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Chairman Capone posted:This may seem like a strange question, but I know there's a born again belief that grey aliens are actually demons and alien abductions are just a Satanic trick somehow, I guess to try and make people think that there's a 'scientific' explanation for Biblical truths or something like that. I'd think that idea would be fertile ground for a Christian horror movie... does anyone know if a film with that plot has ever been made? Signs.
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Also Knowing, although that film sort of spins it in the opposite direction.
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Lamprey Cannon posted:Also Knowing, although that film sort of spins it in the opposite direction. That one is more like Childhood's End, but yeah exactly.
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Wasn't there a movie about Bigfoot recently that had devil grays living in the woods?
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Was there a sequel to that Tribulation movie that involved Mister T? I picked it up from the dollar store a while ago. I don't think I finished it though, I fell asleep. But I remember the name Hannah. Are there any actually interesting movies or books about the apocalypse? The events described sounds awesome, but somehow every version I've read or seen of it is snore-inducing. Left Behind books were the worst offenders.
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DStecks posted:Spoilered because this sounds like a loving pro watch: Sounds like the typical "We don't really understand it, but rather than try, we'll just make a movie with all the outlandish bullshit we can come up with about it and mix in some persecution complex for the god fearin' people"
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Since this thread could use some good movies on faith:K. Waste posted:
In case it's confusing, I did a minor re-edit on the silent masterpiece The Passion of Joan of Arc with music from Alejandro Jodorowsky's El Topo and especially The Holy Mountain. S'gonna be good.
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Questions and something to share for film buff goons ITT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5sOOCb1JjM I came across a video made by an evangelical critical of the film industry. It's another one of those "oh hey, take everything at literal face value and not try to interpret things better". He praises Ben Hurr in the first section, and just seems to be more so focused on the Crucifixition scene than anything in that entire movie. He then moves onto bitch about "Inherit the Wind", "Elmer Gantry" and "The Last Temptation of Christ" as being movies that are overly critical of his faith. Also he deems all three "blasphemous" among other things. Now that I've heard him bitch about these things, what would a more "normal" look at those four movies sound like?
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I've heard the Last Temptation to be a contest against the Passion for a "good family Easter viewing", but I never thought that highly of the Passion anyways
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On the topic of Last Temptation of Christ just reminded me that nearly 15 years ago or so I saw something about some guy who was trying to get a movie made about his experiences running a video store and the protests and threats that occurred when they started to carry TLToC in the 1980s. The story sounded interesting when I read about it back then, so I thought I'd look up to see if anything of the story from still remained for reading. Turns out, he apparently got the film made, after all. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0415838/ Heart of the Beholder.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Questions and something to share for film buff goons ITT. The thing of critical importance here - and I'll comment only on the two films I've seen - is that Inherit the Wind and The Last Temptation of Christ are both deeply conservative movies. With its black-and-white photography and histrionic presentation, Inherit the Wind only appears like it blindly extols agnosticism if you ignore that the climactic 're-interpretation' of Genesis in the film - the great debate between Drummond and Brady (Brady basically coerced into telling the truth about the relativity of interpretation) - is not an abandonment of faith in Genesis, per se, but merely a reinterpretation of it. Drummond's final confrontation is, ironically, with the atheist journalist Hornbeck, who fails to understand how Drummond can still maintain compassion for the Evangelical town. The final image of Drummond 'weighing' the Bible and The Descent of Man in his hands before walking out of the room with both represents an emphatic endorsement of neither science nor mythology but both inherently compromising one another. The play at no point presents a clear or explicit case for even the possibility that there is no god, or even that there is any religious-moral perspective outside of Christianity. Rather, in the modern context, it is proper to view Inherit the Wind as an early thesis on the advancement of intelligent design, from the secular-humanist perspective that now still cluelessly supports its systematic teaching. The critic here engages in typical, cynical scare tactics about Hollywood's 'truthiness,' but he avoids the essential point that the foundation of the criticism of Christian creationism - that its teaching is unconstitutional and racist - is also not resolved by the play/film. The problem with teaching creationism in schools is that you either need to systematically teach all religious perspectives or none of them are acceptable, but Inherit the Wind, by virtue of its period and setting, is entirely concerned with the narrow perspectives of people who, while they might be agnostics or even atheists, are, ironically, still Christian-agnostics and Christian-atheists. Now, as a clear Evangelist, this secular-humanist (dare I say, Catholic) perspective would be immaterial to him, since any deviation from strict constructionism is necessarily blasphemy. My only point is that this guy has a clear objective: to make Hollywood's 'repudiation of faith' seem way, way, way more radical than it inherently is. The same principle operates within The Last Temptation of Christ, a film by a devout Catholic which, while superficially playing with Christ-as-Man's fallibility and the imagery of gnosticism, is actually a criticism of the secular and new age trivialization of Christian mythology. Again, the climax of the film is key - it is the moment at which Jesus is tempted into believing that as long as he engages in only a symbolic sacrifice for mankind, that this is the same thing as if he actually did die for man's sins. (In other words, the belief that it is possible to extrapolate wisdom from Christ's moral teachings without emphatically believing he was divine.) The whole point of the movie is that this interpretation is so diabolically false that Judas Iscariot himself repudiates Christ as a false prophet, and Jesus realizes that the very entity that he believed to be the hand of God was really just 'the Devil' endemic to all men, contriving convenient scenarios in which we are called upon to act as 'normal people' rather than to be 'like Christ' and do what is just. The point of the movie is that without the firm basis of irrational mythology, Christ's sacrifice contains no contemporary relevance. We learn nothing because we conform Christ to our decadent contemporary values, rather than humbling ourselves before Christ. Jesus, in the film, is in part an active and progressive historical metaphor for how Hollywood and contemporary liberalism - precisely the subject of this Evangelist's paranoid criticism - have 'bastardized' Christianity.
