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I haven't seen her perform but her recorded music makes her seem like she'd be a bit boring live. You know, sort of "stand behind the microphone for an hour and a half" without a whole lot of action or movement. 
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Pretty sure she spins around and stuff Edit for substance: the other poster is obviously and admittedly a big fan of hers. For most people, she will only ever be the girl who sang "Young and Beautiful." She has some other catchy songs, but most of us her music is weighed down by a fatal dose of bizarre hipster nonsense for lyrics or a lack of compelling arrangement. the truth fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Aug 16, 2015 23:26
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Honestly I kinda like Lana Del Rey when she's at her poppiest. Lolita and Dark Paradise are pretty damned good songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlHa6yfdCSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZwCu8u0bzA And honestly, her music is kinda alternative compared to much of what's on the top 40's but it's also "safe" to listen to without sounding too alternative. She's like the safest alternative pop artist there is, similar to Lorde but even Lorde's music sometimes goes further than Lana's music with songs like Ribs and Bravado. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TImqwfEbaeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qaeoz_7cyE Stalins Moustache fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Aug 16, 2015 |
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Aug 16, 2015 23:43
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I'm gonna try to listen to Ultraviolence later, I guess. Maybe I will find something there that I don't get from random links to her tracks, they just all seem so dull Man, I really liked that new Weeknd single after inadvertently ignoring him for the last few years, and now I'm listening to his older stuff and it's really loving good! I'm working through his mixtape compilation and it all kind of blends together, but I dig the atmosphere. Also every time I fade back in and pay attention to the lyrics it's some of the filthiest poo poo I've ever heard. I like what he has going. The other two singles off the new album track a little closer to his earlier aesthetic than the straight pop of Can't Feel My Face. Looking forward to hearing the rest of the album.
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Aug 16, 2015 23:45
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Ultraviolence was very dull. Brooklyn Baby is my favorite track on the album.
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Aug 17, 2015 00:10
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abraham linksys posted:holding up a sad bored rich white girl as the end-all be-all of pop music at the moment. what on earth. To be fair, that describes like half of pop music, throughout history. Anyway, the very first track of Ultraviolence, "Cruel World", is by far the best thing I've heard by her. The rest of the album has its ups and downs. So if that track doesn't impress you, don't get your hopes up for the rest of it. But I do think that song is brilliant.
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Aug 17, 2015 00:52
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the truth posted:Ultraviolence was very dull. Brooklyn Baby is my favorite track on the album. I've said it before but Ultraviolence really has to be heard on vinyl, or at least on an acquired needledrop thereof—the CD seems to have ruined the lo-fi analog sound she was going for with bad mastering choices; it's just not the sort of recording you can compress the poo poo out of and expect to sound good. A Phil Spector pastiche like the title track certainly isn't something you get from many people. But I kind of think pop music peaked somewhere around 1968.
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Mermaid Autopsy posted:I kind of think pop music peaked somewhere around 1968. I mean I can sort of get down with this but I don't think Lana Del Rey's ever released something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJKe2j9Wjh4 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-NhojnwMh8 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3bjMtqpGBw Sir Lemming posted:Anyway, the very first track of Ultraviolence, "Cruel World", is by far the best thing I've heard by her. The rest of the album has its ups and downs. So if that track doesn't impress you, don't get your hopes up for the rest of it. this track is pretty good though, I'll keep listening
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If you want a more interesting Lana Del Rey, check out Zella Day or Ryn Weaver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pySSdwwx204 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta3OsyNCuvs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furpBFPwspQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1AJvIzCBTQ
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RevKrule posted:If you want a more interesting Lana Del Rey, check out Zella Day or Ryn Weaver. I think this is maybe Zella Day's best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go2b07t18mo
