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Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Hellsau posted:



I...might just be getting reported simply for existing and being good at the game. I may well be getting banned for firing gold ammo. Astonishing.


HE is the worst mechanic in the game.

completely automated without any checks and balances? talk about the perfect way to abuse the system.

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srb
Jul 24, 2007

Hellsau posted:

I...might just be getting reported simply for existing and being good at the game. I may well be getting banned for firing gold ammo. Astonishing.


I knew things like this would happen. 100% called it.

Also regarding replays, they still work if you make a shortcut to the game executable and drag the replay file on top of it (so it says "open with").

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Bort Bortles posted:

Yeah it was the front of an E-50. Shot me straight on in the front upper plate. The T49 did like ~430 damage with a silver HE shell to my front plate. An IS-2 premium did 500+ to my Bat Chat with an AP shell.

It just has a normal 122mm, it can't do more than 487 damage.


Are you using the damage log mod?

srb
Jul 24, 2007
IS-2 should not see BatChat since it's a tier 7, was it platooned up? In that case, did it fire HE? Base damage of D-25 HE shell was upped to 530 a while back.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.
French tanks and other really thin tanks with specific models can technically be double penned by one shell if it intersects hull armor twice in a short straight line from first impact. It is extremely rare (I've seen it twice and not in the last year) but it does happen. More than likely two tanks hit your Batchat simultaneously - the damage log mods frequently mess up when two shots hit at the same time.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

It just has a normal 122mm, it can't do more than 487 damage.


Are you using the damage log mod?
I use the damage log and it was definitely a T46 that fired HE. Nothing else shot me within ~3 seconds of the T49 firing. The damage log mod showed me that it was a simple HE shell; not gold or AP.

edit: I should have taken a screenshot I didnt realize it would be this much of a thing.

AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Aug 21, 2015

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Bort Bortles posted:

I use the damage log and it was definitely a T46 that fired HE. Nothing else shot me within ~3 seconds of the T49 firing. The damage log mod showed me that it was a simple HE shell; not gold or AP.

HE is literally magic and can do anything given enough pubbie luck. The IS-2 shooting AP at a Batchat is much more interesting.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Hellsau posted:

HE is literally magic and can do anything given enough pubbie luck. The IS-2 shooting AP at a Batchat is much more interesting.
He was platooned in, forgot to reply to that. I dont remember as many details about that because I was driving around in the middle of a firefight but I remembered being really confused that the damage log showed a ~500 damage hit from an IS-2.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Bort Bortles posted:

In other news is there something special about the IS-2 premium?

Slight tangent, but it's armour is better. I ruddy love my IS-2B.

Jack_tripper
Jun 7, 2009

Bort Bortles posted:

Thank you for the explanation but that is a loving crock of poo poo lol

that is the only thing the T49 can do other than go fast in a straight line; if you nerfed the ability to frontally HE pen armored targets (on those rare times it doesn't miss) you might as well remove it from the game

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Jack_tripper posted:

that is the only thing the T49 can do other than go fast in a straight line; if you nerfed the ability to frontally HE pen armored targets (on those rare times it doesn't miss) you might as well remove it from the game
Well then give it a different gun or remove it from the game because thats a poo poo, unfun, obtuse, dumb mechanic. The E-50 has frontal armor for a reason and a T8 light/scout tank just damaged the front of one for more damage than T9 mediums do.

Steelion
Aug 2, 2009
The big difference is that the T49 can only do that every 20+ seconds. A medium tank can hit you for that much over twice as often.

RanKizama
Apr 22, 2015

Shinobi Heart
Finally started down the Russian medium line and I'm on the T-80. Somehow I'm finishing a lot of LT missions with this little thing without even trying. For the only non-premium Russian tank in my garage, it's not bad.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Bort Bortles posted:

I just realized that the AMX 30 (tier 9) takes 197,000XP to unlock....the E50M (tier 10) takes 183,010. :confused:

The trees are supposed to be balanced in terms of total XP to get from 1 to 10, rather than having tanks and modules cost the same at each tier (contrasted with, say, most/all tier 10s costing 6.1 M credits.) The E50M takes roughly 600k XP to unlock based on recent experience, and the AMX 30 should be very similar; disregard the individual costs of each vehicle (or add up all the costs from the entire line to confirm.)

