, visa-overstayers, and undocumented immigrants. Those are three distinct groups of people and it's non-sensical to treat them as if they are the same. The only thing they have in common is that they came from another country at some point.
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he didn't even mention Bobby Jindal, who literally would not have US citizenship without Birthright Citizenship.
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Xenophon posted:I can't even tell what Bush believes in. He's opposed to "anchor babies" and supports birthright citizenship. What? Maybe he wants to institute a system where undocumented mothers are rounded up whenever they show up at hospitals in labor. If we can get them across the border before the baby pops out then that takes care of that.
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Xenophon posted:I can't even tell what Bush believes in. He's opposed to "anchor babies" and supports birthright citizenship. What?
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Xenophon posted:I can't even tell what Bush believes in. He's opposed to "anchor babies" and supports birthright citizenship. What? You know how race cars hang on each others' asses to benefit from the aerodynamic wake the lead car is leaving? Well that's what the whole GOP bench is doing, with Trump being the lead car.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Joseph Lieberman You keep mentioning him as if the fact that he came out for McCain in 2008, and was afterward allowed by the Dems to keep his committee seniority, is entirely irrelevant. Nevermind that when he "singlehandedly" (  Dems weren't acting in good faith!) killed Medicare-at-55 he faced not even a phonecall from Obama, much less any arm-twisting by the Dem caucus. Also nevermind that Lieberman was simply playing the role of rotating villain, which charade allows the Dems to never have nice things that the lobbyists who fund them, like AHIP, expressly don't want..Honestly, I've never seen a bigger bunch of crybabies as Dems under this administration. The Audacity of Hope, what?
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PT6A posted:Has anyone even mentioned taking away birthright citizenship from children born to people in the US legally? Because I don't think they have, unless I've just missed the real racist poo poo. I don't support taking it away from anyone, but the left is going to do itself in if it keeps failing to recognize the difference between legal immigrants, visa-overstayers, and undocumented immigrants. Those are three distinct groups of people and it's non-sensical to treat them as if they are the same. The only thing they have in common is that they came from another country at some point. I don't think any of the candidates has got that far down into the details. What if you are here on a student visa? tourist visa? Temporary worker? H1B?. All of these are legal status. The US and Canada are the only developed countries that have birthright status according to this site. The Site I'm not sure how they do it in other countries, as far as the student\tourist etc... visas. This is not new territory, there are plenty of other examples.
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Willa Rogers posted:You keep mentioning him as if the fact that he came out for McCain in 2008, and was afterward allowed by the Dems to keep his committee seniority, is entirely irrelevant. I'm sure kicking him out of the party would also have done wonders for the Democratic supermajority of 2008-2010.
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^^^ Here's an idea, then: Don't let him call the shots by being the 55th vote against a clause in a bill that was ultimately passed needing only 51 votes. Or pick up the drat phone. Or give him Homeland Security to wreck instead of healthcare reform. Of course, those wouldn't do bc the insurance industry didn't want Medicare to be opened up.WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Because the 50-state strategy is about electing Democrats, not liberals Your beloved strawman Lieberman didn't run as a Dem, nor did he vote as one. And the 50-state strategy was put in place for party-building, not for electing any old hick with a D next to his name. You're a terrific example why so-called conventional wisdom is neither.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Still sticking by my bet that Hilary will have Hulian on her short list of VP picks to groom him for a possible run in 4-8 years and ushering in a Castro Presidency while his brother moves up through the ranks in Congress. Plus picking a Castro VP actually makes sense and would be a potential boost to the ticket, unlike fevered goon dreams of Elizabeth Warren who doesn't want to be part of the executive in the first place. Yes. The Democrats are going to nominate the loving HUD Secretary for President in 2016. because they're complete loving idiots E: Re: the 50 State Strategy, WhiskeyJuvenile is probably correct insofar as a 50-state strategy would lead to more moderate pro-business Dems - if you increase the total number of Democrats overall, some of those are going to be moderates. But I don't see any reason for thinking those would be the only people elected by a 50-state strategy. And more importantly, electing more Democrats diminishes the power of those marginal Dems, it doesn't increase it. Bob Ojeda fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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Tricky D posted:Bobby Jindal thinks he can run with the big dogs. Guess whose parents weren't US citizens at the time of his birth
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Published in July. So they were openly calling the Jewish candidate a Nazi even before I speculated it was only a matter of time.  I do enjoy the irony of their gloating about Bernie trailing Hillary, though. National Review thinking he's unelectable is the most certain confirmation he'll be President yet. 
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america is one great rescission away from becoming a third world country. this is inevitable, because such economic crunches benefit the wealthy in the short term. we are already close, when you look at our education/wealth gap/military spending/incarceration/militarized police. we don't have time for strategic voting when both the country and the planet is dying. bernie or nothing.
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Bern sure knows his crowd.