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abraham linksys posted:I mean I can sort of get down with this but I don't think Lana Del Rey's ever released something like Well … tracks like "Summertime Sadness," "Born to Die," "Ride," and "American" (to choose some of her more popular efforts) definitely adhere to the same sort of baroque formalism; there is a sense of the cinematic and melodramatic that is much more in line with the aesthetic of the 1960's than today. Which is to say, I think she gets the sort of innate power and mystery that made those tracks timeless, rather than merely slavishly imitating superficial aspects. This track in particular really succeeds on a purely aesthetic level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOqApU9NlcE The issue is that Lana is a product of the Great Man theory of history, while critics are fully entrenched within the socioeconomic mold, where there are not artists but movements. Mermaid Autopsy fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Aug 17, 2015 06:03
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Mermaid Autopsy posted:I've said it before but Ultraviolence really has to be heard on vinyl, or at least on an acquired needledrop thereof—the CD seems to have ruined the lo-fi analog sound she was going for with bad mastering choices; it's just not the sort of recording you can compress the poo poo out of and expect to sound good. How can you say this in a world where Call Me Maybe exists? Or Baby One More Time, or Biology, or Thriller? Not to mention countless performers who may not get top-40 hits but are putting out great work (Robyn, Janelle Monae, Adam Lambert, Emeli Sande). There's always good music out there, you just need to know where to look. PUGGERNAUT fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Aug 17, 2015 06:57
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Mermaid Autopsy posted:I've said it before but Ultraviolence really has to be heard on vinyl, or at least on an acquired needledrop thereof—the CD seems to have ruined the lo-fi analog sound she was going for with bad mastering choices; it's just not the sort of recording you can compress the poo poo out of and expect to sound good. Ugh, sorry Mermaid, but an argument like this is never ever going to convince me. As it turns out I quite like High By The Beach, so I decided to give Ultraviolence another chance and listened to the whole of it this weekend. And "slightly better sound quality" isn't going to make that album less of a slog to sit through. PUGGERNAUT posted:How can you say this in a world where Call Me Maybe exists? Or Baby One More Time, or Biology, or Thriller? Not to mention countless performers who may not get top-40 hits but are putting out great work (Robyn, Janelle Monae, Adam Lambert, Emeli Sande). There's always good music out there, you just need to know where to look. Also, this. Together with the vinyl comment I'm getting strong "old men yells at cloud" vibes  .EDIT: Bonus points to Puggernaut for that Wikipedia link. DominoDancing fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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I actually like Lana del Rey. I had a bad impression of her initially, when I watched Ride's videoclip and the ending monologue was so loving American that I gagged.  But I dig some of the music she puts out - that said, I can't even mention one track from Ultraviolence that was memorable to me.Also  at even using the Great Man myth unironically.Also, thanks for the Ryn Weaver and Zella Day links up there. I'm in a huge Foxes spree right now, but I'm liking those tracks a lot.
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I really, really tried to like "Call Me Maybe" but for whatever reason I just couldn't get into it. I remember Carly Rae Jepsen appeared on the Christmas episode of TOTP that year and I thought she was a bit off-key. She wasn't "Katy Perry or Kanye West trying to sing Queen" bad or anything, but it definitely made an impression. Now, being a little off-key isn't necessarily going to kill a performance, but it was distracting enough to detract from it. I care a lot (probably more than is entirely fair) about a recording artist's ability to perform well outside a studio setting. I feel like artists should aspire to capture their love sound in a studio rather than reproducing their studio sound live. You don't need to have a brilliant voice - in fact having s technically good voice isn't really worth much if you perform mechanically - but you should be able to use it well. She might be very good and that was just an off-day (everyone has them) but it made a bad impression. Sort of like that video of Katy Perry doing a well and truly atrocious cover of "Don't Stop Me Now" prejudiced me against her. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Aug 17, 2015 08:30
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Is there a particular reason why Twigs hasn't gotten a mention as an alternative to Lana?
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Sorry but this is the best pop song of the 90s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fndeDfaWCg
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That is a pretty great song.
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Khagan posted:Is there a particular reason why Twigs hasn't gotten a mention as an alternative to Lana? FKA Twigs is much more Bjork/Kate Bush-like, whereas Lana is more easily accessible. They're in very different areas of the alternative niche. Josh Lyman posted:Sorry but this is the best pop song of the 90s: A goddamn masterpiece, a classic for the ages. Exhibit A that Kevin was the most talented out of all of them.
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Twigs is more in a lane with The Weeknd than Lana.