Chillyrabbit posted:

Is 30 USD for the Jg 88, 1250 gold and 7 days premium worth it? Now considering buying it since they are removing it from the store. (those cock suckers) Looking at Kinguin

It was a better deal when you could redeem 4 codes, because each one is worth about $50 while costing half that much. $30 for one code isn't bad since that breaks the cost of the JT88 down to about $20. I can't tell whether or not you'll enjoy driving it, but it will come in handy at least for earning credits, and the German tree has good TDs as well so it'll be a more versatile crew trainer than the E25.

Prav posted:

New* map on the way!



Wow, I'm glad they made the location of the castle historically accurate! You know, the castle in Detroit? :)

xthetenth posted:

Buddy, you have a problem. I'm not sure that it's playing world of tanks, getting drunk, or actually drinking PBR, but at some point there's definitely a problem.

He was drinking PBR before it was cool. :smug:

Pornographic Memory posted:

I think the best thing I've done since I started playing again is not installing XVM. It just makes playing solo that much more depressing because it mostly just emphasizes how much you're surrounded by idiots.

XVM is a collection of interface enhancements. You'd be wise to take advantage of them, although Wargaming has finally started to take the hint and implement some of the features to the stock client (e.g. the minimap mods.) XVM-stat is only one component of the whole package, and you can avoid using it just by not logging in and activating it on their site.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

Atomizer posted:

Wow, I'm glad they made the location of the castle historically accurate! You know, the castle in Detroit? :)

Isn't Detroit on flatland too?

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Atomizer posted:

Wow, I'm glad they made the location of the castle historically accurate! You know, the castle in Detroit? :)

Do you North Americans even know what a castle looks like? Disneyland doesn't count btw.

On actual tanks talk, I don't know which tank to get next.
My options are:
Rebuying the KV-2
Tier 7 French arty
IS-7
Obj704
WZ-131
T-34-1
Tiger2
IndienPanzer
Maus
Panther

The 704 looks good for the TD missions, and the IS-7 looks fun for tier10s, but otherwise I am at loss what to get next.
I have a Lefh crew for the French arty, a type62/64 crew for the WZ. I am mostly interested in getting the WZ-120, so the Chinese light might be an idea.
Is the Leopards close in playstyle to the Cromwell/CDC, cause that might also be an option?
Otherwise, the Panther and Tiger2 lines are kinda obvious.

Finally, which equipment as third slot on a T29?
Optics or Vents?

Lynneth
Sep 13, 2011
Thanks to Hellsau's post a few days ago I'm thinking about going down either the Russian or American Light line. In either case, which would be the best trainer? T2 Light vs Locust and T-127 vs Valentine II.
I'm leaning towards the Russians right now, in part because I'd rather not deal with the derpgunnery on the T49.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Lynneth posted:

Thanks to Hellsau's post a few days ago I'm thinking about going down either the Russian or American Light line. In either case, which would be the best trainer? T2 Light vs Locust and T-127 vs Valentine II.
I'm leaning towards the Russians right now, in part because I'd rather not deal with the derpgunnery on the T49.

The T2 LT is a tier two that sees tier fours and is worse than many regular tier twos. The Locust gets regular tier three matchmaking and has terrible pen, meaning you will always be a bottom tier (at least on the NA server) that can't damage poo poo. The Valentine 2 is garbage that only sees tier fours for a reason.

The T-127 gets preferential matchmaking, has good armor and the gun is adequate for what it sees. Get that one.

Lynneth
Sep 13, 2011

Hellsau posted:

The T2 LT is a tier two that sees tier fours and is worse than many regular tier twos. The Locust gets regular tier three matchmaking and has terrible pen, meaning you will always be a bottom tier (at least on the NA server) that can't damage poo poo. The Valentine 2 is garbage that only sees tier fours for a reason.

The T-127 gets preferential matchmaking, has good armor and the gun is adequate for what it sees. Get that one.

Down yet another Russian line it is, then. Thanks for the advice.