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Alhazred posted:I always forget that Melissa Joan Hart still exists. She's been on an ABC Family TV show ripoff of Who's The Boss for a few years now with other noted forgotten actor Joey Lawrence
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I looked more into the meaning of "Inherit the wind". I guess Jerome Lawrence wrote the script as a reaction to "McCarthyism", and not so much a "religion v. science" sort of debate, but rather a "right to think" sort of commentary. It's why Darrow and Bryan are not featured in the movie. It's why the movie is mostly fictionalized because if it wasn't? The movie wouldn't fit the vision of the Lawrence had in mind.
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The fact that it's a selfie, the douchebag smiles, the other guy holding up the spinach can of justice proudly, as if it were the stone in David's sling -- This shot perfectly encapsulates why Christians actually perform good deeds -- not to glorify God but to glorify their earthly selves and prove to the people around them how godly they are. It'd be perfect in a satire film about Christianity, but the fact that it's presented as a positive image makes my blood boil. I'm glad I read about this film instead of watching it. Just reading about the ending scene with the lesbian sister regretting her identity, the correlation between that identity and her impending death, the manner in which her character is utterly subverted by some creepy stranger and the stranger is the hero because he's a straight white man, I don't know how I'd react if I had actually been watching it. It's partly personal - coming to terms with my sexual and gender identity is what caused me to leave the faith in the first place - and reading about that shame, the shame I felt, being presented on screen as the right thing to feel just made me upset. Are there any films which try to reckon Christianity and LGBT concerns in a mature manner? I'm thinking like if there was the scene in Audacity where the main character is talking with the gay couple, and when he says he's Christian the couple goes "Oh, we're Christian too! Where do you go to church?  " Is there anything that shows the potential complications in the matter and truly tries to present it in a balanced way?
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Ye gods, I failed this thread. So it turns out that Dark Dungeons came out last year and is available for digital download for half the price to post in SA.
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It's also available to watch for free on the company's official Youtube page. This is apparently a cut version but it's still like 50 minutes, and it already covers the entire tract.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I looked more into the meaning of "Inherit the wind". It's a bit sad how Bryan- the champion of liberalism in his time- is now only remembered as a anti-evolution fanatic due to that movie. (but that's more of a subject for D&D http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/05/books/review/05lingeman.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 )
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Argue posted:It's also available to watch for free on the company's official Youtube page. This is apparently a cut version but it's still like 50 minutes, and it already covers the entire tract. Yeah, this aligns with my experiences of University LARP clubs.
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Nckdictator posted:It's a bit sad how Bryan- the champion of liberalism in his time- is now only remembered as a anti-evolution fanatic due to that movie. (but that's more of a subject for D&D http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/05/books/review/05lingeman.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 ) Bryan while a liberal for his day fell victim to the rise of progressive that he didnt agree with. Plus the whole show trial killing his rep. As a great !an.
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Dante Logos posted:Ye gods, I failed this thread. So it turns out that Dark Dungeons came out last year and is available for digital download for half the price to post in SA. There's no way this can be real. 1) It's more solidly made than Courageous. 2) The acting is only mildly bad. This has to be a parody of Christian films.
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It's an official adaptation of a totally sincere Chick tract (they actually got his permission and licensed it or whatever). However, the people who adapted it are... shall we say, less than sincere.
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I stumbled across a blog where someone reads through a terrible christian sf-f novel, it's pretty entertaining. http://www.pretty-terrible.com/2015/05/28/bad-life-decisions-make-me-read-theodore-beale/ 
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coyo7e posted:I stumbled across a blog where someone reads through a terrible christian sf-f novel, it's pretty entertaining. So is Jesus Halo now?
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Jesus is The Emperor of Mankind and Christopher thinks he's pretty cool.