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abraham linksys posted:I'm gonna try to listen to Ultraviolence later, I guess. Maybe I will find something there that I don't get from random links to her tracks, they just all seem so dull I can understand why a lot of people are turned off on Ultraviolence, or Lana Del Rey in general. Her music typically isn't happy or catchy in my opinion. If you really listen to the lyrics on Ultraviolence, almost all of it is depressing and has some sort of reference to drugs, self harm, or domestic violence. Born to Die was the same way. I've just kinda accepted that i'm hosed up in the head because I love Lana Del Rey's music. Also, since Carly Rae Jepsen got mentioned on this page, I am still listening to Emotion a lot and it's such a great album. I said come in! fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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PUGGERNAUT posted:A goddamn masterpiece, a classic for the ages. Exhibit A that Kevin was the most talented out of all of them. It's not the best pop song of the 1990s, though. The best pop song of the 1990s is "Waterfalls" by TLC. I said come in! posted:Also, since Carly Rae Jepsen got mentioned on this page, I am still listening to Emotion a lot and it's such a great album. What happened to her after "Call Me Maybe"? That song was everywhere the summer it came out, then she had that duet with Owl City that was a middle-sized hit, and since then... Not really had anything else blowing up the charts, has she? Why's that, then?
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Wheat Loaf posted:What happened to her after "Call Me Maybe"? That song was everywhere the summer it came out, then she had that duet with Owl City that was a middle-sized hit, and since then... Not really had anything else blowing up the charts, has she? Why's that, then? Her new album has had a staggered release and was only out in Japan for a while, but finally comes out in America this weekend. I assume that has not helped things. There's nothing about Emotion on iTunes and i'm not even sure if there's been a single yet for the album?
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Aug 17, 2015 20:47
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The first single was I Really Like You and not the title track for some dumb reason.
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I said come in! posted:Her new album has had a staggered release and was only out in Japan for a while, but finally comes out in America this weekend. I assume that has not helped things. There's nothing about Emotion on iTunes and i'm not even sure if there's been a single yet for the album? Yeah, but I mean, why didn't she manage to get any big follow-up hits to "Call Me Maybe" from whatever album it was on? Sure, Gotye didn't either that year, but "Somebody That I Used To Know" becoming this huge hit was a bit of an oddity anyway, wasn't it?
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Azran posted:Also  It was an ironic observation re: fickle modern music criticism following modern historiography in being about movements and scenes rather than individualsPUGGERNAUT posted:How can you say this in a world where Call Me Maybe exists? Or Baby One More Time, or Biology, or Thriller? Not to mention countless performers who may not get top-40 hits but are putting out great work (Robyn, Janelle Monae, Adam Lambert, Emeli Sande). There's always good music out there, you just need to know where to look. Yeah well those are catchy tunes, but the list of artists here kind of speaks for itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1968 But going into the pop music thread to say that you don't actually like pop music is usually a losing proposition DominoDancing posted:Also, this. Together with the vinyl comment I'm getting strong "old men yells at cloud" vibes I feel the inscribed grooves played on a needle produce more pleasing sing-song melodies than the ones and zeroes assembled on a plastic disc, these are my Very Serious Opinions About Pop Music on the dead comedy pay-forum where we 30-somethings complain about Tumblr and post in a 356-page thread about collecting vinyl Mermaid Autopsy fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Mermaid Autopsy posted:Yeah well those are catchy tunes, but the list of artists here kind of speaks for itself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1968 "People Got To Be Free" is a great song. The Rascals were much, much better when they were still called the Young Rascals and were basically white guys with a bar band playing soul music, but "People Got To Be Free" is good enough that it almost justifies the meandering bloatedness of Once Upon A Dream and Freedom Suite. Some artists are at their best when they're keeping it simple; for instance, the first Madness album is their best one, even though it's probably their least accomplished, if you get what I mean. Or it's a bit like how Katy Perry's last album was meant to be "deep" and "personal" and all that - I mean, fair enough, but does anyone really want a "deep" and "personal" Katy Perry album? Also, "I Wish It Would Rain" is probably the best Temptations single, and possibly the best single of Motown's Detroit era ("You Can't Hurry Love" comes close - it's the best Supremes single because everything about it is perfect - it's their "Be My Baby", which is also perfect). You know what era I think is unfairly maligned? The early 1960s, between Elvis getting drafted and the Beatles arriving. I think there's a lot of good stuff in there. That's when Phil Spector really took off in a big way. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's not the best pop song of the 1990s, though. The best pop song of the 1990s is "Waterfalls" by TLC. Tonight I'm Getting Over You should've been a massive worldwide hit, I don't understand what happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBOE1aUNZVo
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Hahah, so I won a free pass to see Carly Rae Jepsen perform live this Thursday at Terminal 5. No, not the concert venue in Manhattan, but the building in JFK International Airport where JetBlue flights arrive and depart. I'll have to go through the TSA screening and everything. Thanks, Interscope...