M.C. McMic
Nov 8, 2008

The Weight room
Is your friend

srb posted:

Also regarding replays, they still work if you make a shortcut to the game executable and drag the replay file on top of it (so it says "open with").

You can also copy replays into your main WoT directory, and the replays will play from there.

subhelios
May 26, 2013

Unfortunately, there is no such game as 'World of Submarines.'

M.C. McMic posted:

You can also copy replays into your main WoT directory, and the replays will play from there.

Alternatively just making it so that the default 'open with' program is WoT. Whichever of these floats your boat really.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Cardiac posted:

Finally, which equipment as third slot on a T29?
Optics or Vents?

A quick and dirty rule for the optics vs vents dilemma is to look at the second number in the maximum view range. If it is lower than the vehicle tier use vents, otherwise use optics.

Basically you want to use optics when your view range is higher than the average view range at your tier. It just happens that the average view range for each tier is about 10x the vehicle tier plus 300.

If the view range for the T29 is >370 use vents, otherwise use optics.

Creamed Cormp
Jan 8, 2011

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Jack_tripper posted:

that is the only thing the T49 can do other than go fast in a straight line; if you nerfed the ability to frontally HE pen armored targets (on those rare times it doesn't miss) you might as well remove it from the game

As a T49 player, I wouldn't mind a trade where I give up all my HE shooting abilities in exchange for actually usable accuracy (with long aim time, whatever) and a 180+pen HEAT shell. (comedy option : Shillelagh)

In other news my premium time finally ran out after 2 years or so (having bought only about 18 months, tops).

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Atomizer posted:

The trees are supposed to be balanced in terms of total XP to get from 1 to 10, rather than having tanks and modules cost the same at each tier (contrasted with, say, most/all tier 10s costing 6.1 M credits.) The E50M takes roughly 600k XP to unlock based on recent experience, and the AMX 30 should be very similar; disregard the individual costs of each vehicle (or add up all the costs from the entire line to confirm.)
Ah that makes sense, thank you for the insight!

I have heard the AMX 30 is good and I like driving the 13 90 so I dont mind, I just found it odd.


In other news: Hooray I unlocked the E-50M....should I bother buying it?

M.C. McMic
Nov 8, 2008

The Weight room
Is your friend

subhelios posted:

Alternatively just making it so that the default 'open with' program is WoT. Whichever of these floats your boat really.

actually, that doesn't work... not currently for me anyway.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business
The AMX 30 is really fantastic, the AMX 30b is very good. The grind is worth it just for a maxed out AMX 30.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Lynneth posted:

Thanks to Hellsau's post a few days ago I'm thinking about going down either the Russian or American Light line. In either case, which would be the best trainer? T2 Light vs Locust and T-127 vs Valentine II.
I'm leaning towards the Russians right now, in part because I'd rather not deal with the derpgunnery on the T49.

I've been using the armored car thing. It's hilarious to drive with a good crew.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.
The T7 Combat Car is loving hilarious because it is always top tier. If they kill Province (why is this map in the game when Dragon's Ridge isn't and west spawn on Province has an insane 60%+ winrate?) and Malinovka, and leave tier 1s and 2s to play on maps that aren't criminally imbalanced (Mines and Malinovka, again very imbalanced maps, with Himmels the lone stand out) then the T7 gets even better. It isn't the best crew trainer due to no gunner in it though, and yeah T18s will still oneshot you if they can see you, and you have to deal with the rare actual good player in a Cruiser 3 or PzJg or Pz2 or whatever.

Really hope they don't gently caress up everything in the Great Map Distribution of 9.10. Come on Tier 1 Widepark!

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

I find it really amusing that I Tokyo Drift in an MT-25 far more than I do any other tank...it is so much fun.

Steelion posted:

The big difference is that the T49 can only do that every 20+ seconds. A medium tank can hit you for that much over twice as often.
The counter-point to this is that apparently the T49 can do it without aiming for a weak spot - it simply needs to connect an HE shell with the E-50 hull to potentially do up to 600 damage. lol

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!
Get over the one lucky HE shell already.

I've still never played any of the fixed t2 mm tanks but maybe I will after the t18 gets replaced.

Blindeye
Sep 22, 2006

I can't believe I kissed you!