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Bernie's polling at 34% in Arizona, vs 56% for Hillary. And Trump is absolutely dominating the Republicans at 33% http://www.oann.com/pollaz/ e Among WI Democrats, Hillary Clinton leads for president at 44%. Bernie Sanders 32%, Joe Biden 12%, others less than 1% https://twitter.com/MULawPoll/status/634415472642011136 Sheng-Ji Yang fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Aug 20, 2015 |
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Aug 20, 2015 23:27
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Bernie's polling at 34% in Arizona, vs 56% for Hillary. Yet another poll with Scott Walker under 5%.
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Willa Rogers posted:You keep mentioning him as if the fact that he came out for McCain in 2008, and was afterward allowed by the Dems to keep his committee seniority, is entirely irrelevant. Blast from the Past! Willa Rogers! Griping about health care! 2010 is here again.
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Hillary's campaign set it up so that if you text INSULT to 47246 it plays a clip of Jeb! talking about anchor babies.
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Joementum posted:Hillary's campaign set it up so that if you text INSULT to 47246 it plays a clip of Jeb! talking about anchor babies. I can't tell if that's a joke or if it's actually the sort of obtuse means Hillary would use to connect with voters.
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I think getting Democrats elected, then hounding them with primary threats if they sell out (or, if we're going to be gracious for the transition period, if they sell out to people outside of their districts) is a solid plan, really.
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Xenophon posted:I can't even tell what Bush believes in. He's opposed to "anchor babies" and supports birthright citizenship. What? It's a roundabout way of saying that he supports birth citizenship, except for undesirable people. Wants it to be set up where the government can decide on case by case basis who actually deserves their birth right citizenship.
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Probad posted:I can't tell if that's a joke or if it's actually the sort of obtuse means Hillary would use to connect with voters. It's certainly not a way for her campaign to harvest cell phone number to call back for donations. Definitely not.
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Probad posted:I can't tell if that's a joke or if it's actually the sort of obtuse means Hillary would use to connect with voters. 
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It took me a second.
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Quote of the day, “You know, a lot of the gangs that you see — this doesn’t hopefully pertain to you guys so much — when you look at Baltimore, when you look at Chicago, and Ferguson a lot of these areas. You know, a lot of these gang members are illegal immigrants. They’re gonna be gone. We’re gonna get them out so fast, out of this country. So fast.” ~ Donald Trump, turning the subtext into the text.
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Bob Ojeda posted:Yes. The Democrats are going to nominate the loving HUD Secretary for President in 2016. because they're complete loving idiots My condolences for your inability to read or understand what the words "comedy option" mean.
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Mitt Romney posted:It's a roundabout way of saying that he supports birth citizenship, except for undesirable people. Wants it to be set up where the government can decide on case by case basis who actually deserves their birth right citizenship. Nah, he just can't come out and publicly advocate ripping American babies from their filthy foreign mothers' arms. Cut the anchor, and let the swelling tide of popular opinion sweep that ship away.
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, “You know, a lot of the gangs that you see — this doesn’t hopefully pertain to you guys so much — when you look at Baltimore, when you look at Chicago, and Ferguson a lot of these areas. You know, a lot of these gang members are illegal immigrants. They’re gonna be gone. We’re gonna get them out so fast, out of this country. So fast.” ~ Donald Trump, turning the subtext into the text. Soon he's going to be talking about how illegal immigrants run the international banking cabal. 
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Have people seen this yet? From Talking Points Memo quote:
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Tricky D posted:Soon he's going to be talking about how illegal immigrants run the international banking cabal. How else could Mexico take the job of world's richest man away from an American?
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Indie Rocktopus posted:Have people seen this yet? I've been telling you guys this exact thing for months now.
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Indie Rocktopus posted:Have people seen this yet? Why on earth is a law school running a poll?
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Even low-info Wisconsinites are realizing that everything Walker has done for the past four years and a half was all calculated to angle himself towards the presidency and that the reason he's been traveling all over the country for the past two years isn't to help Wisconsin it was only to help himself and people are pissed about it I mean all the politics nerds realized this back in 2010, 2011, but it takes time for this stuff to filter down (and it helps that the progressives in Madison have been screaming about it nonstop for years and they're being proven right with incontrovertible evidence)
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Brannock posted:Even low-info Wisconsinites are realizing that everything Walker has done for the past four years and a half was all calculated to angle himself towards the presidency and that the reason he's been traveling all over the country for the past two years isn't to help Wisconsin it was only to help himself and people are pissed about it How do you think New Yorkers feel about Hillary as their former Senator
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EugeneJ posted:How do you think New Yorkers feel about Hillary as their former Senator I don't live in New York and I only know a few people from/in NY, so I couldn't say
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Brannock posted:I don't live in New York and I only know a few people from/in NY, so I couldn't say Hint: She promised 100,000 new jobs for Upstate New York before she took office. During her 8 years as Senator the state *lost* jobs. She didn't do poo poo.
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