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interpunct posted:Hahah, so I won a free pass to see Carly Rae Jepsen perform live this Thursday at Terminal 5. No, not the concert venue in Manhattan, but the building in JFK International Airport where JetBlue flights arrive and depart. I'll have to go through the TSA screening and everything. Thanks, Interscope... Whoever manages her career deserves to be fired. There's no reason she shouldn't be an A-lister when she's got songs like this to her name: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC9aceFjhd4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_98VZT9s7M0 I Really Like You shouldn't have been the first single, it should've been Run Away With Me. And the album should've come out in May worldwide, not just in Japan, staggered release dates are so dumb.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's not the best pop song of the 1990s, though. The best pop song of the 1990s is "Waterfalls" by TLC. 1 hit wonder
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I tried hard not to, but I can't not love this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkElfR_NPBI
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sportsgenius86 posted:I tried hard not to, but I can't not love this song. Heard it on satellite radio and couldn't get enough, don't feel bad it's awesome and catchy.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:1 hit wonder She can't, by definition, be a 1 hit wonder cause she had the second hit with Owl City (while forgotten, it was a legitimate hit).
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The Modern Leper posted:She can't, by definition, be a 1 hit wonder cause she had the second hit with Owl City (while forgotten, it was a legitimate hit). Depends on how strict you want to be about the definition, I suppose. Is a one-hit wonder an artist who has one hit and never appears on the chart again, or is it an artist who has one hit that overshadows everything else they've done. Like, to use the inverse example, Jimi Hendrix only ever had one Top 40 hit on the Hot 100 but he wasn't a one-hit wonder.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Depends on how strict you want to be about the definition, I suppose. Is a one-hit wonder an artist who has one hit and never appears on the chart again, or is it an artist who has one hit that overshadows everything else they've done. Like, to use the inverse example, Jimi Hendrix only ever had one Top 40 hit on the Hot 100 but he wasn't a one-hit wonder. I think Carly Rae falls into that category at this time.
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That Carly Rae Jepsen performance at JFK Airport was only a four song acoustic set, half of which were from Emotion (I Really Like You and Run Away From Me). Even better, the stage area had an obnoxiously high barrier in the way: At least she sounded pretty good and was really sweet during the 30-second meet and greet.
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interpunct posted:That Carly Rae Jepsen performance at JFK Airport was only a four song acoustic set, half of which were from Emotion (I Really Like You and Run Away From Me). Even better, the stage area had an obnoxiously high barrier in the way: Do her bangs look just as immaculate in person?
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Now appearing between the Auntie Anne's Pretzel cart and Terminal 7's Hudson News, its 2011's hottest singer, Carly Rae Jepsen!
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Wheat Loaf posted:Depends on how strict you want to be about the definition, I suppose. Is a one-hit wonder an artist who has one hit and never appears on the chart again, or is it an artist who has one hit that overshadows everything else they've done. Like, to use the inverse example, Jimi Hendrix only ever had one Top 40 hit on the Hot 100 but he wasn't a one-hit wonder. I follow Chris Molanphy's rules (which were inspired in part by CRJ's hit with Owl City): http://www.villagevoice.com/music/100-and-single-three-rules-to-define-the-term-one-hit-wonder-in-2012-6637330 Not a OHW if 1) top ten hit anytime after the first hit 2) 2d top 40 hit more than 6 months after the first hit (to avoid the halo effect from the "real" hit) 3) 3 top ten or platinum albums over their career Edit; I don't like the "the song everyone remembers" criteria, because over a few decades it basically means that any artist who didn't have enough hits to support a greatest hits album becomes a OHW in the public consciousness. Just because it's cheaper/easier to put the BIGGEST hit on the compilation CD or the radio playlist doesn't erase the other hit(s) the artist had. The Modern Leper fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Aug 21, 2015 |
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