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coyo7e posted:I stumbled across a blog where someone reads through a terrible christian sf-f novel, it's pretty entertaining. I'm pretty sure I tired to read this book once but failed.
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PassTheRemote posted:So is Jesus Halo now? edit: this "let's read" is pretty great, to be fair. Chapter 6 - "protagonist is tempted by totally-not-satan-we-gotta-reveal-this-poo poo-in-chapter-30 into breaking through the gates of heaven" (why yes, the gates are made of a pearl of great value)  followed by (in another chapter)  also spoilers: Jesus watches you masturbate - or watches your sex dreams - whatever, he'll still hold your hand a whole lot. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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coyo7e posted:I stumbled across a blog where someone reads through a terrible christian sf-f novel, it's pretty entertaining. This is written by Theodore Beale, aka Vox Day, the guy who was behind the recent Sad Puppies thing at the Hugo. If that doesn't mean anything to you, just know that is supports eugenics, is an explicit white supremacist, thinks that Malala Yousafzai should have been killed by the Taliban because educating women causes a decline in society, and once wrote, "If the definition of rape is stretched so far to include women who have not given consent, then I am absolutely a serial rapist."
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Are there any blatantly christian authors other than C.S. Lewis that aren't horrible people?
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G.K. Chesterton wasn't horrible, but his Father Brown character was even more insufferable than Sherlock Holmes and that's really saying something.
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Wapole Languray posted:Are there any blatantly christian authors other than C.S. Lewis that aren't horrible people? Probably most Western authors before the 20th century.
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Chairman Capone posted:This is written by Theodore Beale, aka Vox Day, the guy who was behind the recent Sad Puppies thing at the Hugo. If that doesn't mean anything to you, just know that is supports eugenics, is an explicit white supremacist, thinks that Malala Yousafzai should have been killed by the Taliban because educating women causes a decline in society, and once wrote, "If the definition of rape is stretched so far to include women who have not given consent, then I am absolutely a serial rapist."  What the gently caress. Why do so many SF & Fantasy authors have such a passion for being literal Dark Lords?Wapole Languray posted:Are there any blatantly christian authors other than C.S. Lewis that aren't horrible people? Tolkien? By the standards of his time, I mean.
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Luminous Obscurity posted:Tolkien? By the standards of his time, I mean. I don't remember Tolkien doing anything particularly dickish even by our standards. He was just an Oxford professor who wanted a quiet life after most of his friends got brutally slaughtered druing WWI.
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Samovar posted:G.K. Chesterton wasn't horrible, but his Father Brown character was even more insufferable than Sherlock Holmes and that's really saying something. This is admittedly not the fault of G.K. Chesterton in any way, but his cousin A.K. Chesterton was a literal fascist in the 1930s and later founded the National Front. There were actually a disproportionately high number of Catholics in the British fascist movement, but that's mainly because their program attacking the establishment appealed to Catholics and Irish who were marginalized. (For the same reason there were a disproportionately large number of women active in the movement too.)
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Wapole Languray posted:Are there any blatantly christian authors other than C.S. Lewis that aren't horrible people? "Other than C.S. Lewis"? Have you read That Hideous Strength? Straw atheists, straw feminists, straw everything Lewis doesn't like. I seem to remember (cannot find cites, so it could well be folk history) that Lewis was one of the people in the Inklings who was adamant about excluding women.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:"Other than C.S. Lewis"? Have you read That Hideous Strength? Straw atheists, straw feminists, straw everything Lewis doesn't like. I seem to remember (cannot find cites, so it could well be folk history) that Lewis was one of the people in the Inklings who was adamant about excluding women. He does end the Narnia series with one of the girls not getting to go to Heaven because of boys.
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C. S. Lewis said that it's morally correct to burn witches if you sincerely believe that witches exist. That's at least twice as bad as not giving health insurance benefits that cover birth control.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:"Other than C.S. Lewis"? Have you read That Hideous Strength? Straw atheists, straw feminists, straw everything Lewis doesn't like. He failed badly at making Major Hardcastle unlikable, I thought she was super-cool. Cigar-smoking lesbian badass? Sign me up 
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Samuel Clemens posted:Probably most Western authors before the 20th century. Also CS Lewis was profoundly scarred by war times, which apparently is largely why treacle and other poo poo is fetishized - when you're living on a ration of half-ounce of meat a week and one chocolate bar a month, it becomes a big deal I guess. Still don't like sweets and that poo poo always annoyed me as a kid.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:"Other than C.S. Lewis"? Have you read That Hideous Strength? Straw atheists, straw feminists, straw everything Lewis doesn't like. I seem to remember (cannot find cites, so it could well be folk history) that Lewis was one of the people in the Inklings who was adamant about excluding women. Pretty much. Tolkien was merely a sort-of cranky old man by comparison.
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Wapole Languray posted:Are there any blatantly christian authors other than C.S. Lewis that aren't horrible people? Dostoevsky
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