Bort Bortles posted:

I find it really amusing that I Tokyo Drift in an MT-25 far more than I do any other tank...it is so much fun.

I've unlocked the MT-25 and eventually will get it to get to the LTTB, but I have to ask: is it fun because it can be good, or just fun because of its speed? It seems like you have a choice of the ridiculous autoloader and no penetration to dent anything, or the 57mm gun with okayish pen but needs you to stick your rear end out longer. Which gun do you run with?

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Blindeye posted:

I've unlocked the MT-25 and eventually will get it to get to the LTTB, but I have to ask: is it fun because it can be good, or just fun because of its speed? It seems like you have a choice of the ridiculous autoloader and no penetration to dent anything, or the 57mm gun with okayish pen but needs you to stick your rear end out longer. Which gun do you run with?

I ran the 57 and gas in the mt25. For whatever reason that thing really fit my style and I found it both good and fun. Extra hilarity if you run gas and rations and keep a repair kit for the tracks.

Axetrain
Sep 14, 2007

Is the lefH deal this weekend worth it, I kind of want one and this isn't too pricey.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Axetrain posted:

Is the lefH deal this weekend worth it, I kind of want one and this isn't too pricey.

On the one hand it is clearly overpowered and is almost certainly the best overall artillery in the game just to play since it can carry hard as gently caress. On the other hand it isn't actually good as a crew trainer because arti gets hosed on XP, and the French artillery line is trash aside from the tier 4.

It certainly made many of the Stug 4 and T28C missions quite easy though. I wish it was allowed for the T-55A and 260 missions because it plus warpack blindkills enemy artillery very well.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


[/quote]
There is something wrong with me. I've not played the game in 2 1/2 or 3ish years, I've come back two weeks ago and managed to tank my stats, there aren't enough goons around to platoon with AND I have still managed to spend $130 on new premium tanks.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Blindeye posted:

I've unlocked the MT-25 and eventually will get it to get to the LTTB, but I have to ask: is it fun because it can be good, or just fun because of its speed? It seems like you have a choice of the ridiculous autoloader and no penetration to dent anything, or the 57mm gun with okayish pen but needs you to stick your rear end out longer. Which gun do you run with?
I think it is great with the 57. It has great gun handling and though can be anemic against higher tiers it gets the job done. The tanks handling in general is fantastic and it is a blast to drive.


Desuwa posted:

Get over the one lucky HE shell already.
Yeah that was going to be my last post about it. Sorry.


ZombieLenin posted:

There is something wrong with me. I've not played the game in 2 1/2 or 3ish years, I've come back two weeks ago and managed to tank my stats, there aren't enough goons around to platoon with AND I have still managed to spend $130 on new premium tanks.
:rip:

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot
What equipment do you guys use in the IS-8? Currently I'm running Vstab, rammer, gld. I'm not sure if I should change gld to optics or not.

Blindeye
Sep 22, 2006

I can't believe I kissed you!
Well, I'm getting in the swing of things with the IS. Aside from having a tiger between a wall and me while I was sidescraping, no one got in my way so things went pretty well:

http://wotreplays.com/site/2099877#stats

Mastery still eludes me though, gotta keep working at it.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Agrajag posted:

What equipment do you guys use in the IS-8? Currently I'm running Vstab, rammer, gld. I'm not sure if I should change gld to optics or not.

I use Optics. GLD is useless because if you're aiming in the IS-8 instead of snapshotting you're doing it wrong and you're just less accurate. If you don't enjoy carrying matches by outspotting pubbies and don't enjoy lots of spotting damage XP, you can use Vents, but I enjoy VStab Rammer Optics.

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unlawfulsoup
May 12, 2001

Welcome home boys!

Bort Bortles posted:

The counter-point to this is that apparently the T49 can do it without aiming for a weak spot - it simply needs to connect an HE shell with the E-50 hull to potentially do up to 600 damage. lol

That is assuming the T-49 actually connects its shot, because that gun is hilariously inconsistent. You usually have to be stupidly close, and if you are just letting a T49 drive donuts around you...

Go on the test server and try it. The T-49 is a stupid tank but its not really OP or anything, and only really thin skinned vehicles need to be more aware of it.

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